Topic: Trezor AOPP Integration (Read 744 times)

I don't think Bromite will ever create any browser version for desktop operating system, not for Linux, Windows or Mac... they are focused only on mobile devices,
and even on their website they are claiming to be Chromium fork so I won't argue with that:
https://www.bromite.org/

Are you really so stuck with Mozilla even after they announced partnership with Meta aka Facebook for creating better ''privacy'' for users
It's time to move on from Firefox browser and use some forks, or maybe even creating something totally new.
Next thing we can expect from Mozilla is probably some new monster Frankenstein browser.

Let's get back to AOPP topic guys.
Any news for that or everyone abandoned the ship? 

Yup, I might have mistyped the "based" section, they seem to use those sources for their browser, even though I wasn't able to find an official confirmation of it though. It's shocking to see that so many browser engines went dead ever since the first conception of NCSA Mosaic engine. This website[1] really gives us a shocking overview of the current "era" for browser engines and, regarding Gecko, they do have this "interesting" entry:
You're also right - as of now no mention of a Linux release was made according to my research on their official media accounts/interviews. The same interview (from Verge) tells us that:
ItsFossNews[2] seems to support my findings since the report also claims that Linux users are still unsure if the browser will eventually be launched for them...

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[1]https://eylenburg.github.io/browser_engines.htm
[2]https://news.itsfoss.com/duckduckgo-desktop-browser/

I'm not sure it's fair to say it is "based on Chromium"; probably more accurate to say it's based on Blink for Windows or WebKit for Mac. Disappointing they aren't using Gecko, though. And if they are using OS provided rendering, then this probably also means it won't have a Linux release any time soon. And they will probably have very limited support for extensions such as uBlock Origin. So highly unlikely to tempt me away from my Firefox/Tor combo.

It does have an integrated adblocker, but you are also free to add and create your own custom list[1]. I've been using it for a while now (after using Firefox Nightly for a couple of months) and so far so good.

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According to a recent interview[2] from Allison Johnson - Senior Communications Manager at DDG - it's based on Chromium on a rendering level:

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[1]https://www.bromite.org/custom-filters
[2]https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/21/22848133/duckduckgo-browser-pc-mac-beta-privacy-default-settings

Anchor links can be very useful for websites with a lot of content because clicking on a button or an image takes you to that particular section of the page. I wonder in what parts of the Trezor Suite that would be needed? Maybe some sorts of explanations. When entering and dealing with transaction data, there isn't that much that needs to be entered.   

I just notice that Trezor pre-released new version of Trezor Suite app that can be installed if you opted-in and enabled their Early Access Program, and they removed AOPP already!
They listed removal of AOPP as improvement  and they also improved QR code support making them bigger, they improved navigation and made other minor improvements.
New features are Anchor links for highlighting specific section and new custom home screen:
https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/releases/tag/v22.2.1

Not entirely true... because DuckDuckGo have their own Privacy Browser for mobile devices, but I am not exactly sure if it is based on Chromium, on Mozilla Firefox, or on something else.
DDG mobile browser is not my favorite and I think there are much better options out there, at least for android phones.

I would like to clarify that you're still mixing up stuff: Chrome is a browser. DuckDuckGo is a search engine. You can obviously run Firefox browser with DDG as default search engine and if you feel you're not getting good results, do the occasional Google search. From within Firefox.
A browser is not bound to a specific search engine usually - and if it is, you probably should switch browser, seriously.

In fact, one of my favourite DDG features is that you can temporarily switch search engine just with some small edits to your search query.
For example, you can just type 'satoshi bitcointalk escrow !g' and it would redirect you to a google search of that term. Or, if you want to use Google search for a query, but with some sort of proxy in between, there is the '!sp' option (StartPage) which will basically give Google results without having to visit Google.

Even for other reasons it's pretty cool; e.g. you can usually append an i to search for images. 'random coin i want !spi' would search on StartPage for 'random coin i want'.

All of these 'bangs' can be found here.

While I'm not keeping my hopes up, it would be great if the community as a whole learned a lesson with this AOPP catastrophe; in that we all should have noticed the sneaky introduction of it and implementation into most (also many quite good) wallets and 'protested' back then and there. I'm not sure what exactly started the recent outrage, but it is clear it should have happened way earlier. Hopefully this will be a lesson and our 'response' will be much quicker in the future.

I think that Bromite browser, that is open source Chromium fork, has some integrated adblocker, it's not exactly UblockerOrigin but it get's the job done most of the time.
There is also DuckDuckGo Privacy Browser with their own ad-blocker but I don't like how it's working.
I can't speak much about iOS phones, and I think that apple messed up a lot of things in that front.

I'm sure they will try again with the exact same tool, but rebranded to "message signing UX streamlining" or something similar.

Only on Firefox on Android, as far as I am aware. Last time I checked mobile Chrome does not support any extensions at all.

It doesn't work on iOS since every browser on iOS is really just Safari in disguise and only allows the installation of Apple extensions. There are less good alternatives you can use on iOS.

