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legendary
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Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.


Stop telling 3rd world people some bullshit lies.
China is the nr. 1 producer of renewable energy.
There are more then enough studies that say china will have peak energy consumption in the next few years.
China is placed rank 56 or something re co2 emission per capita.
The industry nations could take an example from china in this regard.

 yes.  Let's every country over-populate to reduce our per capita emissions; take the lesson from China.


Even if this is sarcasm it makes no sense.

Majority of chinese are farmers that produce pretty much zero emmisions.
Emission per capita is important and a good indicator.


 Don't worry.  You'll figure it out someday sarcasm or otherwise.


Well if you tried to look smart or something similiar you miserably failed.

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Ah and i already quoted your post. No reason to delete it. ^^"

  I tend to react sometimes and later realize there is no point in arguing which is why I deleted the post.  It wasn't the first post I deleted and it wont be the last.  I failed in that I didn't delete it quickly enough and now I feel compelled to continue a ridiculous argument.

 Firstly, I would like to point out to you that sarcasm need not be ironic (it appears you weren't aware of that).

 Secondly, there is absolutely no reason to take lessons from China about CO2 emissions; if you look at the ratio of GDP to carbon dioxide emissions you will see that China ranks #175 in the world.  Seems like they need a lesson in efficiency! Their low emissions per capita is only achievable due to their crushing over-population consisting of mostly impoverished subsistence farmers who derive little or no benefit from China's CO2 emissions.



"Even if" means it could be but doesn't have to. If that is not the meaning feel free to explain me that phrase please.
Your intentions were not clear for me that is why i wrote it like that.


You just repeated what i said (china has a lot of farmers with zero emission). Do you expect me to not know what i just told you?

Lets talk about some points:

1. You realize there is a difference between a developing and an industry nation?

2. The learning was regarding their energy mix which has the highest % of renewable energy in the world and they want to increase it further to shut down nuclear and coal plants.
For a fucking developing nation which 20-30 years ago was a 3rd world nation that is more then incredible.

3. Point 2 directly means that when the farmers with zero emission start the urbanisation process they will use energy primarily from renewable sources with close to zero emission.

Edit:
One source:

http://www.pbl.nl/en/publications/trends-in-global-co2-emissions-2016-report
legendary
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It has to do with the level of industrialization. A 2 year old is allowed to shit on the carpet, a 20 year old not. If you want to prevent certain countries from passing through industrialization then you have to offer them tech etc to do that.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/06/china-trump-paris-facts

What prevented these countries from going through the industrialization phase a few decades back? Now it is too late to allow any sort of industrial pollution and it doesn't matter whether these countries are industrialized or not.

This unfortunately can't be the case Sad as nation's tackle new industries, they go through growing pains that involve the environmental impact of the new industry and the regulations that will rush to fill the void. Simply producing infrastructure, say a major road installation, would require sooo much concrete and rebar to be manufactured. There is no clean way to make stuff like this; essentially, 'humanization' will always have an environmental impact. They can't stay pre industrial forever, so increased carbon footprint is essentially an inevitability of modernization. Unless you would have them remain primitive, eventually, industrialization and increased population will start to take its toll on the environment. These acords sought to address that; by setting proportional targets, nations could do what the they can to help the issue; the global effort by all state actors would have made a paradigm shift to move.the entire world towards more sustainable energy technologies.

Now, we will remain behind in this, and our reluctance to honor such an important agreement, that we helmed, will com into play down the line. We lost bargaining power, this will come up again when we sit down to negotiate something equally important. America bitched up, behind pating a tab. The richest nation of them all.

And the rest of the free world will embrace these technologies, just like bitcoin and China, while we languish with some goddamed coal.

Maybe we can sell coal to Syria and Nicaragua.
legendary
Activity: 3808
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Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.


Stop telling 3rd world people some bullshit lies.
China is the nr. 1 producer of renewable energy.
There are more then enough studies that say china will have peak energy consumption in the next few years.
China is placed rank 56 or something re co2 emission per capita.
The industry nations could take an example from china in this regard.

 yes.  Let's every country over-populate to reduce our per capita emissions; take the lesson from China.


Even if this is sarcasm it makes no sense.

Majority of chinese are farmers that produce pretty much zero emmisions.
Emission per capita is important and a good indicator.


 Don't worry.  You'll figure it out someday sarcasm or otherwise.


Well if you tried to look smart or something similiar you miserably failed.

/Edit
Ah and i already quoted your post. No reason to delete it. ^^"

  I tend to react sometimes and later realize there is no point in arguing which is why I deleted the post.  It wasn't the first post I deleted and it wont be the last.  I failed in that I didn't delete it quickly enough and now I feel compelled to continue a ridiculous argument.

 Firstly, I would like to point out to you that sarcasm need not be ironic (it appears you weren't aware of that).

