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Topic: Trust Abuse - Lutpin - With Reasons - page 2. (Read 3031 times)

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March 16, 2016, 07:35:13 PM
#48

Check that thread.I was his next victim as well.He messaged me asking to sell him btc's .

Victim, means you also have done something wrong, else how u were a victim ??

Anyways closing this and I think if we try to change people, we get changed ourselves, people here deserve to live with the BOSS and well, I am happy with it.
legendary
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Get your game girl
March 15, 2016, 10:17:55 PM
#47

Check that thread.I was his next victim as well.He messaged me asking to sell him btc's .
legendary
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March 15, 2016, 10:15:55 PM
#46
why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?
Because when you sell it,it no longer belongs to you or the lender who has it as collateral.How difficult it is for you to understand ?

ok thanks and really I did not like the rating you left on me. If possible and you feel relevant please remove it, I dont think anyone is childish enough to trade without escrow ... or maybe fine as you wish Smiley

The rating is well deserved.According to Lutpin that is not a trustworthy behavior and YOU can't decide whom he should trust.If you really want to prove your innocence contact other DT members and ask them to put a feedback against Lutpin's.


Apparently the OP has given up on trolling Lutpin and moved on to the next target:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/user-with-a-few-alts-trying-to-blackmail-me-scam-who-pointed-out-his-loan-scam-1399840
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/atomicats-alt-finally-found-them-out-d-1399820
legendary
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Get your game girl
March 15, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
#45
why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?
Because when you sell it,it no longer belongs to you or the lender who has it as collateral.How difficult it is for you to understand ?

ok thanks and really I did not like the rating you left on me. If possible and you feel relevant please remove it, I dont think anyone is childish enough to trade without escrow ... or maybe fine as you wish Smiley

The rating is well deserved.According to Lutpin that is not a trustworthy behavior and YOU can't decide whom he should trust.If you really want to prove your innocence contact other DT members and ask them to put a feedback against Lutpin's.


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March 15, 2016, 03:50:43 PM
#44
I see and probably my last question, please can you tell me reason for your trust on my account ? That QS explained , so please ?
It is to inform any future individuals who might loan you, or make a trade, of this.

ok thanks and really I did not like the rating you left on me. If possible and you feel relevant please remove it, I dont think anyone is childish enough to trade without escrow ... or maybe fine as you wish Smiley
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Goodbye, Z.
March 15, 2016, 03:44:04 PM
#43
I see and probably my last question, please can you tell me reason for your trust on my account ? That QS explained , so please ?
It is to inform any future individuals who might loan you, or make a trade, of this.



ok thanks and really I did not like the rating you left on me. If possible and you feel relevant please remove it, I dont think anyone is childish enough to trade without escrow ... or maybe fine as you wish Smiley
It's a neutral, it's not affecting your trust score. There is a reference for people, so they can check out the according threads and make their own conclusion out of it.
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March 15, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
#42
You have given positive trust to almost everyone related to crypto-games , I mean from moderator to admins .. it seems like half ( or more) of your positive feedbacks are given to crypto-games related people here, dont you find it suspicious yourself ?
I've given 18 positive ratings, of which 4 are to crypto-games related users (that's not "everyone related to crypto-games", I know at least 2 more members of staff are maintaining an account over here).

Moreover you have on occasions left positive trust even when the guy went first, you know that can make abuse of DT, as people will trade with you and you leave them trust in return ?
1 example : http://prntscr.com/afp3pq
If I was on DT while doing that trade, which I wasn't. If the other party would have been the one initiating the trade, which they were not.

Moreover you think everyone related to crypto-games deserves a +ve trust even when they havent done anything as such great in here ?
I trust those 4 persons, the two admins aswell as adzino and micromen.
If we take a look at the trust page it says:
"Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade."

