You could fuse the localbitcoins approach with an exchange, trading is more latent but works.
There are a few traders that make a pretty penny off of localbitcoins, but they risk serious consequences if they do not follow AML regulations to the "T" 
Topic: Transfer Fiat Currency Between Exchanges? (Read 1998 times)
remember this is a big reason as to why we use bitcoin.. so we can send money from anywhere to anywhere, that's why we swap fiat for it..
Yes but i guess the OP wants to do arbitrage, but its nearly impossible because of the time it takes to move money between exchanges.
I think it should be easier to move money between exchanges as well, I think it would benefit the exchanges too because of a larger volume and more arbitrage. It would be nice if the large exchanges allow users to transfer money between them, and the exchanges just swap IOUs with each other. That would mean near instant money transfer.
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The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it. One way to get around regulation is to have each exchange have bilateral deal.
Each one granting each other certain amount of fiat credit and settle it every few days. Then implement another portal on each exchange to grant user credit.
This will by pass all the AML rules in place and not really violating any existing rules.
It would be very difficult for an exchange to verify that when "Person A" is sending fiat to his own account at "exchange2" when he sends fiat to "exchange2"
You could fuse the localbitcoins approach with an exchange, trading is more latent but works.
Traditional order book.
BTC consumed by an order is held in escrow, purchasing entity has bank details provided to them automatically, sends funds, bitcoin released. Do the opposite at another site operating in the same way.
You could probably drop the latency to a few minutes in some cases.
This method assumes entire balance trades.
If you are only trading with a percentage of your stock then you can use caches at each exchange to perform this function easily, then balance your own books in a more latent fashion.
Example: 10 BTC and $5k on two exchanges. Sell 5 BTC on one for $3000. Buy 5 BTC for $2900 on the other. Balance on one exchange is 15 BTC and $2100. On the other 5 BTC and $8000. Not taking in to account fees. You've successfully arbitraged $100 profit. You can either wait until the arbitrage is available the other way, or swap balances in a traditional withdraw/deposit way.
Traditional order book.
BTC consumed by an order is held in escrow, purchasing entity has bank details provided to them automatically, sends funds, bitcoin released. Do the opposite at another site operating in the same way.
You could probably drop the latency to a few minutes in some cases.
This method assumes entire balance trades.
If you are only trading with a percentage of your stock then you can use caches at each exchange to perform this function easily, then balance your own books in a more latent fashion.
Example: 10 BTC and $5k on two exchanges. Sell 5 BTC on one for $3000. Buy 5 BTC for $2900 on the other. Balance on one exchange is 15 BTC and $2100. On the other 5 BTC and $8000. Not taking in to account fees. You've successfully arbitraged $100 profit. You can either wait until the arbitrage is available the other way, or swap balances in a traditional withdraw/deposit way.
Arbitrage is usually one way street. Market for bitcoin has been efficient, the condition for arbitrage don't appear that often.
You could fuse the localbitcoins approach with an exchange, trading is more latent but works.
Traditional order book.
BTC consumed by an order is held in escrow, purchasing entity has bank details provided to them automatically, sends funds, bitcoin released. Do the opposite at another site operating in the same way.
You could probably drop the latency to a few minutes in some cases.
This method assumes entire balance trades.
If you are only trading with a percentage of your stock then you can use caches at each exchange to perform this function easily, then balance your own books in a more latent fashion.
Example: 10 BTC and $5k on two exchanges. Sell 5 BTC on one for $3000. Buy 5 BTC for $2900 on the other. Balance on one exchange is 15 BTC and $2100. On the other 5 BTC and $8000. Not taking in to account fees. You've successfully arbitraged $100 profit. You can either wait until the arbitrage is available the other way, or swap balances in a traditional withdraw/deposit way.
Traditional order book.
BTC consumed by an order is held in escrow, purchasing entity has bank details provided to them automatically, sends funds, bitcoin released. Do the opposite at another site operating in the same way.
You could probably drop the latency to a few minutes in some cases.
This method assumes entire balance trades.
If you are only trading with a percentage of your stock then you can use caches at each exchange to perform this function easily, then balance your own books in a more latent fashion.
