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Quote from: muffinbiller on April 27, 2017, 09:05:04 PM

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I do not like anyone more than anyone , because everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses.

I could agree with that statement. But you should remember that Obama's strength was in playing golf, and not in administration. On the other hand, Trump's strength lies in his independent nature.

Well, it seems Trump is pretty fond of a little golf himself. Not so easy to track because his aides obscure the fact he frequently plays:
http://www.ajc.com/lifestyles/presidential-golf-tracker-obama-333-trump/UTQsQk7WKGDE2ANyDsMklM/

Still has a ways to go, but if he keeps it up, he might eclipse him in just one term Wink

And we won't even talk about the fact that, in his first 100 days, he spent more weekends staying at an actual golf course instead of the White House. And not Camp David or one of the free presidential retreats, but no, his own golf resort, at tax payers expense, which he then profits from because he never divested his assets. also, it's extraordinarily expensive to protect him in something as insecure as a golf resort, New York is struggling to pay for protection for the First Family at Trump Tower. We are hemorrhaging money here, people, yet we are talking about saving money through budget cuts to vital programs/offices.

So when he gets bored of doing bigly things, we all pay for him to go play golf. Which he literally, actually pockets, because he owns the golf course.

But you know, Obama playing golf an average of once every 8.8 days is certainly a cool talking point, no?

BTW, for Trump it's 1 in 5.9 days Wink

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Quote from: JGoRed on May 08, 2017, 05:22:42 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 05, 2017, 04:30:37 PM

If Congress ever gets the guts to stand up to the President, they can override most of everything that he does. The reason why they don't is, their people won't elect them next time if they oppose what the people want >>> what the president does.

Well, yea; if the people elect Trump and congress decides to try to stop him then they won't be re-elected. Regardless, however, they do seem to be trying to stop him. A lot :/

If Congress is going to find substantiated proof that nothing bad will happen. It would be much worse if Lawmakers will find evidence and keep silence about it. Let me remind you that the investigation is carried out into the relations with Russia, and this is the main enemy of the security of America.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 05, 2017, 04:30:37 PM

If Congress ever gets the guts to stand up to the President, they can override most of everything that he does. The reason why they don't is, their people won't elect them next time if they oppose what the people want >>> what the president does.

Well, yea; if the people elect Trump and congress decides to try to stop him then they won't be re-elected. Regardless, however, they do seem to be trying to stop him. A lot :/

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Quote from: kodes88 on May 08, 2017, 02:17:52 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2017, 11:15:27 PM

Quote from: kodes88 on April 30, 2017, 02:42:48 AM

Why should we judge this? Even Trump has just begun to lead. Trump has not been 1 year leading the United States, while Obama led the United States for 2 periods. If you really want to compare Trump and Obama, this is not the time, wait until Trump leads even longer, at least up to 1 period. So the performance can we value in total.

I somewhat agree, but then Trump has already started working on so many of his campaign promises. He has appointed a conservative to fill the vacancy left by the late judge Scalia. So far, he is doing good.

Yes indeed, Trump works well so far. But I think it's unfair to judge who is better among them, while the amount of time they work is still very different. I think Obama also works pretty well. The United States voted Obama as president twice, meaning the United States was satisfied with Obama's performance in the first period.

I'm sure that if the US could run for a third term, Obama would have won. Trump already lower rating than Obama after two terms. My opinion of course Obama is better than Trump.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2017, 11:15:27 PM

Quote from: kodes88 on April 30, 2017, 02:42:48 AM

Why should we judge this? Even Trump has just begun to lead. Trump has not been 1 year leading the United States, while Obama led the United States for 2 periods. If you really want to compare Trump and Obama, this is not the time, wait until Trump leads even longer, at least up to 1 period. So the performance can we value in total.

I somewhat agree, but then Trump has already started working on so many of his campaign promises. He has appointed a conservative to fill the vacancy left by the late judge Scalia. So far, he is doing good.

Yes indeed, Trump works well so far. But I think it's unfair to judge who is better among them, while the amount of time they work is still very different. I think Obama also works pretty well. The United States voted Obama as president twice, meaning the United States was satisfied with Obama's performance in the first period.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 08, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

Quote from: muffinbiller on April 27, 2017, 09:05:04 PM

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I do not like anyone more than anyone , because everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses.

I could agree with that statement. But you should remember that Obama's strength was in playing golf, and not in administration. On the other hand, Trump's strength lies in his independent nature.

Why do you think that Trump as an independent? First anyone who has money depends on them. Secondly, we have not waited for the end of the investigation on the fact of cooperation Trump or his team with the Russian. The third Trump is lobbying the interests of defense companies, and this dependence.

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Quote from: muffinbiller on April 27, 2017, 09:05:04 PM

Yes Or No
And Why

I do not like anyone more than anyone , because everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses.

