Topic: Trump vs. the US Mainstream Media - Vote your opinion! (Read 1984 times)

Says who? Facts or it doesn't count. If you want anyone to believe provide a source. (And I don't doubt you have them.)

What do you think the accurate Obama deportation count is?

Most of the time, Obama deported people who were already planning to go back to their homes (either temporarily or permanently). Obama was actually giving them free one-way tickets. Most of these people came back to the US after their short vacations in Mexico.

I'm glad we can finally agree on the fact that it is a "ban"...Trump used the word "ban"....you used the word "ban".

I never questioned the length. It's always been clear that it's a 90 day or 180 day ban, depending on additional criteria.

The thing people are up in arms about is that there's no specific, actionable, targeted threat he's responding to. He's arbitrarily deciding to ban muslims from specific countries for the FUD he or his supporters are threatened by.

When you say "this is simply lying", you're referring to Trump? I'm only quoting the words of Trump and his administration...the FUD propaganda going on is Trump's.

Ok, back to media bias or not...

Trump's announced plans to deport illegal immigrants. How many news organizations are going to sensationalize this news?



It will come as news to most liberals that President Obama had record high deportations of illegal immigrants during his 8 years in office - 2.5 million deportations.

Do you think Trump will deport more people?

Source: http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/

Showman is someone who doesn't fulfill his promises. Trump is different. Even before taking the presidential post, he began acting on his promises. He cut deals with some of the corporations, and managed to keep thousands of jobs in the US.

Ok, your one example aside.

I promise you I'm not promoting political correctness. I'm promoting the idea that someone such as the President, who by job responsibility must represent and respect for all non-criminal, legal Americans, should demonstrate through his words, actions, and implications that he does in fact represent and respect everybody.

Trump's comment "laziness is a trait of black people" is textbook racism. It's stating that a race of people is inferior to another race of people. 

Trump's comment "Black guys counting my money! I hate it!" implies that he can't trust black people (a race) to handle, have possession of, or calculate his money. That's literally what his words imply...how can you deny that?

I'll summarize this for you - Trump is an asshole, and it's embarrassing to have an asshole for a President.

I have friends that talk like he does, I've talked like he does over the course of my life. My friends are the President, I'm not the President and if I were I wouldn't be talking such disrespect. It's not about politically correct talk. It's about having basic, bare minimum respect and decency for the people he's supposed to represent.

At least you don't deny that he's said these things!

"Telling about what he did" has been exactly the point of his weekly 10 minute reports to the public, the recent press conference and the rally in Florida.

I disagree with you. Trump is more showman than politician. All the time while he is President he will try to be the center of attention. Tell about what he did and why Americans are better off, he can not. There is only one remedy scandal.

It was all cool before he is elected but it doesn't look so cool right now. It looks more like he is running another campaign to get himself elected in 2020. I don't understand why he is complaining about the media every time he speaks. We got his point. The media is full with liars. We knew it long before he told us anyway.

I think it is better for Mr. Trump to stop complaining about stuff.

Because the generated propaganda implies a permanent ban, when it was explicitly defined as a temporary ban of a couple months while some of the chaos left by the Obama retards is cleared up.

This is simply lying.

What I certainly can deny is that these words imply hate and disrespect.

But more importantly I certainly will admit it does not bother me.  I've been around a great many types and varieties of people, and that includes crude, rash, arrogant, silly, on and on.

What you are advocating is "political correctness."  A fair part of the pro-Trump movement is exactly a pushback against PC having gone too far.  Therefore it's very consistent for a "Trump supporter" to say this does not bother him.

Most of the quotes you have cited do not imply hate or disrespect.  Let me give you one example.

And a classic incestuous comment from the Don: "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

It's exactly, blatantly NOT AN INCESTUOUS COMMENT.

If you allow yourself to be misled by this sort of twisted left wing retarded logic, you are not doing yourself any favors.....

We could start by you representing what I presented correctly. You miss quote a few things I said and you're splitting hairs on other points.

So let's break down what you're calling me out about:
1. Trump's Exec Order to halt immigration of Muslim refugees isn't a ban because of why? (Your comment is unclear). But here's a quote of a tweet from Trump: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump 'Immigration Ban Is One Of Trump's Most Popular Orders So Far'...he called it an "immigration ban"; Why should that be interpreted differently?

2. Muslim is a religion and Mexican is a nationality and I include them in the "racist" category? Ok. I agree with you.
 
3. Since Muslim is a religion and Mexican is a nationality, Trump's not racist? No, I'll provide more examples.

4. Trump's not sexist? I'll provide more examples

5. Trump's not xenophobic? Debatable. The definition: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. Given Trump's comments about the Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, Iraqis, Syrians, Iranians, Lybians, Somalians (sp?), Sudanese, and Yemen nationals he's subscribing to a lot of FUD.

I'll absolutely concede that Muslim isn't a race, Mexican isn't a race. So it's not racist comments toward these groups of people, it's hateful comments toward these people. Don't act like that's any worse. Hitler hated the Jews. Btw, I don't think Trump is anywhere close to Hitler. My point is that your comments to don't change the disrespect and hate in Trump's words.

