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I can see that there are many people right here who are against Kurds.
But you probably have short memory and you forget that Kurds where protected Syria from ISIS and they had captured around 1k terrorists in their region (which are now free thanks to Trump and Erdogan of course).

The kurds deserve most of the credit in seizing Mosul from Isis a couple years ago and were also a big help in overthrowing Saddam Hussein.

Trump is now saying the Kurds might be intentionally freeing isis prisoners.  I doubt this is true, but we can expect the US to accept no responsibility in all the Isis prisoners that were freed.

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I can see that there are many people right here who are against Kurds.
But you probably have short memory and you forget that Kurds where protected Syria from ISIS and they had captured around 1k terrorists in their region (which are now free thanks to Trump and Erdogan of course).
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Just saw some new posts on Youtube saying that some Kurdish cities have flipped over to the control of the Syrian army. Still haven't seen the larger networks confirm this though.

The Kurds basically gave up these cities they control in exchange for survival. So, at least with these areas, it's the Syrian army the Turkish will have to fight with. Guess the Kurds realized they can't handle this on their own.
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Trump has to throw a bone to the democrats to calm them down. Not everybody can see this in Turkey but even if that's the case It is really not an elegant move to throw threats randomly to another NATO member.

Trump is lucky though, Erdogan is an opportunist who easily forgets what he said 5 minues ago and pretends like it never happened. Just like their president, the Turkish people also forget quite easily. Today they hate USA, next day who knows...

Trump is doing exactly as he promised in his election campaign, withdrawing from Syria and cleaning the mess Obama, Clinton and the others before them created in the Middle East.

And while doing that, a good businessman he is, asks the Turks, "You want to fight? Fine, but use our weapons. Not fucking Russian!"

You can almost explain everything happening in Syria with your last quote. You can see Senator Linsey Graham's words, changing his opinion depending on who he is talking to.
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Trump has to throw a bone to the democrats to calm them down. Not everybody can see this in Turkey but even if that's the case It is really not an elegant move to throw threats randomly to another NATO member.

Trump is lucky though, Erdogan is an opportunist who easily forgets what he said 5 minues ago and pretends like it never happened. Just like their president, the Turkish people also forget quite easily. Today they hate USA, next day who knows...

Trump is doing exactly as he promised in his election campaign, withdrawing from Syria and cleaning the mess Obama, Clinton and the others before them created in the Middle East.

And while doing that, a good businessman he is, asks the Turks, "You want to fight? Fine, but use our weapons. Not fucking Russian!"
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As a Turkish person, I have to keep up with the latest news regarding this. So far, it has to be the best proxy war (not counting the Vietnam War though) I've seen so far in history. Latest news tell that US has ordered and I quote from CNN "Trump Orders Remaining U.S. Troops Out of Northern Syria" and then about the same time "US is deconflicting with Russia to keep both sides safe" and this all happens Russia is radio silent according to the news whether it be Turkish, Syrian, Russian, US, Independent etc. I believe there are some undercurrents here between the countries, all of them.

Are you in Turkey now?  Would def be interested in how the US being portrayed in Turkish media and anything else you  think might be interesting that we aren't getting over here.


Short answer: It's complicated.

Long answer: Heavily depends on what he is saying, PKK has been a globally recognised terrorist group for a long time. His sudden decision to arm and fund them to fight with ISIS was met with backlash in Turkey. After several years their sudden decision to withdraw everything US have was fairly interesting. Trump's tweets creates a huge sensation in Turkey. His latest tweet regarding crushing Turkeys economy kinda made everyone furious but overall neutral?

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I love the kurds, especially the anticaptialists in Rojava.  They have established a system that could end capitalism if it spreads and so I knew it was a matter of time before some major governments were influen$ed to take them out. 

With that said, this should be none of the US business.  We need to stay out of the region and its not a problem for us back home if Russia and Iran are handling things there.  We need to get out of the other 6 countries as well.  Good job pulling out.
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As a Turkish person, I have to keep up with the latest news regarding this. So far, it has to be the best proxy war (not counting the Vietnam War though) I've seen so far in history. Latest news tell that US has ordered and I quote from CNN "Trump Orders Remaining U.S. Troops Out of Northern Syria" and then about the same time "US is deconflicting with Russia to keep both sides safe" and this all happens Russia is radio silent according to the news whether it be Turkish, Syrian, Russian, US, Independent etc. I believe there are some undercurrents here between the countries, all of them.