I could agree with that statement. But you should remember that Obama's strength was in playing golf, and not in administration. On the other hand, Trump's strength lies in his independent nature.

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Quote from: muffinbiller on April 27, 2017, 09:05:04 PM

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I do not like anyone more than anyone , because everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses.

All people have strengths and weaknesses. It is for this reason chief not the President, and his team. I like Obama, but he was too tolerant towards the enemies of America. I think that's wrong. Trump and his team seems foolish. Hope that I'm wrong.

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Quote from: muffinbiller on April 27, 2017, 09:05:04 PM

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I do not like anyone more than anyone , because everyone will have their strengths and weaknesses.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 05, 2017, 04:30:37 PM

Quote from: Lieldoryn on May 05, 2017, 02:23:17 PM

Quote from: DrPepperJC on May 05, 2017, 02:07:22 PM

Quote from: Lieldoryn on May 05, 2017, 02:23:17 PM

Trump is better than Obama. Because, the current American President is Donald Trump and Trump is a vigorous figure.

Unfortunately Obama was smart, but weak President. He tried to reason peacefully and this contributed to the fact that the enemies of America lost to not fear. Trump is stupid, but he is able to act. His determination is the only positive quality he has.

It seems to me that America's Ivan will now take a different path. The citizens of the United States therefore chose the tramp to make America's international policy more tough, because because of Obama's actions, the image of the United States of America is somewhat dimmed.

Do you believe that the image of a brilliant graduate University is worse than the image of the mentally retarded old cowboy? Actually I am far from thinking that Trump will decide on the action. I think that if it America will guide Congress and the Senate.

If Congress ever gets the guts to stand up to the President, they can override most of everything that he does. The reason why they don't is, their people won't elect them next time if they oppose what the people want >>> what the president does.

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I agree with Bad and Liel wholeheartedly. And I have to add, is inaction by the GOP (the party under the microscope at the moment) just as bad as acquiescence? Elections are coming up soon. If they just go with the flow as far as some of Trumps more unpopular policies (healthcare, for example), will they get reelected by an angry constituency?

I have the feeling the GOP will be largely underrepresented by 2020. I think people are starting to see that they like free shit from the government, and that if that comes with regulations, meh. I never understood the anti welfare/ social assistance rhetoric, as alot of the low income Republican voting base uses these programs to survive. There would be alot more people affected if SNAP was dissolved in rural american vs urban America, because more people use SNAP in rural areas. Same with healthcare. But the rhetoric is damned good apparently, since Reagan.

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Quote from: DrPepperJC on May 05, 2017, 02:07:22 PM

Quote from: DrPepperJC on May 05, 2017, 02:07:22 PM

Trump is better than Obama. Because, the current American President is Donald Trump and Trump is a vigorous figure.

Unfortunately Obama was smart, but weak President. He tried to reason peacefully and this contributed to the fact that the enemies of America lost to not fear. Trump is stupid, but he is able to act. His determination is the only positive quality he has.

It seems to me that America's Ivan will now take a different path. The citizens of the United States therefore chose the tramp to make America's international policy more tough, because because of Obama's actions, the image of the United States of America is somewhat dimmed.

Do you believe that the image of a brilliant graduate University is worse than the image of the mentally retarded old cowboy? Actually I am far from thinking that Trump will decide on the action. I think that if it America will guide Congress and the Senate.

If Congress ever gets the guts to stand up to the President, they can override most of everything that he does. The reason why they don't is, their people won't elect them next time if they oppose what the people want >>> what the president does.

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Trump is better than Obama. Because, the current American President is Donald Trump and Trump is a vigorous figure.

Unfortunately Obama was smart, but weak President. He tried to reason peacefully and this contributed to the fact that the enemies of America lost to not fear. Trump is stupid, but he is able to act. His determination is the only positive quality he has.

It seems to me that America's Ivan will now take a different path. The citizens of the United States therefore chose the tramp to make America's international policy more tough, because because of Obama's actions, the image of the United States of America is somewhat dimmed.

Do you believe that the image of a brilliant graduate University is worse than the image of the mentally retarded old cowboy? Actually I am far from thinking that Trump will decide on the action. I think that if it America will guide Congress and the Senate.

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Trump is better than Obama. Because, the current American President is Donald Trump and Trump is a vigorous figure.

Unfortunately Obama was smart, but weak President. He tried to reason peacefully and this contributed to the fact that the enemies of America lost to not fear. Trump is stupid, but he is able to act. His determination is the only positive quality he has.

It seems to me that America's Ivan will now take a different path. The citizens of the United States therefore chose the tramp to make America's international policy more tough, because because of Obama's actions, the image of the United States of America is somewhat dimmed.

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