Topic: Treat newbies right - Teach them and sell to them at the ATH - page 2. (Read 494 times)

I agree. I love to help new people here, under Porfirii's mask, whenever I can (unfortunately, less often than what I'd like), but when you consider teaching someone you know in "real life", you must be more cautious than here. Even in the countries where it is legal you can be inviting people to carry out taxable events without being aware.

I want to say something out of the box . That is never try to show up your kindness like this when your country does not support/accept crypto currency as legal. Otherwise most of the cases you will be in risk and the more people you teach the more risk behind you IMO.

Yes, that's right we all should teach newbies about bitcoin as well as the crypto. And I personally always favor to teach someone who don't know me and my real identity.

Newbies that have experience mentors are very lucky unlike some of us who learn through our own experiences in the cryptocurrency market, with lots of positive and also negative experiences within the space of learning. That not withstanding the past experience has made us who we are today and we can now confidently make crypto decision with less risk so newbies who came in through us don't have to go through what we have gone through and can and will make positive decision easily with our guide.

I was told to about Bitcoin by a stranger
, I had every reason not to believe him because I don't know this person, but his manner of approach and the way he made sure to tell me as many time during the conversation to do more research myself and if there was any thing I can contact him, this arouse my curiousness and excitement about Bitcoin, I did do my research and even went further than him I think, we are in contact and now he ask me what do I think about so Bitcoin news and I feel good about how steadily I have been going.
Well I have had opportunities to help -newbies- about Bitcoin and like I learn, I always tell them to man up and work on what I have giving them, then after some day I ask what they have come up with, this way I know their level of seriousness And capacity and know where I can come in again, I have also helped friends bought Bitcoin and they are starting to adopt it.

Thats life , you need to give to get so im sure if you help one person ro reach something and maybe that thing gonna change his life  you will get the same ,one day in another different circumstances you will need help and definitely you will find it , thats my conviction in life.

for the moment i dont have much experience in crypto or blockchain that allow me to teach people but if i get the chance one day i will help with anything i could,because i wouldnt be here without the help of other pros in the field , you did a great thing mr Darker45 by helping those two .

As far as my personal experience is concerned, friends become curious with Bitcoin because of the price. Along the way of discussing where and how to buy, where to keep it, how and where to do conversion, and so on, the question what is Bitcoin really suddenly pops out as if it is of secondary importance but shouldn't be left out as the talk proceeds or else everything seems hollow. Sadly, it is also where they find things a little boring because, as I've said, they came for the money. Seldom does one remain very attentive, vibrant, and still full of curiosity when the very basics of Bitcoin technicalities are being discussed.

As regards their interest to buy in relation to the best entry price, I don't recommend them a certain buying point. I'd rather present them with all the information and the possibilities and let them decide in the end.

Somebody asked for my assistance when Bitcoin started to conquer the 5-digit price once again around August or September. I told her that the price at that moment was higher than in the past weeks and months. I've also told here that Bitcoin's price is always rising and falling. And she asked me if it's good to just wait for the price to fall before buying. I said yes. That yes was justified, although it proved to be wrong because the price didn't really fell significantly since then. And even until now when it has already hit $40,000.

That's a nice story. It is truly a good feeling when you get someone in crypto especially during months where the market is going up lol.
I've had the opportunity to do it a few times and it just so happened that it was the right moment for everyone involved. Although I do regret not being more convincing about it some of these times so some of them wish they could have invested a bit more right now 
But at the end of the day, as I say to everyone, it's their money, their responsibility, and their choice.

I've been assisting people too.. I teach them how to trade and I sold to them at ATH too.
They never regret because the price have passed my selling price.

At the end of the day, they should still accept the responsibility that they are ultimately taking it into their own hands the moment they decide to trust your recommendation. You'll see a lot of users here recommend Coinbase, but it doesn't mean there hasn't been issues for certain users over the years. Doesn't mean the exchange is bad. Personally, I would tell them that there's two ways of trading, via an centralized exchange where you deal with a company, and you should do your research on the best for you. Alternatively, there's P2P exchanges which I'd explain the risks of that, but the potential of getting better deals. (not necessarily though)

I think its good to distinction between the difference of the two, and possibly the pros, and cons, but still encouraging them to do their own research on which type of exchange is best for them, and finally what exchange they choose (coinbase, localbitcoins etc).

On my side of things I want to teach my friends everything that I know in the crypto industry especially on Bitcoin but when it comes to the question with regards to buying or selling I ultimately avoid answering it and explain to them that this kind of decisions are supposed to be made by you. Why do I avoid it? Because I don't want my friend to blame me when it comes to him losing money because he followed what I said even if he/she doesn't blame me I will feel guilty that he/she had suffered a loss because of me. That is what I am trying to avoid I still say Do Your Own Research (DYOR) even on my friends because of it. Also I think this is better because in the long run they can be independent when it comes to buying and selling cryptocurrencies.

