[TROLL-UKKAKE] People who argue with trolls on technical matters are suspicious - page 2.

Wind_FURY

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Carlton, https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/01/27/disinformation-part-1-how-trolls-control-an-internet-forum/

Go to "forum sliding" and "inoculating the public against the truth".

I believe everyone who knows more than me about Bitcoin should join in, and spread as much correct information as possible in the forum.

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 26, 2019, 02:46:57 PM

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I certainly don't perform "astro-turfing"

that's exactly what an astro-turfer would say! Cheesy

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i usually left the discussion when the troll start going off-topic, insulting other member (where as few others decide to respond with insult) or bring another point which i already discussed previously.

And if i want to do "astro-turfing", i could do it by correcting every single statement which made by people who don't know about technical topics at all which is far easier.

indeed, you contribute all over the forum. one could make the argument that I am a former astro-turfer/troll-bukkaker covering my tracks, as I used to engage trolls too much, if only to identify them as such

@WindFURY and @DooMAD exist seemingly only to talk to the trolls though. They barely make any other posts.

Well , it is apparent that WindFURY and DooMAD and Bob123 are the same person,
you're just figuring that out.

Is that what you resort to to make people believe you?

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 26, 2019, 11:33:19 AM

Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.

we could call them troll orgies, or maybe troll-bukkake? Cheesy

In this thread, Anonymint & Zin-Zang take a shit in WindFURY's mouth, WINDFury burps and says 'thankyou, more please!!!'

Anonymint and Zin-Zang?

pooya87

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i don't think leaving trolls alone to spread their misleading nonsense without at least one response is such a good idea, specially when their comments are reported they aren't being removed by mods, or maybe they are in that grey area where you can't just brand them as trolls.
but at the same time feeding the trolls is not a good idea either. they have a way of sucking you into a long discussion without any conclusions.

maybe a balance must be reached, where you don't get sucked in while still not letting them mislead.

YOSHIE

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 26, 2019, 11:15:35 AM

What is the difference between BCT users who argue with technical trolls.

Everyone has pros and cons, in taking a different view, there is no one to obstruct the exercise of personal rights.
One thing that you need to learn.
All you can do is accept mooting or articulating, their character for debate, as a Troll.
I have often seen many troll debates on topics in this forum.

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Just because someone has a different opinion from you, that doesn't mean that they are trolls, so PLEASE we can stop lying to this word about willy-nilly. Have courage in your beliefs, stand up for what you say.

Many people say debate, pleasure in discussion for a long time, but most people do it,
I'm sure many are wrong from your point of view "clearly" but have to think before you issue a Troll card.

Carlton Banks

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I certainly don't perform "astro-turfing"

that's exactly what an astro-turfer would say! Cheesy

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i usually left the discussion when the troll start going off-topic, insulting other member (where as few others decide to respond with insult) or bring another point which i already discussed previously.

And if i want to do "astro-turfing", i could do it by correcting every single statement which made by people who don't know about technical topics at all which is far easier.

indeed, you contribute all over the forum. one could make the argument that I am a former astro-turfer/troll-bukkaker covering my tracks, as I used to engage trolls too much, if only to identify them as such

@WindFURY and @DooMAD exist seemingly only to talk to the trolls though. They barely make any other posts.

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 26, 2019, 11:33:19 AM

Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.

we could call them troll orgies, or maybe troll-bukkake? Cheesy

In this thread, Anonymint & Zin-Zang take a shit in WindFURY's mouth, WINDFury burps and says 'thankyou, more please!!!'

nutildah

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 26, 2019, 11:24:30 AM

this is really a rhetorical point I'm making, but maybe it will spark a discussion

but certain users should be singled out for this behaviour, notably:

@WindFURY

@DooMAD

I'm actually a fan of these users. I think WindFURY honestly enjoys provoking anti-Core people, and I enjoy watching him. Let's face it: I have to pick the word "Core" there because that's the part about bitcoin that infuriates their adversaries, like franky1 and khaos77, the most. DooMAD seems honest to me about his intentions and beliefs. I don't think they are part of some plot to keep the debate alive, they just enjoy the sparring.

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@pooya87

This guy more comes across as an average user who channels his liferage through the forum. I think he's harmless.

Carlton Banks

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(for the record, pooya87 and ETFBitcoin actually do make contributions to the forum in addition to entertaining trolls)

Carlton Banks

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@DooMAD

don't you think that when your account is 99% arguing with trolls, it makes you look like a fake?

i.e. you're only here to keep the trolling alive, not to stop it?

Quote from: DooMAD on August 26, 2019, 11:54:21 AM

I [snip] can't see how you win a debate by only letting the opponent speak

edit: "sometimes, the only winning move is not to play"

DooMAD

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Leave no FUD unchallenged

Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 26, 2019, 11:24:30 AM

So, would you like to explain your own personal answers to this question?

I'm a "vigilance over complacency" kind of guy and can't see how you win a debate by only letting the opponent speak, which they will clearly continue doing. Who knows? Maybe they do genuinely believe what they're saying. It's really difficult to tell. But I'm going to err on the side of caution and presume it's malicious (as I can understand you are doing in this topic). It looks to me like an ongoing propaganda campaign by determined disinformation agents. I just don't see how ignoring the problem and allowing the less experienced forum denizens to be mislead helps anything. False narratives need to be challenged.

PrimeNumber7

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It is very difficult to say with certainty that someone is a “troll” in the technical section. If someone is making a point, and it hasn’t been refuted, their point should be refuted. I don’t think there is a need to beat a dead horse so to speak if they don’t agree after having their points refuted.

Frankly, I don’t think the “trolls” you are referring to are very convincing, nor do they make strong points.

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 26, 2019, 11:20:32 AM

You should defend your viewpoint/stance and others who are looking can come to their own conclusions.

what's with the "should" part?

I am defending my stance so that others can come to their own conclusions: in this thread, that you posted in Huh

NeuroticFish

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Heh, I gracefully avoided that thread, exactly because I was expecting yet another "WindFury vs Franky1 show" that will bring nothing new.

Carlton Banks

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this is really a rhetorical point I'm making, but maybe it will spark a discussion

but certain users should be singled out for this behaviour, notably:

@WindFURY

@DooMAD

@ETFBitcoin

@pooya87

(perhaps other notorious users have been left out, I'll add later if I think of them)

So, would you like to explain your own personal answers to this question?

PrimeNumber7

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People have the right to have their own opinions on technical matters. Just because you believe something is the best way to achieve something doesn’t mean that someone who disagrees with you wrong. You should defend your viewpoint/stance and others who are looking can come to their own conclusions.

Carlton Banks

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Question:

What is the difference between BCT users who argue with technical trolls

and

"astro-turfing" users who are actually working with the trolls to make it appear like there's still a legitimate argument taking place

Example: Segwit thread on Discussion sub

Answer:

Not much

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