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Quote from: BADecker on September 05, 2019, 12:09:27 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on September 05, 2019, 10:36:03 AM

Ideas like this can only come from Trump and no one else.
He clearly does not understand how international relations work today.
The borders were last changed in Europe after World War II, 1945.
As far as I remember, the last a piece of territory America bought (from Russia) was Alaska in 1867, it seems to me, more than 150 years ago.
Obviously Trump needs a history lesson.

Trump has advisers who are making things known to him. This is one of the reasons he changes his mind so often. He is learning from his advisors, to say nothing about his opponents changing the playing field all the time.

There are many borders that are changing all the time, although many haven't changed since WW2. Consider Thrace. Thrace has not existed for hundreds of years according to the historical and government books. But Thracians still cling to their heritage as Thracians, even though they are being integrated with other cultures.

Things change... even borders.

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This is true, but it used to be the standard for borders to be changed by force, in war, and now it is settled peacefully, through negotiations.
200 years ago Trump would not have to ask anything, he would send army and declare that the area belong to America, but now we live by other standards and rules.

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Quote from: squatz1 on August 15, 2019, 09:27:55 PM

Random information out of left field, but I don't think the White House has commented on it.

Trump is thinking about purchasing Greenland. He's been floating the idea with WH legal counsel, and different aides in the WH to see if this is something he can do. Unknown on if he is really seriousness about this, but it's something that has without a doubt been talked about.

Unknown on why: Past the fact that Greenland has a large amount of natural resources, but I can't see something like this actually coming to fruition. I'd love to see what people think about this.

cnbc dot com/articles/trump-eyes-a-new-real-estate-purchase-greenland-11565904223

We have to remember Mr. Trump's career before he became the President. He was a real estate mogul and a master showman. As funny as it sounds, Trump announced this to test how the environment would react. Sometimes, this bluff plays to his advantage as the real players take notice and begin to make their moves.

According to CNBC - bitcointalk keeps removing the src link, so figure out the link yourself.

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Yet Trump’s interest in Greenland is just the latest indication of the island’s increasing geopolitical importance. It is even drawing the eye of China.
Greenland’s growing strategic value is linked tightly to new North Atlantic shipping lanes opening up due to melting polar ice caps. Its largely ice-capped land mass is also rich in untapped natural resources.

In truth, the idea is not really all that absurd if we factor out other components such as Greenland's population of 57,000 - which is actually very small when compared even to small US cities.

As a real estate person, Trump knows that location is everything in business - and in a macro sense- the economy. By "floating" a seemingly "absurd" or "naive" idea, he may have nudged the US' competitors China, Russia and others. From this we can see, that Trump actually believes in climate change!

Oh wow, I just got that idea now. Yes, yes! Trump believes in Climate change but is lying about it:

"Greenland’s growing strategic value is linked tightly to new North Atlantic shipping lanes opening up due to melting polar ice caps"

So, in anticipation of the polar caps melting and the opening of new shipping lanes, there is much money to be made especially when you have exclusivity in its maritime waters.

“He who controls the spice controls the universe.” ― Frank Herbert, Dune.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 05, 2019, 10:36:03 AM

Ideas like this can only come from Trump and no one else.
He clearly does not understand how international relations work today.
The borders were last changed in Europe after World War II, 1945.
As far as I remember, the last a piece of territory America bought (from Russia) was Alaska in 1867, it seems to me, more than 150 years ago.
Obviously Trump needs a history lesson.

Trump has advisers who are making things known to him. This is one of the reasons he changes his mind so often. He is learning from his advisors, to say nothing about his opponents changing the playing field all the time.

There are many borders that are changing all the time, although many haven't changed since WW2. Consider Thrace. Thrace has not existed for hundreds of years according to the historical and government books. But Thracians still cling to their heritage as Thracians, even though they are being integrated with other cultures.

Things change... even borders.

Cool

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Ideas like this can only come from Trump and no one else.
He clearly does not understand how international relations work today.
The borders were last changed in Europe after World War II, 1945.
As far as I remember, the last a piece of territory America bought (from Russia) was Alaska in 1867, it seems to me, more than 150 years ago.
Obviously Trump needs a history lesson.

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Quote from: GlobalPokerSites on September 04, 2019, 03:58:07 PM

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/conan-travels-greenland-investigate-local-interest-trump-1236538

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyMKA4d35dg

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/conan-travels-greenland-investigate-local-interest-trump-1236538

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I believe what Trump said is just a political stunt,he did that to serve as an excuse not to travel to Norway because Obama is also visiting at that period which h might affect his upcoming election.politics

Green land is very important to the us because the United State military has some important equipment there,

Russia and the United State also have military equipment in green land,so if the United State buys it it will be there own and Russia could be expel

Donald Trump's is a real estate manager he may have some interest in aquiring green land to build some houses

Green land have a lot of mineral resources,which can be of benefit to the United state

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^^^ China built those 20 empty cities. Maybe they would take 2 more. After all, some of those SE Asian nations use human excrement as fertilizer.

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I would like to see Greenland bought with money from the sale of San Francisco and Oakland.

But I am not sure if anyone would want them.

Maybe Cuba?

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 25, 2019, 05:10:48 PM

Quote from: Artemis3 on August 25, 2019, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: DigitalAssetInvestor1 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:53 AM

He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

Mr Trump would like a new golf course and hotel in exotic places, so this would fit point 3. Also with weather patterns changing, Greenland might actually become green (rather than white) so its like a long term investment. Perhaps it would become associated state like Puerto Rico, no voting in congress.

That's a two mile thick slab of ice, millions of square miles of it.

Don't the ice. We could bottle that water up and sell it.

