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September 01, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
#50
I can't find any information if these devices the "case" and the trezor are waterproof in case we accidentally drop water on these devices. The "case" use fingerprint which makes it more secure?
I prefer both trezor and paper wallet(cheapest)

Trezor claims to be "water resistant" but not fully waterproof
Not sure about the Case, it has not been officially released yet
sr. member
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September 01, 2015, 09:25:16 AM
#49
I haven't used trezor or paper wallet but just by reading the feedback given to trezor i'll go with trezor. I hope to get one this Christmas Smiley
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September 01, 2015, 04:41:06 AM
#48
I prefer trezor.

me too i prefer trezor is best
legendary
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August 31, 2015, 06:20:02 PM
#47
why would i pay $99 for a thing that i might lose, when i can just print off a secure wallet.

When you set up your trezor, it displays a series of words that you can transcribe into a paper wallet.  If you lose the trezor (or it's damaged, etc), you can regenerate your wallet with the word list.

This destroys the "I lost my device" argument. But still, he's right, you can just print a paper wallet.

The reason I like Trezor is that private keys never leave the device. But accessing it's seed would be just as easy as accessing the private key of a paper wallet.

It's also a bit more convenient if you need access to cold storage frequently.
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August 31, 2015, 06:14:44 PM
#46
why would i pay $99 for a thing that i might lose, when i can just print off a secure wallet.

When you set up your trezor, it displays a series of words that you can transcribe into a paper wallet.  If you lose the trezor (or it's damaged, etc), you can regenerate your wallet with the word list.

The real value in the trezor is the ability to plug it into an untrusted PC and spend your bitcoin. 
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August 31, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
#45
why would i pay $99 for a thing that i might lose, when i can just print off a secure wallet.

You can lose the paper wallet too. You just have to be careful with the valuable things? It's not about these wallet but in general in your life.
I vote for trezor it is just phenomenal.
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August 31, 2015, 05:40:47 PM
#44
I prefer trezor.
useful to hold large amount.
but nothing sell in my country. Sad
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August 31, 2015, 05:30:33 PM
#43
why would i pay $99 for a thing that i might lose, when i can just print off a secure wallet.
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August 31, 2015, 02:05:18 PM
#42
for me (and my balance) paper wallet is better
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August 31, 2015, 01:48:51 PM
#41
you guys must be aware that newbies prefer pen wallets instead of paper for 100 years or trezor that im not totaly sure of what it is
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August 31, 2015, 01:42:27 PM
#40
A properly created paper wallet is at least as secure as a Trezor... for storage.  The problem with a paper wallet comes when you want to spend any of that coin.  The paper wallet must be converted back to digital, which is used to sign the transaction (ideally an off-line computer). 

If you're going to spend from the wallet, then a paper wallet can't really be considered a paper wallet, as it will spend some of its time on a computer.  That process is either A) easy to do or B) secure. It is not both.  Properly done (re-creating and securely wiping the PC in between uses), it can be safe.  But that's not easy to do.

Trezor simplifies the process dramatically.  Is Trezor as safe as a well done paper wallet?  Perhaps. Perhaps not. Time will tell.
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August 31, 2015, 01:35:29 PM
#39
I prefer Trezor over paper wallets for ease of use.
If it stops working you can still recover the btcs with the seed, if stolen it's protected by a PIN.
Comparison chart made by Trezor

www.choosecase.com seems more convenient but twice the price


I can't find any information if these devices the "case" and the trezor are waterproof in case we accidentally drop water on these devices. The "case" use fingerprint which makes it more secure?
I prefer both trezor and paper wallet(cheapest)
legendary
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August 31, 2015, 01:28:11 PM
#38
It is hard to spend money on a paper wallet.
I can't speak for the Trezor, but I love my Ledger. It offers more security than a regular software wallet and it's just as easy to use.

Well you won't spend anything on a paper wallet, just literally a paper and some ink. Just generate it offline, keep it in a secure place and you won't have to worry about spending actually.
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August 31, 2015, 12:51:08 PM
#37
So, how do you see the security of Trezor compared to the paper wallets?

Let's put aside for now a fact that it costs about 0.5 BTC to get one. That's not in my interest to discuss about, I would like to hear only about the security.

If you initialize the Trezor and write down your 24 word seed, you pretty much generated a paper wallet on a separate computer (the Trezor).  If you then put the Trezor and the seed into a safe (after extracting the master public key to your computer), you should have the same security as what you can get from a paper wallet if you follow all precautions.

Of course, you don't want to spend 100 $ to have a secure paper wallet generator.  The bonus of the Trezor is that you can spend from it and it is still secure.  With a paper wallet your keys may be compromised as soon as you import them back into your computer.

Security related bugs can always linger somewhere in the firmware.  The software bugs I have seen so far (they are all fixed in the latest firmware) required at least that you connected the device and entered the PIN, usually you also have to confirm an operation.   Also they required that your computer is compromised.  There is also the problem of physical theft and the PIN protection may be circumvented by hardware means.  However, in that sense it is much more secure than a paper wallet, which is completely compromised by physical theft (unless you use a passphrase, which you can use for Trezor, too).
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August 31, 2015, 10:49:33 AM
#36
I have just read this morning a thread about safely printing paper wallets. It came to my mind how come nobody mentions Trezor as an alternative.

So, how do you see the security of Trezor compared to the paper wallets?

Let's put aside for now a fact that it costs about 0.5 BTC to get one. That's not in my interest to discuss about, I would like to hear only about the security.

you can find an overview about hardware wallets here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-bitcoin-hardware-wallets-secure-your-coins-899253
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August 31, 2015, 10:31:04 AM
#35
Hello,

I like to use paper wallet.
I think is very simple to make a paper waller and keep your bitcoins safe.
I hope to hear as many opinions.
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August 31, 2015, 09:44:44 AM
#34
Maybe I'm confused but if you have less than 10 bitcoin, what is the point of not just putting on Blockchain.info?  I mean is it really worth it for that small of an amount, time the possibly of being hacked worth it for such a small figure?

Not sure if you're trolling but I personally wouldn't trust any of my bitcoin to blockchain.info. Their blockexplorer slowed to a halt during the recent stress test and was vulnerable to spoofed transactions until it was exposed a few weeks ago. It's also generally not a good idea to keep many bitcoins in a hot wallet of any kind: mobile, online or desktop.

It's really not that hard to create and use paper wallets and costs next to nothing if you have a printer as has been pointed out countless times in this thread.
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August 31, 2015, 09:15:17 AM
#33
While I do agree that Trezor has far more security than paper wallets, I'd still choose paper wallets because it's much more cheaper than a Trezor. Nevertheless, when I have enough money, I would buy myself a Trezor  Roll Eyes
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August 31, 2015, 09:10:13 AM
#32
Trezor is better than paper wallet. After some time, let say 8 - 10 years, you can change Trezor to one one, because of risk from parts damage from daily use.  Grin
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August 31, 2015, 08:34:49 AM
#31
It is hard to spend money on a paper wallet.
I can't speak for the Trezor, but I love my Ledger. It offers more security than a regular software wallet and it's just as easy to use.
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