More appropriate examples of Trumps racist attitude toward as he calls them, "the blacks":

• “Laziness is a trait in blacks.”
• “Sadly, because president Obama has done such a poor job as president, you won’t see another black president for generations!”
• “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”
• SOURCE: http://gawker.com/the-collected-quotes-of-donald-trump-on-the-blacks-1719961925

The one thing Trump displays most regularly is his sexist and insulting/disrespectful attitude toward woman, a few of his brilliant comments for you to consider:

• “I think that putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing”
• "Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next next President? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?"
• How much money is the extremely unattractive (both inside and out) Arianna Huffington paying her poor ex-hubby for the use of his name?
• Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
• I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there.
• And a classic incestuous comment from the Don: "I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
• SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/
• SOURCE: http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/donald-trump-quotes-57213

You can't deny this talk. You can't deny the hate and disrespect of these words, these thoughts. The idea of respect toward another human being isn't outdated. (And it goes against the christian religious ideals that so many hardcore republicans and Trump supporters claim to live their life by.)

What you can do...for all of us...is just admit it doesn't bother you. Admit that you think this kind of talk - this hate, disrespect, and demeaning is OK. It doesn't bother a lot of Trump voters, that's how he got elected. Let's clear that bit up.

This is some really twisted thinking, dude.  I know you are just repeating it but let me explore where this goes.

"It's a ban if he says it's a ban."

Not if you use the word to mean something completely different than what he said.

"I have a great relationship with blacks."

Sounds very, very UNRACIST to me.

"Regarding race, I noticed you didn't refute my evidence that he's made racist comments about muslim people or mexican people...so he's still racist, yeah? Just not to black people?"

Neither muslim or mexican is a race.  Muslim is a religion and Mexican is a nation with citizens.  Hispanic is a group of about 800 surnames, in case it interests you.

So you want to assert he's made racist remarks about the two categories which are not a race and has not made racist remarks about the one which is a race?

I believe it's understandable if anyone doesn't like Trump.  Period.  But racist, nope.  

Sexist, he's not even trying to be politically correct.  Part of why he was voted in was a lot of people thinking PC had gone too far.  How about if I assert that your use of the concept is outmoded, antiquidated, and won't work? 

Xenophobic?  This is a guy who has world wide business relationships with all kinds of people.   Are you fucking kidding?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia


Can we clear some of this up please?

Friend, regarding the ban. It's a ban because Trump called it a ban.

• "In a written statement late Monday afternoon, the Trump campaign said the Republican frontrunner wanted a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” -TheAtlantic.com, https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trumps-call-to-ban-muslim-immigrants/419298/

Regarding race, I noticed you didn't refute my evidence that he's made racist comments about muslim people or mexican people...so he's still racist, yeah? Just not to black people?

• “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” .-International Business Times, http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-racist-15-controversial-quotes-president-elect-said-about-blacks-2447531
• “If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in response to Khizr Kahn, the father of fallen Muslim Army Captain Humayun Khan, after his Democratic National Convention speech in July.

Listen man, it's clear this kind of talk doesn't bother you, but it is racist. It is sexist. It is xenophobic. Don't act like Trump and pretend shit isn't true or ignore the facts. These are his own words.

You'd have a better argument if you said "yeah, he's racist, but that doesn't matter because he'll fix these 5 things in the Country that will make the lives better of those that are hurting the most". I don't think he's capable of that success, but we all win if he does and only time will tell.

His success is our success, but he's still a racist, sexist, xenophobic person. He doesn't earn most people's respect because he doesn't give anyone respect.

actually i am 100% trust with media, sometime they make incredible article to make panic, horrible situations and else but sometime they make real article and reporting. in this side, if the media is make real article from real situations, i think maybe people will be stick with them and they can push government to make change.

sometime trump make regulations that maybe make people protest about his regulations like what i've seen on television that trump made racism comment but maybe he forget that in US, the citizens are come from many ethnic which is moslem, african and else.

He didn't said anything offensive. He said that the African Americans are living in hell, due to the high crime rates. I don't think that it is a racist statement.


Don't lie. There was no ban and he didn't targeted the Muslims. He temporarily suspended the immigration from seven countries (for people from all the religions).

I no longer trust the media. But it's not pleasant. Tell me where you hear the news if you don't trust the media. How do you know that's true? If everything is put in doubt, it is not interesting to live. Don't you think?

Neither muslim or mexican is "a race."

Trump may ALSO respect women constantly.  Had you considered that?

Bolded - "proves he's afraid?"  No, the ban does not prove he's afraid.  You clearly don't have the facts regarding that temporary ban.

ARTICLE??

You just look at the video, it's right there during his press conference.

As it makes no difference. Can't imagine that the President of the most powerful country in the world could carry nonsense for which you have to justify all of the white house. What self-respecting President will sit down at the negotiating table with such an idiot like Trump?