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Topic: Trump says what everyone is thinking, demands ban on Muslim immigration - page 2. (Read 1852 times)

legendary
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I think your interpretation is too simplistic. Regardless of what you think of muslims, don't you think that divisive attitudes like this could increase radicalisation in muslim communities, along with sympathy for what the terrorists want?

I'm not saying that the terrorists are right or anything, but it seems very short-sighted to want to ban 1.6 billion people from your country because of the actions of a few thousand. I would expect the 1.599 billion who don't want to blow you up wouldn't agree, and some of them might actually decide they do want to blow you up now, for being a dick (not you personally, the West).

Blanket bans tend to have many unforeseen consequences, just look at the drug war. I don't think things are as black & white as you believe.
what the terrorists want is to conquer our countries "by the wombs of their women" and enslave us. these guys aren't eta, the ira or kla who had territorial or civil rights demands and could be negotiated with.

will it make them dislike us more? possibly, but since we'd be doing our best to keep them out instead of importing millions of them every year, what they think of us from their own countries shouldn't cause us any majors problem

time we all faced the reality that their beliefs are incompatible with ours. we believe in the rule of law and they believe sovereignty belongs to their god. and we aren't talking about 0.1%. most muslims believe in the death penalty for adultery and apostasy and about two fifths believe sharia should apply to non muslims. and if polls are to believed at least 100 million of them support isis. importing millions of savages into your country and giving them free shit so they can breed like rats and outnumber you within 50 years is a stupid idea.





Very interesting charts.  I am surprised at the low support for ISIS among the countries cited.  By the way, do you have a link for these charts?
hero member
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Well, you have to wonder why your leaders (and the whore media that supports them through thick and thin) are so desperate to have you ignore what is clearly a threat. I mean, they openly threaten you with prosecution if you dare raise concerns about this issue. And:

Pentagon: Trump's Call a Threat to National Security

legendary
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I think your interpretation is too simplistic. Regardless of what you think of muslims, don't you think that divisive attitudes like this could increase radicalisation in muslim communities, along with sympathy for what the terrorists want?

I'm not saying that the terrorists are right or anything, but it seems very short-sighted to want to ban 1.6 billion people from your country because of the actions of a few thousand. I would expect the 1.599 billion who don't want to blow you up wouldn't agree, and some of them might actually decide they do want to blow you up now, for being a dick (not you personally, the West).

Blanket bans tend to have many unforeseen consequences, just look at the drug war. I don't think things are as black & white as you believe.
what the terrorists want is to conquer our countries "by the wombs of their women" and enslave us. these guys aren't eta, the ira or kla who had territorial or civil rights demands and could be negotiated with.

will it make them dislike us more? possibly, but since we'd be doing our best to keep them out instead of importing millions of them every year, what they think of us from their own countries shouldn't cause us any majors problem

time we all faced the reality that their beliefs are incompatible with ours. we believe in the rule of law and they believe sovereignty belongs to their god. and we aren't talking about 0.1%. most muslims believe in the death penalty for adultery and apostasy and about two fifths believe sharia should apply to non muslims. and if polls are to believed at least 100 million of them support isis. importing millions of savages into your country and giving them free shit so they can breed like rats and outnumber you within 50 years is a stupid idea.




hero member
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Donald Trump is wrong...we should ban ALL immigration until we can get a handle on this out of control problem. We should not limit this to Muslims.
legendary
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The guy is a fucking moron, that much is clear. Whether he understands the stupidity of this latest statement, or actually believes it would work, is anyone's guess.
why should it not work? terrorism is done by muslims so fewer muslims = less terrorism

I think your interpretation is too simplistic. Regardless of what you think of muslims, don't you think that divisive attitudes like this could increase radicalisation in muslim communities, along with sympathy for what the terrorists want?

I'm not saying that the terrorists are right or anything, but it seems very short-sighted to want to ban 1.6 billion people from your country because of the actions of a few thousand. I would expect the 1.599 billion who don't want to blow you up wouldn't agree, and some of them might actually decide they do want to blow you up now, for being a dick (not you personally, the West).

Blanket bans tend to have many unforeseen consequences, just look at the drug war. I don't think things are as black & white as you believe.
legendary
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Is this really true what´s in the OP?? 25% of Muslims in the U.S. believe that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of a global Jihad, and 50% believe that they should have the right to live under a Sharia governance? That is staggering. If it´s true I can´t blame Trump all that much for being nervous, especially since the people in charge don´t seem to be concerned at all about this situation.

Only a small part of the American Muslims are skilled immigrants. Almost one-third of them are African-American, mostly from the Nation of Islam, Moorish Science Temple of America and other fringe groups. Another one-third is Pakistani or other Asian or Arab, mostly doing blue-collar jobs. Don't expect these groups to think rationally.
legendary
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Besides, I don't think this could ever be legal. There are laws in America (and in every western country) which prevents segregation because of race, sex or religion.

I am not judging but this is only a matter of playing with law. We have secret courts and secret law, so why would it not be possible?  Huh

It is only because of the ignorance of the people as to how to use the Preamble to the Constitution, and the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments.

Smiley

Yes, that's what I thought. I'm not familiar with American law, but this can't be standard law preventing segregation, it's probably in the American constitution.

I also wonder how such a scheme could me implemented. Let's I'm flying to the US tomorrow, would there be a guy at the airport asking everyone if they're muslims, and send them back right away? What if someone lies? How to check? Will you have to eat a slice of bacon to prove you're not muslim?

That's all right with me, I like bacon.

