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Quote from: cryptoblazter on June 12, 2019, 08:28:35 AM

Quote from: izanagi narukami on June 12, 2019, 08:08:29 AM

Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !

Yes, I certainly agree with you that sometimes speculation is part of the complex trading processes here in cryptocurrency. The volatility of the prices of the coins, sometimes you can't do anything but to speculate. Technical analysis may fail espcially with the bearish trends.

the specifications are the same as gambling and I'm sure that won't last long, because we will experience defeat if done continuously. this usually happens when traders are afraid to take cutloss steps

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Quote from: izanagi narukami on June 12, 2019, 08:08:29 AM

Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !

Yes, I certainly agree with you that sometimes speculation is part of the complex trading processes here in cryptocurrency. The volatility of the prices of the coins, sometimes you can't do anything but to speculate. Technical analysis may fail espcially with the bearish trends.

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Sometimes, speculate is the only way to execute but only if it's emergency case.
In crypto, everything is totally unpredictable so analyzing the market is must because it's easier to obtain the profit if you can look the trend.
Yes, it isn't easy , Learning by doing is only the way !

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if not speculating is not a reliable trader, because speculation is very closely related to reliable traders.
and actually speculation is also the one that produces a lot of profits in trade.
without speculation the traders will not become rich Cheesy

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Quote from: BUK2016 on June 07, 2019, 01:54:58 PM

Since one is not certain in most cases as to where trend of the market will end or start another direction to some extent speculation cannot be separated from trading or trader's mind. Although, some people are of the believe that speculation is not different from gambling I don't blame them because they are entitled to their opinion.

Well to be honest some types of trading are gambling. Like the leveraged trading done on shitmex and other such sites and options/binary trading. They are even worse than gambling. I myself tell newbies to stay away from them and if they wish to trade then spot trading is the only thing to go for.

Speculation does happen in the market. This is the reason why such questions are being made. Some think its going up while others think the opposite. What you should remember is that nobody cares about what other traders say except the dumb ones. People are only manipulating others in social media so they can get the upper hand.

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Quote from: Kopyleft on February 15, 2019, 08:17:37 AM

Trading is a form of gambling, based on speculations using available tools, depending on your skills and also the element of luck, some believe it is more luck that skill, that would not account for the regular success of traders.
We can not deny the fact that the market is unpredictable, one can only give their best guess on it's direction.

Indeed, even though in trading, speculation can not be avoided. However, before we speculate, we must gather a lot of data to analyze. The results of the analysis are what we use to speculate. Of course there are still other things to consider such as money management.

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Quote from: Farma on May 21, 2019, 03:53:55 AM

Quote from: Rufsilf on May 21, 2019, 03:07:38 AM

I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.

speculation is important in the world of trade. with information, charts and more, we can make speculations, and possibilities that can occur in the future. although not 100%, I think that will be an important weapon of the world of commerce.

Most current traders consider this market a speculative market to make a big profit and they are only interested in making money. According to me, speculation is not bad but if this happens in the long term, this will affect the current market very much because they will sell when they reach the target and the value of that coin can decrease A very quick way if they hold a large number. I think speculators are in control of this market and they can decide the price increase of crypto at all times.

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Quote from: idham29 on June 06, 2019, 09:19:53 PM

Quote from: hyunee on May 21, 2019, 03:09:46 PM

Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.

Business is speculation, without it there is no challenge to get big profits because trade only runs flat. Entrepreneurs get rich because of speculation, meaning that the risks borne by the big are proportional to the profits obtained.
To trade crypto, the safest way to get a definite profit is to buy crypto then HODL until the price becomes expensive. For sale, then enjoy the profit. Being patient is the main factor because we don't know when prices will rise. That is the challenge.

This is very important advise I think and it is enough to make someone millionaire if he or she follows your advice. I bet you have been in the crypto for long and of course have made money in speculating these coins. OF course it is the risk that makes you money and if you are a risk taker, there are more chances that you will end up making money than losing it.