And all they have to do is pump oxygen into the methane under the ice, and ignite it... to melt the ice for bottling. If they run out of methane, maybe they can buy Iceland, and use the methane under it.

Just think. All that CO2 that will be produced, will make its way down to Brazil, and will replenish the jungles they are burning down there.

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Quote from: Artemis3 on August 25, 2019, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: DigitalAssetInvestor1 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:53 AM

He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

Mr Trump would like a new golf course and hotel in exotic places, so this would fit point 3. Also with weather patterns changing, Greenland might actually become green (rather than white) so its like a long term investment. Perhaps it would become associated state like Puerto Rico, no voting in congress.

That's a two mile thick slab of ice, millions of square miles of it.

Don't the ice. We could bottle that water up and sell it.

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Quote from: DigitalAssetInvestor1 on August 24, 2019, 08:59:53 AM

He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

Mr Trump would like a new golf course and hotel in exotic places, so this would fit point 3. Also with weather patterns changing, Greenland might actually become green (rather than white) so its like a long term investment. Perhaps it would become associated state like Puerto Rico, no voting in congress.

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^^^ Sounds like a good deal. We should start a holding company that buys Greenland first. We can sell it for more, later, to Trump or whoever. If we can't find a buyer, we have the benefits listed above for ourselves.

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He should buy Greenland, there are so many upsides to a purchase:

1. Military and commercial control of the arctic
2. Resource development/mining and drilling
3. Real-estate development
4. Retail business
5. Transport industry
6. Fishing industry

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Extremely unlikely that the sell will happen.

Several posters mentioned the economic and geo-political implications if the US owns greenland - all this is also in the interest of the EU and thus im quite sure that neither denmark nor the EU will support this.

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Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 02:44:00 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Something like 90% of the Greenland population belongs to indigenous people

just like the early US population? if they learn from history... better stay away

I think Hawaii would make a better example.

Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 02:44:00 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Greenland is abundant in minerals.

ofc, that's what really matters. stuff, not the people.

I disagree. While those minerals are important, and the ability to claim more Arctic land like Russia has been doing would also be important, it is clear the motivations here are related to the military.

Quote from: vladimirhf on August 19, 2019, 02:44:00 AM

Quote from: SantiagoSegura on August 19, 2019, 01:46:20 AM

Ask indigenous people in Alaska would they rather be part of Russia, instead United States.

ask if they would like to be part of Denmark.

Ask Denmark if they want to continue paying hundreds of millions of dollars annually to support far away lands. The citizens don't get a vote.

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Quote from: dantee1 on August 17, 2019, 01:18:56 PM

Quote from: TheCoinGrabber on August 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM

I don't know if he's serious but other powers are definitely going to try to sabotage this even if Denmark is willing to sell. It is actually a pretty good move though. The seas are warming and within a few decades we'd have an Arctic that is navigable even during winter.

Having bases in Greenland would be a good check against Russia, which would no longer be as restricted navy-wise like it is today (one reason for annexing Crimea is access to a warm sea port). China is also expected to take advantage of an all-season Northwest Passage for shipping to the Americas and the US controlling Greenland would give them the capacity to choke these trade routes if needed.

If USA is going to do it, it must be through high level negotiations. Nothing is impossible nor beyond reach for the world super-power. All it will take is the use of leverages against Denmark, and at the same time, offer them good incentives. In the end, it'll come down to referendum where the Greenland citizens may be asked to choose between becoming part of the United States of America or remain as Denmark territory. There's absolutely no question which direction the citizens will choose.

What leverage does the US have over Denmark that it would be willing to exchange territory for money? Unlike with Russia the Danish aren't currently experiencing any major economic problems. Well aside from the ticking time bomb from their immigrant quota. Grin

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United States already have base on Greenland, it is there since 1943, Thule Air Base

Yes but we never know how things would change with the Danish government. The US also had bases in the Philippines since from the time it was their colony but after a revolution there in the 80s they got kicked out (not that the country invited them decades later for exercises without the hassle of maintaining bases Grin

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 21, 2019, 11:07:26 AM

Quote from: TheWolf666 on August 21, 2019, 10:55:41 AM

Next in his mind:
Buying Hong Kong... they need help!
Buying Taiwan... they need help!
Buying Venezuela ... they need help!
Buying Cuba... they need help!

and Buying the WORLD.

That's the Trumpzilla syndrome!

To buy and sell some thing is by its nature a voluntary transaction. The USA would only buy Greenland if at least Denmark agreed to the terms. Obviously none of those other nations would agree to be bought at any price, even if they had enough value to be purchased to begin with. Impressive visual with the Trumpzilla and all though, too bad your argument is hollow.

Obviously this is the thing that people miss. Greenland is never going to be sold to the US -- even more so now, due to the fact that Denmark has just cancelled a meeting with President Trump -- which I assume was going to be regarding the topic in question.

Buying and selling land is a bit of an issue if there are people living there.

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Thule air base is an important early warning base for the US. Maybe he is concerned that with the waning popularity of the bellicose policies of Washington, the US will be chucked out in the near future.

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Quote from: TheWolf666 on August 21, 2019, 10:55:41 AM

Next in his mind:
Buying Hong Kong... they need help!
Buying Taiwan... they need help!
Buying Venezuela ... they need help!
Buying Cuba... they need help!

and Buying the WORLD.

That's the Trumpzilla syndrome!

To buy and sell some thing is by its nature a voluntary transaction. The USA would only buy Greenland if at least Denmark agreed to the terms. Obviously none of those other nations would agree to be bought at any price, even if they had enough value to be purchased to begin with. Impressive visual with the Trumpzilla and all though, too bad your argument is hollow.

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