This is super common in any industry, and its my biggest gripe when learning a course through one of the learning resources like Udemy I've even caught University glossing over things which are pretty fundamental, and that stuff is peer reviewed. My recommendation when teaching someone is treat them like they are five years old, and describe every minor detail, in fact at the very beginning of their learning introducing them to complex, albeit major conceptions can actually be detrimental to their eagerness. Also, avoid using abbreviations, and jargon until they are considered intermediate. If you try learning a programming language this structure is somewhat important, but the best learning resources for me actually compared it to real life scenarios which you can relate to, and gradually introduced the jargon. This is especially important when it comes to Object Oriented Programming, such as important topic, which often requires real word examples for it to properly sink in.

I'll always have time for even the most mind numbingly frequently asked questions, because I remember what its like looking at Bitcoin, and thinking "What?". A newbie today, who keeps annoying you with boring, and repeated questions might some day become a part of the history of this forum through their contributions. Plus, sometimes it can be important going over these so called boring topics, because you might fill in a gap you didn't know existed in your knowledge, because explaining things to another person is a very useful learning tool. because lets face it most of us aren't experts at all, and are continuously learning.

I definitely agree. I consider myself far from an expert on the technology but was definitely brushing over small things in our discussion such as confirmations and blockchain explorers. What I did notice was as we discussed it further the questions became more focused and helped bridge the learning quicker. For instance getting across the idea that the wallet is more a portal to your assets than where they are actually stored.

Not sure if he put it into practice but this led me to suggest he play around with creating a wallet deleting the file and/or restoring it on another device or the same device. Then playing around with sending transactions to other addresses within their wallet. Then we got on a whole discussion about fees and fee selection and where to locate that information.

I always go out of my way to try and explain the value of the network aspect of Bitcoin, to bring them toward understanding the fundamental prospects rather than the economic 'gains' (though, who would deny that it plays a factor in adoption). As a Bitcoin user, there are a lot of implicit ideas that you already know as evident in the world, yet it's important to remember the basal ignorance of one's pre-coin knowledge.

Forget what the term is, but as you grow in experience with regard to a certain topic, you slowly forget the initial difficulty curve of having learned necessary concepts and falsely assume that it's just as easy for everyone as it is for you. Maybe related to 'fallacy of common sense'.

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This learned knowledge gives them the information necessary to make their subsequent choices: teach a man how the fishing industry works, not how to get a job fishing or where to fish.

So my title isn't false in any way but it's not the whole story. I recently had the opportunity to assist 2 people with their first time buys and holding plans. Each case ended differently but had similarities throughout. First was a coworker who had heard about it before but only considered it say August/September, the second a longtime friend who has heard me talk about it for years when we get together.

The overall similarities were funny as they both got serious-ish around the 12K price mark and then went radio silent on the subject during most of the recent run-up. The co-worker did buy himself a ledger as that's what made him most comfortable longterm, about a week before the data breach announcement. That was funny, either way I got him set up on a platform I use to buy sometimes so he could jump in whenever he was ready. Onboarding was nearly painless except his bank flagged his first transaction and was hold/blocking it without details being given to him or the recipient. Apart from that he got in for something around 32K and bought the dip at 28K - got lucky as he happened to be going into work and as a new holder was obsessively checking price.

Second friend is busier runs a company so when he got back in touch I said it would be fairly easy to get him crypto, but did he have a wallet downloaded yet. Obviously that was a no, but easily remedied as he had at least looked into Electrum as I suggested. So he took care of the install, then over a phone call I walked him through the features of the wallet and answered whatever questions still lingered. In the end he wanted to make his first purchase and I gave him the same platform option as the first guy and also offered to sell some of my coin. He put out a FIAT range and I chose the smallest denomination. This was last night around 39.5K.

I figured I'd share this story as I imagine a lot of you have been in or could be in a similar situation given the current climate. It can be tough not to get overly excited and/or let our opinions influence a newbies final decisions. For each of these people I gave them the same information about wallets and basic pros/cons lists. I also pointed them towards info for their own research. I made sure to point out the importance of protecting their seed phrases and back-ups, as well as making sure they are familiar with any recovery process. Then each time I demonstrated a transaction or some other functionality with them to get through that first hurdle. Finally we talked about price. In both cases they expect some sort of drop, but it hasn't happened yet so they wanted to start their first buy and will continue to grow their holdings over time. This made their journey easier for the moment as it was pretty much done, they know how to accumulate more and how to sell if they need/want.

TL;DR
You will likely have the opportunity to help a newbie. Each situation can and will be different but try to remember you should use your experience to help, but not influence. Everyone should get there in their own way, and you can help them do so in an informed and safe way.

Also I did introduce and sell a friend BTC at the ATH