Are you in Turkey now?  Would def be interested in how the US being portrayed in Turkish media and anything else you  think might be interesting that we aren't getting over here.
legendary
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As a Turkish person, I have to keep up with the latest news regarding this. So far, it has to be the best proxy war (not counting the Vietnam War though) I've seen so far in history. Latest news tell that US has ordered and I quote from CNN "Trump Orders Remaining U.S. Troops Out of Northern Syria" and then about the same time "US is deconflicting with Russia to keep both sides safe" and this all happens Russia is radio silent according to the news whether it be Turkish, Syrian, Russian, US, Independent etc. I believe there are some undercurrents here between the countries, all of them.
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This isn't true in the least.
It is true. I fail to see your counter arguments proving how its false.,,,
He does not need to prove your assertions are false.

You didn't provide any proof your assertions were true, that's your job to do.

Particularly with wild politically biased assertions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UFxDlfz6sE
At the 46th second, The president of the United States of America admits (twice), PKK which is a terrorist organisation, worked with the US.

Here is which countries and organisations list PKK as a terrorist organisation:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan,[33] and the European Union. However, the United Nations and countries such as Switzerland, China, India, Russia and Egypt, have not designated the PKK as a terrorist organization.

And I thought the United States never negotiate with the Terrorists. Haha. They weren't negotiating at all bruh, they were in the same bed already! (maybe somebody will try to twist this as a good thing)

The same USA also sells weapons to Turkey.

I bet you'll want proof for that assertion too. I'll make your job easy for this time only, Turkey is a NATO member.
I'm good with your response. Thanks.

FYI I'm no advocate for the actions of Turkey, really was just noting the state of the argument.
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How long are we supposed to hold everyone's hand ?  

Our special forces are there training their units. We teach them and arm them. How much more do they need ?


I can't figure out the actual strength or numbers of the Kurds being attacked.

Turkey has the second most powerful military in Nato.  So... I imagine they would need a lot more help.  It's not just the US giving handouts to the Kurds though.  It's been a mutually beneficial relationship for a long time.  At least, with some of the Kurds...it's really complicated and I haven't really figured out what's up with all the different types of kurds and their allegiances.

It seems like things have gotten really bad over the past 24 hours.  

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BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Kurdish-led administration in northern Syria said 785 foreigners affiliated with Islamic State managed to escape a camp where they were being held following Turkish shelling on Sunday.

In an apparent reference to Turkish-backed Syrian rebels, the administration said in a statement that “mercenaries” had attacked the camp where “Daesh elements” - a reference to Islamic State - in turn attacked camp guards and opened the gates.




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How long are we supposed to hold everyone's hand ?   

Our special forces are there training their units. We teach them and arm them. How much more do they need ?
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Who knows, maybe this is what Trump wanted from the very beginning. Pull out in a graceful manner, then trouble breaks out then US gets a reason for coming back in. That fulfills some of his promises (scaling down operations abroad that is costing the US money) while at the same time it can be used as bargaining chip with Turkey.

Or, they already done a "deal" with Turkey. That area of the world is just a freakin mess, would have been just easier to carve out a territory for the Kurds. All the borders in that region are artificial anyway and didn't considered geography and ethnic distribution. The Allies just drew lines on the map.
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This isn't true in the least.
It is true. I fail to see your counter arguments proving how its false.,,,
He does not need to prove your assertions are false.

You didn't provide any proof your assertions were true, that's your job to do.

Particularly with wild politically biased assertions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UFxDlfz6sE
At the 46th second, The president of the United States of America admits (twice), PKK which is a terrorist organisation, worked with the US.

Here is which countries and organisations list PKK as a terrorist organisation:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan,[33] and the European Union. However, the United Nations and countries such as Switzerland, China, India, Russia and Egypt, have not designated the PKK as a terrorist organization.

And I thought the United States never negotiate with the Terrorists. Haha. They weren't negotiating at all bruh, they were in the same bed already! (maybe somebody will try to twist this as a good thing)

The same USA also sells weapons to Turkey.