Most people claim you and mexxer are same and well, see this rating : http://prntscr.com/afp4hi
If you know someone you will simply give him trust rating ? Even without any proper reason of being trustworthy in forum ?
"most people" is hardly the truth, and even if it were most people, they were wrong. I'm not mexxer-2.
Repaying several no collateral loans for a sum of over 3 btc combined could be a reason for trusting someone.
I do trust mexxer-2 for that, aswell as for other reasons.

Moreover please see this : http://prntscr.com/afp68t , here you left him rating based on his posts , while forum has a rule that DONT GIVE TRUST RATINGS BASED ON POST QUALITY OR SUCH. Confirm here : http://prntscr.com/afp91v
It's a neutral comment, not a rating.

I see and probably my last question, please can you tell me reason for your trust on my account ? That QS explained , so please ?
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Goodbye, Z.
March 15, 2016, 03:34:17 PM
#41
You have given positive trust to almost everyone related to crypto-games , I mean from moderator to admins .. it seems like half ( or more) of your positive feedbacks are given to crypto-games related people here, dont you find it suspicious yourself ?
I've given 18 positive ratings, of which 4 are to crypto-games related users (that's not "everyone related to crypto-games", I know at least 2 more members of staff are maintaining an account over here).

Moreover you have on occasions left positive trust even when the guy went first, you know that can make abuse of DT, as people will trade with you and you leave them trust in return ?
1 example : http://prntscr.com/afp3pq
If I was on DT while doing that trade, which I wasn't. If the other party would have been the one initiating the trade, which they were not.

Moreover you think everyone related to crypto-games deserves a +ve trust even when they havent done anything as such great in here ?
I trust those 4 persons, the two admins aswell as adzino and micromen.
If we take a look at the trust page it says:
"Positive - You trust this person or had a successful trade."

Most people claim you and mexxer are same and well, see this rating : http://prntscr.com/afp4hi
If you know someone you will simply give him trust rating ? Even without any proper reason of being trustworthy in forum ?
"most people" is hardly the truth, and even if it were most people, they were wrong. I'm not mexxer-2.
Repaying several no collateral loans for a sum of over 3 btc combined could be a reason for trusting someone.
I do trust mexxer-2 for that, aswell as for other reasons.

Moreover please see this : http://prntscr.com/afp68t , here you left him rating based on his posts , while forum has a rule that DONT GIVE TRUST RATINGS BASED ON POST QUALITY OR SUCH. Confirm here : http://prntscr.com/afp91v
It's a neutral comment, not a rating.
legendary
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March 15, 2016, 03:33:11 PM
#40
Actually QS raises a valid point here @suchmoon and @Lutpin .. why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?

So which is it then? Did you lie about having 4 accounts with the same stats?

Why are you changing the question here ? OK I will prove is other thing, but didnt lutpin left that rating for the reason QS explained ?

I don't think I'm changing anything. That's pretty much the only question I'm interested in this whole thread and you're posting a shitload of excuses but no answer or proof about about your 4 (or at least 2) accounts. Why is that?

You were the one claiming you own 4 accounts until QS came up with a "better" excuse for you. That doesn't make you trustworthy, quite the contrary.
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March 15, 2016, 03:32:08 PM
#39
Posted from wrong account ? Lutpin or mexxer its your own personal answers ?
You asked for a question publicly, I gave an answer from what I know.

Actually its like I ask how are you Lutpin and you say in chat I am good, its still common in chat but seems suspicious so asked , maybe.