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Quote from: Aivaryamal on June 07, 2019, 09:37:36 AM

Traders do not speculate and earns both the fall and the growth of assets, not everyone will be able to cope with such activities, as it requires care, calculations, discipline and patience, this is not a niche where you can confidently buy a product and sell twice as expensive

I don't think so because some of us speculate about the price movements and they speculate because the market is unpredicted. But they don't always speculate if they can find the right price to buy or sell because they have a guide in what price to trade. Speculate will have a risk but it is worth to do because when our speculation is right, we can make a lot of profit.

On point and definitely a true thing yet we are on a speculative market which means we do really need to speculate in order to make some possible profits if the market would move in according on what we do predicted.

The only thing that matters here that our speculations do have corresponding analysis attached to it.It might be unpredictable but having some basis on what you are doing
is always been better.

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Since one is not certain in most cases as to where trend of the market will end or start another direction to some extent speculation cannot be separated from trading or trader's mind. Although, some people are of the believe that speculation is not different from gambling I don't blame them because they are entitled to their opinion.

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Quote from: Aivaryamal on June 07, 2019, 09:37:36 AM

Traders do not speculate and earns both the fall and the growth of assets, not everyone will be able to cope with such activities, as it requires care, calculations, discipline and patience, this is not a niche where you can confidently buy a product and sell twice as expensive

I don't think so because some of us speculate about the price movements and they speculate because the market is unpredicted. But they don't always speculate if they can find the right price to buy or sell because they have a guide in what price to trade. Speculate will have a risk but it is worth to do because when our speculation is right, we can make a lot of profit.

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Traders do not speculate and earns both the fall and the growth of assets, not everyone will be able to cope with such activities, as it requires care, calculations, discipline and patience, this is not a niche where you can confidently buy a product and sell twice as expensive

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Quote from: idham29 on June 06, 2019, 09:19:53 PM

Quote from: hyunee on May 21, 2019, 03:09:46 PM

Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.

Business is speculation, without it there is no challenge to get big profits because trade only runs flat. Entrepreneurs get rich because of speculation, meaning that the risks borne by the big are proportional to the profits obtained.
To trade crypto, the safest way to get a definite profit is to buy crypto then HODL until the price becomes expensive. For sale, then enjoy the profit. Being patient is the main factor because we don't know when prices will rise. That is the challenge.

I agree with that part that every business is speculation, trading is more speculating business from all others. Many times you do one thing, if its not good you try another and with deduction you find a solution, with trading you are always in trouble what to do next, what will price do, will it do the same as many times before or we will see some new type of swing.
In trading we don`t have what else to do, we speculate all the time with hope that we are right and that we will make some profit.

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Quote from: hyunee on May 21, 2019, 03:09:46 PM

Isn't it bitcoin reached this kind of price and isn't it that people made a lot of profits because of speculation? Dude, if nobody tried to speculate some things out of crytocurrency let's say bitcoin $100,000, nobody will hype the crowd and join cryptocurrency. We also need to speculate for hype. But, we need to understand that speculation comes with evidences.

Business is speculation, without it there is no challenge to get big profits because trade only runs flat. Entrepreneurs get rich because of speculation, meaning that the risks borne by the big are proportional to the profits obtained.
To trade crypto, the safest way to get a definite profit is to buy crypto then HODL until the price becomes expensive. For sale, then enjoy the profit. Being patient is the main factor because we don't know when prices will rise. That is the challenge.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on May 23, 2019, 03:26:44 AM

Speculating without clear references will turn you nothing but if you speculate that having a strong technical analysis and also references like graph reading in the previous market situation then, that isn't bad if you do that thing. Speculation is very important in trading but that is not just easy to do you have to study before you to speculate the market. The best thing to get more profit aside from speculation is the perfect timing while speculating if you have this then you've got a better profit, just do basic in trading buy in dip and sell in high price.

speculation is always an important weapon for trading. besides, speculation also allows you to combine accurate information, so that we can predict market prices that will occur in the future. I think without doing that, the risk in trading will be greater and may have the same risk as gambling.

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Speculating without clear references will turn you nothing but if you speculate that having a strong technical analysis and also references like graph reading in the previous market situation then, that isn't bad if you do that thing. Speculation is very important in trading but that is not just easy to do you have to study before you to speculate the market. The best thing to get more profit aside from speculation is the perfect timing while speculating if you have this then you've got a better profit, just do basic in trading buy in dip and sell in high price.