Select groups of people certainly can be constitutionally barred from entry, curfews set on them, and other restrictions.  There are Supreme Court cases on this matter.

And as far as I'm concerned, if you like bacon you should get in.
legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
Besides, I don't think this could ever be legal. There are laws in America (and in every western country) which prevents segregation because of race, sex or religion.

I am not judging but this is only a matter of playing with law. We have secret courts and secret law, so why would it not be possible?  Huh

It is only because of the ignorance of the people as to how to use the Preamble to the Constitution, and the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments.

Smiley

Yes, that's what I thought. I'm not familiar with American law, but this can't be standard law preventing segregation, it's probably in the American constitution.

I also wonder how such a scheme could me implemented. Let's I'm flying to the US tomorrow, would there be a guy at the airport asking everyone if they're muslims, and send them back right away? What if someone lies? How to check? Will you have to eat a slice of bacon to prove you're not muslim?

That's all right with me, I like bacon.
legendary
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Terrible. Pure racism. Do not vote for him.

It has nothing to do with race.

Agree, Muslim is not a race. Therefore racism is not the correct word, discriminate is. Discriminate is to distinguish among the options available.

Please continue using wrong words.  That shows the moronic nature of the complaint and the complainer nicely.
hero member
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Not Loretta Lynn hehe

Loretta Lynch, Attorney General of the United States

hero member
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In fact they are so totally devoid of any concern that the slogan "If you see something say something" seems to have evolved into "If you say something, you´ll be prosecuted". Just listen to Loretta Lynn say something to that effect a few days ago.
hero member
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Is this really true what´s in the OP?? 25% of Muslims in the U.S. believe that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of a global Jihad, and 50% believe that they should have the right to live under a Sharia governance? That is staggering. If it´s true I can´t blame Trump all that much for being nervous, especially since the people in charge don´t seem to be concerned at all about this situation.
sr. member
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Terrible. Pure racism. Do not vote for him.

It has nothing to do with race.

Agree, Muslim is not a race. Therefore racism is not the correct word, discriminate is. Discriminate is to distinguish among the options available.
legendary
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Terrible. Pure racism. Do not vote for him.

It has nothing to do with race.
legendary
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It is only because of the ignorance of the people as to how to use the Preamble to the Constitution, and the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments.

Smiley
dont think your constitution applies to non citizens who live in other countries

Sorry to say but you guys (europe) is now too much feminized (pussyz) to do anything. Keep politically correct and hand over the region to muslimz
national front just came first in french elections,  austrian nationalists took 30%, patriotic anti muslim immigration parties are in power in czech republic, hungary, poland, dutch freedom party and sweden democrats are #1 in the polls in their respective countries, don't rule us out just yet

The guy is a fucking moron, that much is clear. Whether he understands the stupidity of this latest statement, or actually believes it would work, is anyone's guess.
why should it not work? terrorism is done by muslims so fewer muslims = less terrorism
hero member
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I like Trump mostly because I think the Russians like him. They´re not likely to waste much time on nobodies like Obama and Kerry and other man-children around them. Insane Republicans? I don´t think so. Trump however even looks like some Soviet/Russian boss of old. I think they´d be rolling out the red carpet as soon as he was elected. Which of course would be very bullish for world peace I guess. So, I like him for purely practical reasons. Elementary even as in self-preservation. I´m not at all interested in kicking the bucket in some nuclear war.
legendary
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I don't think that Trump s serious politician or serious person, someone we should listen.
If he become President of USA it will become bad joke really.
Regarding Muslim immigration, it's European problem now, but USA started it with their policy and wars in Iraq, Libya and Syria now.
It will be fair that Americans at least now support financially EU to solve this immigration crisis because they started it.
I don't think Trump have any real solution for this problem.
 

 
hero member
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It isn´t very complex.

Wall St. wants Hillary, the war industry wants her, not to mention the media shitpile. Everybody that´s out to screw YOU wants Hillary. So, you´ll get Hillary no matter what. Unless she becomes somehow indisposed, but I doubt that you´ll be that lucky.

Trump will prefer making himself unelectable to being bumped off. But he´ll probably bail out long before that anyway. It´ll eventually be the most insane and unelectable Republican possible vs Hillary just like it was that gling glong out in space McCain vs Obama in 08.


legendary
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This is an interesting development.

I've thought from the beginning that Trump could be a sort of unaware actor, installed in the presidential campaign to make the other Republicans look more tolerant, and subsequently more likely to be voted in. I'm not suggesting a full blown conspiracy, just that a few people in power may have done some favours earlier on in his campaign, with this as an ulterior motive.

But I think he's been doing a lot better than anyone predicted, as the Canadian in South Park said:

"By the time we were ready to say, "OK, let’s get serious now, who should really be president", he was already being sworn into office. We weren't paying attention!"

The guy is a fucking moron, that much is clear. Whether he understands the stupidity of this latest statement, or actually believes it would work, is anyone's guess. What he's essentially doing is playing on the idea that most of his fuckwitted electorate don't really understand much about terrorists or Muslims, and giving them an easy to digest chunk of black & white legislation to get excited about.

I firmly believe that this shit actually shows that the terrorists are winning. Ridiculous statements like this will increase divisions between Muslim/Christian relations, give the terrorists more reasons to blow people up, and increase the likelihood of people sympathising/joining them.
legendary
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Khazad ai-menu!
Just a friendly reminder:

If you think any people should need "passports" or "documentation" to travel, and therefore that other people should be encouraged and funded to harass people for trying to travel, you are pig-ignorant nazi fascist weight dragging down humanity and an embarrassment and liability to your own children.  

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