There are some mobile browsers with ublockorigin integrated, but you can use something called Blokada5 for your phone, this is probably the best ad-blocker for Andoid smartphones.
Blocks ads and trackers in all apps/browsers, and you don't need to root or jailbreak your phone... best of all it's free open source app.
Don't forget to do your own research before installing anything on your phone:
https://blokada.org/

Great info thanks for sharing.  You're right I should just be using the browser inside of DDG or FF instead of using Chrome.  I guess I didn't think that there really was a difference, but this makes sense.



Thanks for the heads up.  I think I do a pretty good job of trying to avoid that kind of stuff, but I'm not Mr Robot and I'm sure I'm far from perfect.  Will be careful with this going forward.


Is this something that can be used on mobile? I will definitely download this for my laptop and desktop when I get home. 

I have been using uBlock origin for many years, so much that I mostly got used to browsing web without any ads, so recently I had to use one ''normal'' computer for a short time, and it was unbearable.
I really don't understand how people can watch youtube or browse website with all that shut popping out all the time.
As for internet search engines, DDG is not the only alternative for google bigbrother, you can try brave search, qwant, startpage, searx, and even yandex search is much better than Gsearch.
Imagine earning bitcoin sats while browing internet... maybe some smart developer can create alternative search engine like this.

Let's get back on topic with AOPP, and let me say that I am not sure how exactly initiated it's creation, but it's nothing more than signing a message and connecting it with person identity.
I think this bad idea is dead after reaction from people, but I am sure regulators will try again with some new ''revolutionary'' tool soon.

Regardless of which browser or search engine you use, there is no excuse for not using uBlock Origin which will completely remove these scammy ads. You'll find links for installation for Firefox, Chrome, Edge, Safari, and Opera on their sites below.

Website: https://ublockorigin.com/
GitHub: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

The only browser you shouldn't be using it on is Tor, unless you know what you are doing and understand the privacy risks which come alongside installing additional extensions to Tor. (Although it is worth pointing out that Tor on Tails comes bundled with uBlock Origin already installed, so as long as you leave it on default settings then you will still have a reasonably sized anonymity set.)

I would be careful with doing that. Google will gladly advertise phishing sites and display them on top of the search results with an ad notification next to the name. That practice has led people to lose their money or credentials by logging in to fake sites pretending to be legitimate ones. We have seen that with exchanges, software wallets, and other services relating to cryptocurrencies.   

Sure, I agree that DDG search results often aren't quite as good as Google's, but the Google search engine is quite distinct from the Chrome browser. No reason you can't use Google search on Firefox. And if you want to take it to the next level, then you can use something like https://www.startpage.com, which searches Google privately on your behalf and returns you the results without any tracking or other nonsense. I always use this when I'm looking for bitcointalk threads since I agree DDG just doesn't index them well at all. Or go a step further and use https://searx.me, which does the same thing of searching other search engines privately for you, but you can build a profile (or multiple different profiles) specifying which search engines to search.

Thanks for the info. Google is far better in quite a few ways but I’ll provide some examples. I’m a coin collector so when trying to search for coins by name, chrome will return FAR better/more efficient results than anything else. That includes just the normal search and the photo search option. Another example, I often share Satoshis smart contract escrow proposal thread from here. If you search “Satoshi bitcointalk escrow” on DDG it’s not even on the first page. Search for it on chrome and it comes up very first link. Just a couple examples. Believe me I don’t like using Chrome, but often it’s necessary. I mean there’s a reason it’s by far the most used browser right.

Genuine question: In what way is it better? I use Firefox and Tor. Obviously Tor has the usual drawbacks, speed issues, etc., but that is the price you pay for using Tor. Firefox, on the other hand, is both fast and secure and way less resource intensive than Chrome in my experience. Chrome seems to eat RAM like there's no tomorrow.

DuckDuckGo have a privacy focused browser app on both Android and iOS, and are currently working on a desktop version too.

And yeah, DDG probably is better than Firefox out-of-the-box, but Firefox provides far more customization and tweaking which allow you to make it very strong from a privacy point of the view if that is your goal, even on mobile versions. Or for desktop go with the LibreWolf fork of Firefox which has all these tweaks already implemented for you.

Firefox is an internet browser just like Google Chrome. DuckDuckGo is a search engine, like Google's search engine. The Chrome browser is faster, but that speed has privacy implications. If your anonymity is your #1 concern, Google Chrome and all Google services aren't the way to go to maintain that.

Appreciate the explanation. Was certainly not aware of any of this.



So it’s just all about better privacy? Isn’t DuckDuck Go better than Firefox just off the bat though? It’s great that these browsers are trying to do a good job of making things more private, but there’s a reason I still use chrome at times, it’s a million times better than anything else and it’s not even close. I just wish the others could catch up a little.

Unless they're getting paid to implement it, I don't think they'll have any reason to add a feature in secret. Who's going to use it if they don't know it exists?