 Secondly, there is absolutely no reason to take lessons from China about CO2 emissions; if you look at the ratio of GDP to carbon dioxide emissions you will see that China ranks #175 in the world.  Seems like they need a lesson in efficiency! Their low emissions per capita is only achievable due to their crushing over-population consisting of mostly impoverished subsistence farmers who derive little or no benefit from China's CO2 emissions.

legendary
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It has to do with the level of industrialization. A 2 year old is allowed to shit on the carpet, a 20 year old not. If you want to prevent certain countries from passing through industrialization then you have to offer them tech etc to do that.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/06/china-trump-paris-facts

What prevented these countries from going through the industrialization phase a few decades back? Now it is too late to allow any sort of industrial pollution and it doesn't matter whether these countries are industrialized or not.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
Climate deals only last as long as a president stays in power, unless they get 3-4 terms in the USA only binding obligations will ever change that outcome. That said regardless of whether they are in or not in aggregate everyone suffers from the greenhouse effect, and cancer near the production locations. I say plant more trees so we can farm them later ^^.
full member
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First Disclosure before you attack me as Trump supporter!

I don't like liberals like Trump! So no I'm not a Trump supporter! I don't like Trump or Hillary another nut-case liberal freedom hater!

But I think any global accords are bad for humans on this planet so pulling out is fantastic! So I support it. What do you think?

PS: My country is a liberal freedom hater-crap hole, that is a Hillary lover, but all I have is to complain like about Trump for example, not that is will do any good every year I loose more and more freedom and am more regulated in my third world country.

Tackling global warming is not bad for humans on this planet, it is doing nothing that is bad for us. Trump has essentially made a mockery of the United States and did enough damage that it will take generations to fix. You might not feel the effects but your children and grandchildren will be suffering from this madness.
legendary
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This issue with global warming is so tiring, pollution is very bad for the atmosphere and for human beings as well, These accords are not binding and there is no way to enforce it and it seems to be just a joke and I don't think it's going to work.

It is not so much the nature of the accord, than the fact that we broke the accord. We were the foremost voice on this; we dragged out negations and for us to suddenly walk away from the table is kind of weak. We lead by example; abandoning a piece of global legislature, so broad that only two countries disagreed, simply does not make sense. If the current administration were serious about environmental preservation, wouldn't the US walking away from something of this magnitude dissuade other nations to doing so? And the taling points on how it was a 'bad deal' for Americans is bullshit. We can prop up fucking coal, but we just turned our back on a better planet. and 100,000 more green energy jobs?

Bigly.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.


Stop telling 3rd world people some bullshit lies.
China is the nr. 1 producer of renewable energy.
There are more then enough studies that say china will have peak energy consumption in the next few years.
China is placed rank 56 or something re co2 emission per capita.
The industry nations could take an example from china in this regard.

 yes.  Let's every country over-populate to reduce our per capita emissions; take the lesson from China.


Even if this is sarcasm it makes no sense.

Majority of chinese are farmers that produce pretty much zero emmisions.
Emission per capita is important and a good indicator.


 Don't worry.  You'll figure it out someday sarcasm or otherwise.


Well if you tried to look smart or something similiar you miserably failed.

/Edit
Ah and i already quoted your post. No reason to delete it. ^^"
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.


Stop telling 3rd world people some bullshit lies.
China is the nr. 1 producer of renewable energy.
There are more then enough studies that say china will have peak energy consumption in the next few years.
China is placed rank 56 or something re co2 emission per capita.
The industry nations could take an example from china in this regard.

 yes.  Let's every country over-populate to reduce our per capita emissions; take the lesson from China.


Even if this is sarcasm it makes no sense.

Majority of chinese are farmers that produce pretty much zero emmisions.
Emission per capita is important and a good indicator.
legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 7912
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.


Stop telling 3rd world people some bullshit lies.
China is the nr. 1 producer of renewable energy.
There are more then enough studies that say china will have peak energy consumption in the next few years.
China is placed rank 56 or something re co2 emission per capita.
The industry nations could take an example from china in this regard.

 yes.  Let's every country over-populate to reduce our per capita emissions; take the lesson from China.
legendary
Activity: 2464
Merit: 1145
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden. 
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.


Stop telling 3rd world people some bullshit lies.
China is the nr. 1 producer of renewable energy.
There are more then enough studies that say china will have peak energy consumption in the next few years.
China is placed rank 56 or something re co2 emission per capita.
The industry nations could take an example from china in this regard.
sr. member
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This issue with global warming is so tiring, pollution is very bad for the atmosphere and for human beings as well, These accords are not binding and there is no way to enforce it and it seems to be just a joke and I don't think it's going to work.
sr. member
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Trump tries to protect miners, but the coal industry employs about 70,000 people. It's less than one, and many retailers in America. Very stupid goal. Trump is actually working against America, but he is a fool and can't hurt on a global scale. Since 2007, when there was a shale technology, they are gradually wiping out oil, gas and coal. The era of oil is over. That is why the Arabs are armed and that the weapon directed against American interests.
sr. member
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Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden.  
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.