Also mexxer , is asking questions not allowed ?
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March 15, 2016, 03:30:36 PM
#38
Posted from wrong account ? Lutpin or mexxer its your own personal answers ?
You asked for a question publicly, I gave an answer from what I know.
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March 15, 2016, 03:29:10 PM
#37
Actually QS raises a valid point here @suchmoon and @Lutpin .. why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?
Its shady, which is why it deserves a neutral. It is to inform any future individuals who might loan you, or make a trade, of this.
You have given positive trust to almost everyone related to crypto-games , I mean from moderator to admins .. it seems like half ( or more) of your positive feedbacks are given to crypto-games related people here, dont you find it suspicious yourself ?
Moreover you have on occasions left positive trust even when the guy went first, you know that can make abuse of DT, as people will trade with you and you leave them trust in return ?
Ratings are given for a trade. Regarding trust farming, thats a completely different issue and I don't see Lutpin giving anyone feedbacks because he had a low amount deals with the person(after he got into DT). If he did, he has stated in the risked amount that he did not risk any amount with the person
Once again
Moreover you think everyone related to crypto-games deserves a +ve trust even when they havent done anything as such great in here ?
He has risked his money with the admins. He trusts mods in there as he likely has loaned a few individuals from what I know. And as such, you trusting someone!=you have to have a trade with them here on bitcoin.
Most people claim you and mexxer are same and well, see this rating : http://prntscr.com/afp4hi
Seriously, stop making horseshit claims without any base. Its not even funny anymore
Moreover please see this : http://prntscr.com/afp68t , here you left him rating based on his posts , while forum has a rule that DONT GIVE TRUST RATINGS BASED ON POST QUALITY OR SUCH. Confirm here : http://prntscr.com/afp91v
It is a guideline, as stated. You can choose to follow it or ignore it

If I ask questions you get angry and you are allowed to do whatever you want ( oh you are in DT ) , sorry i didnt knew it
hero member
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March 15, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
#36
Actually QS raises a valid point here @suchmoon and @Lutpin .. why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?
Its shady, which is why it deserves a neutral. It is to inform any future individuals who might loan you, or make a trade, of this.
You have given positive trust to almost everyone related to crypto-games , I mean from moderator to admins .. it seems like half ( or more) of your positive feedbacks are given to crypto-games related people here, dont you find it suspicious yourself ?
Moreover you have on occasions left positive trust even when the guy went first, you know that can make abuse of DT, as people will trade with you and you leave them trust in return ?
Ratings are given for a trade. Regarding trust farming, thats a completely different issue and I don't see Lutpin giving anyone feedbacks because he had a low amount deals with the person(after he got into DT). If he did, he has stated in the risked amount that he did not risk any amount with the person
Once again
Moreover you think everyone related to crypto-games deserves a +ve trust even when they havent done anything as such great in here ?
He has risked his money with the admins. He trusts mods in there as he likely has loaned a few individuals from what I know. And as such, you trusting someone!=you have to have a trade with them here on bitcoin.
Most people claim you and mexxer are same and well, see this rating : http://prntscr.com/afp4hi
Seriously, stop making horseshit claims without any base. Its not even funny anymore
Moreover please see this : http://prntscr.com/afp68t , here you left him rating based on his posts , while forum has a rule that DONT GIVE TRUST RATINGS BASED ON POST QUALITY OR SUCH. Confirm here : http://prntscr.com/afp91v
It is a guideline, as stated. You can choose to follow it or ignore it
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March 15, 2016, 03:24:55 PM
#35
Actually QS raises a valid point here @suchmoon and @Lutpin .. why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?

So which is it then? Did you lie about having 4 accounts with the same stats?

Why are you changing the question here ? OK I will prove is other thing, but didnt lutpin left that rating for the reason QS explained ?
legendary
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March 15, 2016, 03:23:18 PM
#34
Actually QS raises a valid point here @suchmoon and @Lutpin .. why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?

So which is it then? Did you lie about having 4 accounts with the same stats?
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March 15, 2016, 03:14:18 PM
#33
Actually QS raises a valid point here @suchmoon and @Lutpin .. why is selling something and putting it as collateral at same time a scam ?

Basically you gave rating for the same reason , right ?

Then explain it Smiley , I believe humanity is still alive as someone stood up for me.

And yeah Lutpin, I want to ask you something

You have given positive trust to almost everyone related to crypto-games , I mean from moderator to admins .. it seems like half ( or more) of your positive feedbacks are given to crypto-games related people here, dont you find it suspicious yourself ?

