Topic: Trump Election Results Speech: Here Are All The False Claims - page 2. (Read 352 times)

Allegations of fraud that would shift the amount of votes needed to change the outcome are almost impossible to prove or gather evidence for so it won't hold up in court.  Its basically a conspiracy theory. 

Will this not all get appealed to the supreme court? Or if the local courts feel there is no grounds for considering a case does it just get shelved there and then with no route to supreme? RG is a high profile lawyer isn't he? Wouldn't be pushing this if he knew there was zero evidence to corroborate ? I don't know much about the legal system.

I mean ruling the observers should be permitted closer to the counters now won't help them see that which they previously missed observing closely enough?

Surely everything contested will need to be counted again under tighter scrutiny.

I don't care which wins that much but surely everything must be observably and unquestionably and strictly by the rules.
This is a closely run and rather important event right?

This shit happens everytime recently. How can this process be so sloppy and open to such abuse?

Who ever wins should do so fair and square.
The numbers are super close in some states.

There are some rumors about Trump TV. They have some Youtube channel, or something on Facebook, I don't recall, but they're planning to do a "real" TV channel.


The court system is not having it.

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/05/931699984/trump-launches-broad-legal-gambit-paired-with-public-doubt-raising-on-results



All they've achieved so far was for the observers to get closer to vote counters in Philly, which didn't really stop votes for Biden from being counted.

In the court system.

You might want to re examine your  opinions.

I am unsure what would be a bigger embarrassment for Trump within his capacity as current president of the USA:

- getting cut-off mid-speech on major television news networks because of him effectively lying and news anchors either saying so openly or at the very least alluding to it

or

- Republican party officials telling Trump that he should gracefully concede defeat and stop acting like a spoilt brat

I'm so sick and tired of Trump said something and immediately you have the supposed to be unbiased anchor saying, "This is a lie." It's sickening. Let the guy talk. Trump says that they have been hearing stories of this and that. Immediately, "This is a lie..." Just let the guy talk and let things evolve.

No, it's a good article. Clear, concise and brimful of facts. But you don't have to take the Guardian as the source... cracks are appearing in the ranks, Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger (Illinois) has just tweeted advising Trump to "STOP Spreading debunked misinformation... This is getting insane." https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1324503564891414528

Meanwhile, at the last count (as of 27 August), Trump has made 22,247 false or misleading claims in 1,316 days in office (obviously this will have increased somewhat over the couple of months since then). The next question, I suppose, is that once he's no longer a figure in prominent public office, and his Twitter account is no longer invulnerable, will he be banned instead of just having all his posts tagged?

I'm no fan of Trump, and whilst I think he's a bit of a low-watt bulb, there's no disputing that he's a fantastically skilled demagogue. Just wondering what might happen if he loses his primary avenue of communication...

Still diligently working at the propaganda desk, I see.

But your best efforts won't matter.

These issues are in the court system.

It will take the proper action in the courts for Trump to stop this Biden threat. If Trump really has the evidence that he says he has, it will be good-bye for a whole bunch of people in Government. They'll be behind bars or executed for treason. So, you can expect them to fight for their lives, like cornered rats.

The point for the rest of us is, we need to personally come out and stand up against the average people aligned with the criminal Swamp people. Some of it will have to be done with guns, since the police forces and the military aren't stepping in to shut down the riots.

When this happens, we will find out FOR REAL how many Biden supporters exist out there. The Antifa Islam-cell-like jokers are ready for war, even though there are relatively few of them. What are we going to do? Let ourselves be take hostage by a bunch of one-world government jokers who want to make slaves of us all? Or will we live free, upholding the principles of our Founding Fathers who fought to be free.


Biden Campaign Threatens to 'Escort Trespassers From the White House'

don't forget the most disgusting reason about the democrats they represent foreign racism and greed against america, and biden is their stupid and senile old white man.

LOL! The biggest fact is that Biden barely had anybody coming to his rallies. And when he DID speak in public, he was so mentally mixed up, that he often didn't make any sense at all.

But Trump had millions coming to his rallies all over the place. You can see it for both these guys if you simply look at the rally videos, or go to the people in the areas where the rallies were held and find out for yourself.

The point? Biden lost. If it looks like he won, it has to be lies. People don't suddenly support a joker that they wouldn't even come to the rallies for. The OP is playing with your mind.

democrats represent nothing more than foreign greed jealousy racism and hate, against americans

thats why they elected a foolish and stupid and traiterous old white man into power.

i wouldn't mind if trump steals the election, and establishes a military dictatorship like in the middle east.

the democrats are immoral, they can go to hell and i am saying that a someone from germany

hopefully americans will be able to free themselves from those traiterous fools.