It has to do with the level of industrialization. A 2 year old is allowed to shit on the carpet, a 20 year old not. If you want to prevent certain countries from passing through industrialization then you have to offer them tech etc to do that.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/06/china-trump-paris-facts

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But here's the reality: In the Paris agreement, China, for the first time, set a date at which it expects its climate emissions will "peak," or finally begin to taper downward: around 2030. That goal came about after the US and China finally brokered a landmark bilateral climate deal in 2014 to work together. China has always argued it's unfair for developed countries—who have already enjoyed the economic growth that comes with spewing carbon into the atmosphere—to curtail the growth of developing countries like China. So getting China to agree to "peaking" emissions was a major diplomatic break-through that turned out to be the secret sauce the world needed to come together in Paris.

The president's view of China is outdated. Here's what Trump left out:

China is already ahead of schedule. As we reported in March 2016, Chinese emissions may have actually peaked in 2014, and if those emissions didn't peak in 2014, researchers say, they definitely will by 2025, years ahead of China's official 2030 goal. Chinese coal consumption dropped 3.7 percent in 2015, marking two years in a row that coal use in the country declined. That meant 2015 was the first year in 15 years that carbon emissions dropped in China, according to the World Resources Institute.

China is far surpassing the US on investment to create clean energy jobs. In February, China announced that it would spent $361 billion over the next couple of years to create 13 million green jobs, according to the country's National Energy Administration.

China is winning on clean energy technology. In 2016, a Chinese firm topped a global ranking for wind energy production for the first time, beating America's General Electric. China leads the world in solar energy production—and has done so for some time. (Go inside one of the world's biggest solar manufacturing plants with me, here.)

This year China is slated to launch the world's biggest national carbon trading market—stitching together seven pilot carbon trading markets which have been up and running since 2013.

China overtook the US as the world's biggest market for electric vehicles in 2015—and has a big plans for expansion. "We are convinced China will become the leading market for electro-mobility," said Volkswagen brand chief Herbert Diess at a recent Shanghai car show.

China is on track to practically own African development, a product of toxic U.S. policies, many of which have yet to come to light.

I consider China a country that could become potentially a problem, but there is no match for the problems that the U.S. has created and is creating through moronic policies built to protect very narrow interests.
legendary
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Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden.  
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".

That still doesn't address the main concern. Right now, most of the burden is on the United States and the European Union. China and countries such as Saudi Arabia are not required to make much sacrifices. The agreement needs to be modified, to make it palatable to all.
legendary
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...Even Ivanka already knows that Trump out of his mind.
Bah.

Made up political horseshit.

Here's another point of view.

All he did was fulfill a campaign promise.

So blame the people like me, who voted for him.

Well, I guess he has to take the opportunity when he can to fulfill a promise. After all, the Republicans in congress are not being very cooperative with other items on his agenda. I'll be shocked if they ever pass a decent infrastructure bill. That's one of the few promises that he made that I could really get behind.

As for Ivanka, nice try, but I personally have no clue why the Trumps are trying to win over the LGBTQ community. Milo is definitely the exception and not the rule.  Cheesy
legendary
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...Even Ivanka already knows that Trump out of his mind.
Bah.

Made up political horseshit.

Here's another point of view.

All he did was fulfill a campaign promise.

So blame the people like me, who voted for him.
sr. member
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Trump did the right thing. Other nations such as Saudi Arabia and China are causing more pollution (on a per capita basis), and still the burden of reducing the climate change is falling on just the western nations and Japan. Everyone has to share the burden.  
Before you sing the praises of this idiot Trump remember that to date only two countries have not signed the Paris agreement — Syria and Nicaragua. Russia, Iran and the DPRK has not yet ratified it. Barack Obama, who has put his signature under the Paris agreement, declare today, June 1, because of Trump's "the United States joined the handful of countries that reject the future".
Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner tried to persuade the President not to withdraw from the Paris agreement. But they did not succeed. During his speech, Donald trump in the Rose garden, Ivanka and Jared were absent. Even Ivanka already knows that Trump out of his mind.
sr. member
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Another big news: Elon is also honoring his word and departing Trump's presidential councils.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-leaving-trump-advisory-councils-following-paris-agreement-withdrawal/

I think this decision of Trump was a very dangerous one and it will cause massive fractures among all Americans and the American companies which were against it.

Pissing off the biggest business owners in the US ain't the brightest idea.

That is distorting the issue.

Credible scientists are in agreement that CO2 is causing a problem, and that burning coal etc is accelerating the problem, and that humanity and other life forms on earth are going to be living in a different environment soon as a result.

The "big business owners" fall into two groups.

a) Trump type business owners, who are willing to sacrifice their children's planet for the sake of temporary financial gain

and

b) more responsible business owners who are willing to adapt and/or give up a little profit to minimize the damage done.

People who distort the issue, for their own short term benefit, are not even serving themselves much less anybody else's interests.
legendary
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Another big news: Elon is also honoring his word and departing Trump's presidential councils.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/01/elon-musk-leaving-trump-advisory-councils-following-paris-agreement-withdrawal/

I think this decision of Trump was a very dangerous one and it will cause massive fractures among all Americans and the American companies which were against it.

Pissing off the biggest business owners in the US ain't the brightest idea.
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