Moreover you have on occasions left positive trust even when the guy went first, you know that can make abuse of DT, as people will trade with you and you leave them trust in return ?

1 example : http://prntscr.com/afp3pq

Moreover you think everyone related to crypto-games deserves a +ve trust even when they havent done anything as such great in here ?

Most people claim you and mexxer are same and well, see this rating : http://prntscr.com/afp4hi

If you know someone you will simply give him trust rating ? Even without any proper reason of being trustworthy in forum ?

Moreover please see this : http://prntscr.com/afp68t , here you left him rating based on his posts , while forum has a rule that DONT GIVE TRUST RATINGS BASED ON POST QUALITY OR SUCH. Confirm here : http://prntscr.com/afp91v
legendary
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March 15, 2016, 02:29:10 PM
#32
WOT

Kinda irrelevant seeing that the OP indicated it wasn't the same account but refused to provide any proof (even in private) of owning 4 or at least 2 accounts with the same stats. Yes, there might be some shades of gray somewhere in this story but unless the OP can come with an explanation that is plausible, verifiable, and doesn't contradict earlier stories (seems impossible but what do I know) then it's safe to assume it's just a failed scam attempt.
Even if you were to assume that the OP was trying to both sell and take a loan out against the same account at the same time, then I don't see how this is a scam attempt.

The OP is not trusted enough for someone to send BTC first to him, so it would make little sense for him to be able to receive payment for the account without first sending it to either the buyer (if trust enough) or an escrow. As I mentioned previously, the lender should setup the loan so that he would profit in the event that the OP defaults on the loan.

Except that's not the explanation the OP provided. I know lying is widely accepted on this forum but that doesn't make a person trustworthy, or specifically in this case it doesn't make someone's neutral trust rating for such person any kind of "abuse".

But its the same people every time was the point,if you had new blood in the conversation it would be reasonable to expect the issue to breathe but its not. Either people do not care as much or are scared to speak up,either way its a sad state of affairs. Was not trashing anyone just noticed this seems to be the same thread every time with a different name at top.

I think there is a fairly open discussion going on (except when the OP throws a fit and locks the thread temporarily). What exactly are you not happy about? Feel free to contribute to "breathe" some fresh air into it.
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March 15, 2016, 02:23:20 PM
#31
Should this not be between Luptin and OP,see no need for the gang up. Even if it is just to support it does not look good seeing it in every accusation thread.

Seeing that the OP titled the thread "Trust Abuse - Lutpin - With Reasons" it stands to reason that it's not unreasonable to expect such reasons to be provided.

But its the same people every time was the point,if you had new blood in the conversation it would be reasonable to expect the issue to breathe but its not. Either people do not care as much or are scared to speak up,either way its a sad state of affairs. Was not trashing anyone just noticed this seems to be the same thread every time with a different name at top.
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March 15, 2016, 02:16:39 PM
#30
WOT

Kinda irrelevant seeing that the OP indicated it wasn't the same account but refused to provide any proof (even in private) of owning 4 or at least 2 accounts with the same stats. Yes, there might be some shades of gray somewhere in this story but unless the OP can come with an explanation that is plausible, verifiable, and doesn't contradict earlier stories (seems impossible but what do I know) then it's safe to assume it's just a failed scam attempt.
Even if you were to assume that the OP was trying to both sell and take a loan out against the same account at the same time, then I don't see how this is a scam attempt.

The OP is not trusted enough for someone to send BTC first to him, so it would make little sense for him to be able to receive payment for the account without first sending it to either the buyer (if trust enough) or an escrow. As I mentioned previously, the lender should setup the loan so that he would profit in the event that the OP defaults on the loan.
legendary
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March 15, 2016, 02:14:43 PM
#29
Should this not be between Luptin and OP,see no need for the gang up. Even if it is just to support it does not look good seeing it in every accusation thread.

Seeing that the OP titled the thread "Trust Abuse - Lutpin - With Reasons" it stands to reason that it's not unreasonable to expect such reasons to be provided.
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