@JollyGood few of his own party members have spoken against him because of his misleading statements on the election, and his sons have tweeted in sheer desperation that he’s not getting any support from the party. Furthermore his live telecast too had to be cut off due to the misinformation that he was spreading, and this shows that America is uniting against his misleading statements.

Sources:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8919791/Republicans-slam-Trumps-claim-massive-conspiracy-Democrats-media-big-money.html

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/politics/trump-twitter-speech-biden-2020-election-results-count-pennsylvania-michigan-nevada-arizona-covid-giuliani-1.50058436

https://www.rappler.com/world/us-canada/us-media-cut-off-call-out-trump-election-fraud-lies-live-tv-presidential-election-2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/06/trump-biden-election-live-updates/

Here is an interesting article debunking the fake news (oh the irony) and propaganda spread by Trump: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/donald-trumps-speech-all-the-false-claims

I would say it is clear Trump did increase his vote significantly from 2016, the Democrat voters came out to ensure Biden would get elected and Trump is using every tactic in the book to hold on to power.


#1 - "WE HAVE SO MUCH EVIDENCE"

Trump: “We’re hearing stories that are horror stories … We think there is going to be a lot of litigation because we have so much evidence and so much proof.”

The Facts: Trump has produced no evidence of systemic problems in voting or counting. In fact the ballot-counting process across the country has been running smoothly for the most part, even with the US in the throes of the coronavirus pandemic.

One of his main complaints – that counting spilled over past election day – is meritless. No presidential election has had all the votes counted the same day, and there is no law or even expectation that it should be the case. The surge in mailed ballots and the high turnout have made the process slower than usual in some, but not all, cases.



#2 - "PENNSYLVANIA"

Trump: “In Pennsylvania partisan Democrats have allowed ballots in the state to be received three days after the election and we think much more than that and they are counting those without any postmarks or any identification whatsoever.”

The Facts: The state supreme court, not “partisan Democrats”, ordered that ballots filled out before the end of election day could be received up to three days later and still be counted. The US supreme court examined the case and did not stand in the way of the three-day timeframe but may review the matter later. A number of other states have also made accommodations for the additional mailed ballots.

Trump: “Pennsylvania Democrats have gone to the state supreme court to try and ban our election observers … They don’t want anybody in there. They don’t want anybody watching them while they are counting the ballots.”

The Facts: That is false. The president is wholly misrepresenting the court case. No one tried to ban poll watchers representing each side and Democrats did not try to stop Republican representatives from being able to observe the process.

The main issue was how close observers representing the parties could get to election workers who are processing mail-in ballots. The Trump campaign sued to let observers to get closer than the guidelines had allowed. A court ruled in favour of that request.



#3 - "MICHIGAN"

Trump: “Our campaign has been denied access to observe any counting in Detroit.”

The Facts: That is false. Absentee ballots were counted at a downtown convention centre where 134 counting boards were set up. Each party was allowed one poll watcher per board, said the city clerk, Janice Winfrey. She was not aware of any Republican poll watchers being removed but noted some had been “very aggressive, trying to intimidate the poll workers and processors”.

Mark Brewer, former chairman of the Michigan Democratic party, said he was inside the convention centre and access was cut off to some people from both sides at one point because of capacity restrictions related to the pandemic.



#4 - "GEORGIA"

Trump: “The election apparatus in Georgia is run by Democrats.”

The Facts: False. The state’s elections are overseen by a Republican – the secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger.

Trump: “The 11th Circuit ruled that in Georgia the votes have to be in by election day, that they should be in by election day. And they weren’t. Votes are coming in after election day.”

The Facts: Although the court ruled that votes must be in by 7pm election day for them to count, an exception was made for ballots from US military forces serving overseas. Those can be received until 5pm on Friday and still count. Election officials in Georgia are still counting votes but they are votes that have been lawfully received.



#5 - "LEGALITY OF VOTES"

Trump: “If you count the legal votes, I easily win. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us.”

The Facts: This is baseless. Neither Trump’s campaign aides nor election officials have identified substantial numbers of “illegal” votes, much less the big numbers it would take to ruin an easy win by Trump. He frequently speaks as if mail-in voting is illegitimate. But it has been done in accordance with state voting rules, in some cases adapted by officials to help voters get through the pandemic safely.

Trump: “We were winning all the key locations, by a lot actually.” (Complaining that underhanded activity sapped his leads in important races.)

The Facts: The change in fortunes he speaks about is explained by the nature of vote counting in the states – not by any sudden surge of malfeasance.

Often, big cities are slower to report their numbers, and those big-city votes tend to skew Democratic. Likewise, states tend to count mail-in ballots at the end of the process. That portion of the vote has tended to favour Biden, because Trump had told his supporters to avoid mail-in voting, and to vote in person either early or on election day. This explains why Trump finished election night with leads in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Georgia, among the states most in play, then saw his advantage begin to fray by Wednesday and afterwards.