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Quote from: milewilda on May 21, 2019, 08:10:18 PM

Quote from: Shenzou on May 18, 2019, 08:43:39 PM

Quote from: twosum on February 14, 2019, 09:32:11 PM

No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

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There is nothing wrong with speculation, but don't just go throwing them around social media and forums, because people who are not that experienced with trading will see that and think that it is true and they go ahead and either sell or trade based on the those which will lead to losses, and that is basically what the big people and the influences do these days, they go around misleading people in an attempt of manipulate the market and change it to whatever is in their interest.

It always been part of the market where FUD and shills do circle around when the market either on bull or bearish run.Big players would tend out to make such false news to drive out the market
according to their plan.
About on not to speculate, i dont think this would possible.Why?with this kind of unpredictable market you cant really avoid not to speculate things basing on what you are seeing.
Or in short its an inevitable thing for you to do or would face up as a trader.

I don’t even see anything that wrong in joining them to even speculate in any direction we want the market to go. If we are a trader, there will be a point where we will wish that the market do dip for us to buy and at that point is when we also support majority of FUD news we see in the market.

In other to increase the tempo, we have to speculate in that direction too while another point after we have successfully bought the dip we want, we also join the other set of people to speculate in favor of uptrend, it is just in a 2 way thing, but this basically works more for a short term trader and not an intraday trader, because when will a day trader have all the time to do speculation other than rely on his technical analysis.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on May 21, 2019, 03:07:38 AM

I disagree, as far as I know even professional traders speculate, speculation plays a significant role in trading because if your are able to speculate accurately then you have high chances of getting profit. You can’t just trade without speculating because if you do then you might just lose.

Like they say, a successful business man is a good listener; they do more of listening than talking. This is also applicable to a professional trader, instead of speculating, why not leave the dirty work to people out there to do, while you just listen to what direction their opinion will move the market.

We all know that this crypto currency market, it is driven my speculation, and instead of joining them and making unnecessary noise all over the internet, one could just listen more and see which of the speculation is high, is it uptrend speculation or downtrend speculation, it is when you listen carefully that you will be able to determine what to do.

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Quote from: Shenzou on May 18, 2019, 08:43:39 PM

Quote from: twosum on February 14, 2019, 09:32:11 PM

No, don't speculate... that is what they always tell us but FOMO aside, what's the fun if there is no emotional speculation!

I feel we as traders could be considered as speculative consumers, and if that is partly the truth wouldn't it be cool if the digital asset that we are speculating on was something we had whole ownership of?

I am building a game inspired by trading crypto, in the form of digital racehorse ownership on the blockchain. Haven't you always wanted to own your own racehorse any way?

Come over an take a glimpse, any feedback is welcome. https://www.zed.run

Make sure you follow the hype by joining our Discord chat. https://discord.gg/sNgA5Zu

There is nothing wrong with speculation, but don't just go throwing them around social media and forums, because people who are not that experienced with trading will see that and think that it is true and they go ahead and either sell or trade based on the those which will lead to losses, and that is basically what the big people and the influences do these days, they go around misleading people in an attempt of manipulate the market and change it to whatever is in their interest.

It always been part of the market where FUD and shills do circle around when the market either on bull or bearish run.Big players would tend out to make such false news to drive out the market
according to their plan.
About on not to speculate, i dont think this would possible.Why?with this kind of unpredictable market you cant really avoid not to speculate things basing on what you are seeing.
Or in short its an inevitable thing for you to do or would face up as a trader.

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Quote from: bonker on May 21, 2019, 03:40:00 PM

In sometime speculation also needed for a trader to predict something and make the profit without going with any other decision we will definitely got confused at the end that's why I was speculation is needed for the trader to got success.

We all speculate because no one knows what would be the right/closer price in order for us to make a trade. But of course, speculating need some close evidence that would make us believe that it would be the best price in cryptocurrency since the volatility of the market is very strong that it changes at any minute.

Trading without speculating might not be a good idea and it might lead you to somewhere if you don't know how to speculate.

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