I bet you'll want proof for that assertion too. I'll make your job easy for this time only, Turkey is a NATO member.


Do the KPP side with Asad and Russia, or are they just a bunch of independent trouble makers, or did Turkey get NATO to declare them terrorists out of spite?

They aren't included with the Kurds that helped America overthrow Sadam and fight Isis, right? 

This stuff is confusing.
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Jake Morphonios Explains Why CIA Is Backing the Kurds in Syria



Jake Morphonios explains what’s behind the current conflict between Kurds and Turkey. This is complex and involves numerous strategic zigzags, but stick with Jake on this and you will be rewarded with a clear understanding of what’s going on in Syria and what to expect in the future. –GEG


CIA Strategy of Backing Syrian Kurds Explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFO6nIo1yc




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legendary
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^^^ So, now we see why Trump is having so much trouble. The last 4 or 5 decades of Presidents got the US into this mess. Trump has to get us out gracefully. He is doing magnificently in his first term. Vote him another term to finish the job.

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legendary
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This isn't true in the least.
It is true. I fail to see your counter arguments proving how its false.,,,
He does not need to prove your assertions are false.

You didn't provide any proof your assertions were true, that's your job to do.

Particularly with wild politically biased assertions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UFxDlfz6sE
At the 46th second, The president of the United States of America admits (twice), PKK which is a terrorist organisation, worked with the US.

Here is which countries and organisations list PKK as a terrorist organisation:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan,[33] and the European Union. However, the United Nations and countries such as Switzerland, China, India, Russia and Egypt, have not designated the PKK as a terrorist organization.

And I thought the United States never negotiate with the Terrorists. Haha. They weren't negotiating at all bruh, they were in the same bed already! (maybe somebody will try to twist this as a good thing)

The same USA also sells weapons to Turkey.

I bet you'll want proof for that assertion too. I'll make your job easy for this time only, Turkey is a NATO member.
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No nukes necessary.


Trump: "I Will Totally Destroy And Obliterate" The Turkish Economy If Erdogan Breaks ...



In another salvo of sweets sent about 20 minutes after the last round, Trump insists that "I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I've done before!)" if Erdogan does anything "off limits" - presumably implying that there will be some punishment if Erdogan attacks the Kurds.



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    As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...
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legendary
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I don't really know why Trump is doing what he is doing, but here is what I think.

Let's get out of policing the world. We have enough trouble at home that needs taking care of. If we need wars, let's do it economically, through tariffs. Bring our boys and girls home rather than killing them off in useless battles that never end. If we need to get rid of some (for example) Islamic country, nuke them off the face... and be done with it.

America is strong. We don't have to make America strong again. What we need is to show that America is strong, by setting our foot down, rather than pussyfooting around with other countries and playing war games over them.


Critics Aghast As Trump Keeps Word About No More Wars



How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we can't even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?

Conservatives like me still think of ourselves as hawks, but after hard experience we have learned to be hawkish only where America's interests are directly at stake. We're not doves. We're just not going to spill our troops' blood when we do not absolutely have to. The elite may not like our attitude, but then it's generally not the elite that ends up having to bury its sons, daughters, husbands and wives. We do.

I generally like the Kurds. I generally dislike the Turks. But they've been killing each other for a long time and no one has yet offered a sufficient reason why America should stick its troops in the crossfire between them. We hear words like "betrayal" tossed around, often by people whose track record re: honor is (charitably) lacking, but that assumes America had a say in this latest round ramping up. If the Turks are intent on invading, a firm "No" from the Oval office is not going to stop a battalion of Leopard tanks. If you want to stop them, you have to be prepared to stop them. That means war, and the president – along with millions of us – say "No thanks."


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Trump hasn't started a new war (yet), so I guess he is keeping his word.  Has nothing to do with him moving less than 1% of the American troops stationed in Syria though.

Remember last December when he said we were completely pulling out of Syria?  “They’re all coming back and they’re coming back now”.  He didn't pull out then, and he's not pulling out now.

Also, Turkey would not be attacking northern Syria if we didn't move 50-100 troops out of the area.  So the "we didn't want to be stuck in the cross fire" argument is not valid.
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