Example: 10 BTC and $5k on two exchanges. Sell 5 BTC on one for $3000. Buy 5 BTC for $2900 on the other. Balance on one exchange is 15 BTC and $2100. On the other 5 BTC and $8000. Not taking in to account fees. You've successfully arbitraged $100 profit. You can either wait until the arbitrage is available the other way, or swap balances in a traditional withdraw/deposit way.
The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it. One way to get around regulation is to have each exchange have bilateral deal.
Each one granting each other certain amount of fiat credit and settle it every few days. Then implement another portal on each exchange to grant user credit.
This will by pass all the AML rules in place and not really violating any existing rules.
It would be very difficult for an exchange to verify that when "Person A" is sending fiat to his own account at "exchange2" when he sends fiat to "exchange2"
Back in 2013 and before that was allowed by btc-e and other exchanges, they were accepting mtgox codes and viceversa but now with the regulation thats not allowed.
So transferring money between customer account is not allowed under AML?
Back in 2013 and before that was allowed by btc-e and other exchanges, they were accepting mtgox codes and viceversa but now with the regulation thats not allowed.
I don't get why it's a thread, one of the main selling points of Bitcoin for me is the very fact that you can't transfer fiat in this way easily; Bitcoins makes this super simple compared to any fiat transfer between third parties.
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The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it. One way to get around regulation is to have each exchange have bilateral deal.
Each one granting each other certain amount of fiat credit and settle it every few days. Then implement another portal on each exchange to grant user credit.
This will by pass all the AML rules in place and not really violating any existing rules.
It would be very difficult for an exchange to verify that when "Person A" is sending fiat to his own account at "exchange2" when he sends fiat to "exchange2"
The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it. One way to get around regulation is to have each exchange have bilateral deal.
Each one granting each other certain amount of fiat credit and settle it every few days. Then implement another portal on each exchange to grant user credit.
This will by pass all the AML rules in place and not really violating any existing rules.
Whil this is true in some countries but it's not true in all. Take Denmark for example, a country in EU that I was living for a year, although Pokerstars permit transfers of funds between accounts, there is not permited and I assume (I don't know for shure, but I imagine it's the same) they will not allow such thing. They have very strict police on money transmiting. Again, this is just my opinion on this, I don't know for shure and I may be wrong, but if you are right, in this way you could transmit fiat directly from Europe to China, America and anywere in the world bypassing all the banks and legislations.
It will work on country without blocked currency.
The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it. One way to get around regulation is to have each exchange have bilateral deal.
Each one granting each other certain amount of fiat credit and settle it every few days. Then implement another portal on each exchange to grant user credit.
This will by pass all the AML rules in place and not really violating any existing rules.
Whil this is true in some countries but it's not true in all. Take Denmark for example, a country in EU that I was living for a year, although Pokerstars permit transfers of funds between accounts, there is not permited and I assume (I don't know for shure, but I imagine it's the same) they will not allow such thing. They have very strict police on money transmiting. Again, this is just my opinion on this, I don't know for shure and I may be wrong, but if you are right, in this way you could transmit fiat directly from Europe to China, America and anywere in the world bypassing all the banks and legislations.
You're going to have to go to bank, and then transfer into the other exchange. Better off trying your luck and sending as crypto.
The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it. One way to get around regulation is to have each exchange have bilateral deal.
Each one granting each other certain amount of fiat credit and settle it every few days. Then implement another portal on each exchange to grant user credit.
This will by pass all the AML rules in place and not really violating any existing rules.
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The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
This is not necessarily the law, but rather would make it much more difficulty to do AML due diligence so much exchanges would likely prohibit it.
The exchanges will never allow transfers directly on another exchanges. They can't because of the law.
Exchanges can't to it due to the anti-money laundering laws.
Eaxactly. Even if they could the regulatory framework would make it a massive ball of red tape. In a perfect world we would be ablr to move our money the way we want to.
The most frictionless way would be to send it in the form of one of the crypto currencies then convert it back.
remember this is a big reason as to why we use bitcoin.. so we can send money from anywhere to anywhere, that's why we swap fiat for it..
Exchanges can't to it due to the anti-money laundering laws.
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Have you tried this?
AFAIK this would not be something that any exchanges allow
AFAIK this would not be something that any exchanges allow
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