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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on October 27, 2023, 10:38:01 AM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on September 06, 2023, 06:09:26 AM

From little I have learnt so far Op, flag and trust aren't the same because flag show strong evidence that such person have violated some agreements between two parties or for instance, you have a money deal and you promised to pay in few months to come and its happens that you didn't respond to the agreement or have refused to pay as promised this may warrant the opposite to create flag since you didn't refund the money.

I know I've taken note of neutral tags on a few accounts which have borrowed money here, not just for spam posting, too. The neutral tag is made immediately the money is sent out. By my understanding, I think the tag serves as a reminder to the lender to know those they've lent money to. I know the money lenders can still write out names of their debtors on a private spreadsheet and away from here but they choose to put it here. Maybe, who knows, for transparency sake. Nonetheless, I think I've seen a user or two whose time to repay loans expired but no flags were raised on them. I don't know if they actually repaid the loans but the lenders forgot to take off the tags or what.

In that case it means the lender was notified for not being able to meet up their deadlines, this shows a transparency and understanding between the borrower and the lender, hence at this point no flags or tags can be raised against the lender. When there's no understanding or a form of agreement may be form of mutual knowledge then it might lead to something else were someone will be tagged

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on October 27, 2023, 10:38:01 AM

By my understanding, I think the tag serves as a reminder to the lender to know those they've lent money to.

Not only for that. The same person can ask another lender to borrow some money as well, and that lender will know that this person have some not yet repaid loan. It can be important while taking a decision about if to issue a loan or not.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on September 06, 2023, 06:09:26 AM

From little I have learnt so far Op, flag and trust aren't the same because flag show strong evidence that such person have violated some agreements between two parties or for instance, you have a money deal and you promised to pay in few months to come and its happens that you didn't respond to the agreement or have refused to pay as promised this may warrant the opposite to create flag since you didn't refund the money.

I know I've taken note of neutral tags on a few accounts which have borrowed money here, not just for spam posting, too. The neutral tag is made immediately the money is sent out. By my understanding, I think the tag serves as a reminder to the lender to know those they've lent money to. I know the money lenders can still write out names of their debtors on a private spreadsheet and away from here but they choose to put it here. Maybe, who knows, for transparency sake. Nonetheless, I think I've seen a user or two whose time to repay loans expired but no flags were raised on them. I don't know if they actually repaid the loans but the lenders forgot to take off the tags or what.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 26, 2023, 11:58:33 PM

@digaran if it were you holding such power over someone (who did bad then and want to change) would you let that person pass through such just because you think he or she doesn't deserve a second chance, what I mean is that if the person decides to be of good behavior, not going things that goes against the rules and regulations of this FORUM, would you threat that person the way you just said it or sketched everything?

I speak rhetorically, whatever I said is the mind set ruling the environment here.
Personally? I don't care if a bunch of people are cheating, as long as they don't spam and derail conversations and contribute, all they will take eventually would be at most $1m per year? The real concern is about the ICO/ordinal/NFT scams or other services where they can collect millions in a month and disappear or keep milking people for years. On forum sig/bounty cheating and other pity subjects are insignificant.

I would never burden myself with such power, one single mistake could destroy all the goods you have done in the eyes of God.
It's a hard task to be a judge, I don't deserve it. If I do judge people, because I hold no authority, however if I'm mistaken, I would correct it.

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Quote from: digaran on October 26, 2023, 08:33:52 PM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 26, 2023, 05:56:26 PM

Like you said is only who issued the tag that can remove it, ok... What if in a situation where the member who gave the tag refused to remove it what then do you suggest the victim to do?🤔

If the tag is justified, nothing can be done, if it's not then you'd have to be the good boy everyone expects you to be, that is, being DTs little bitch, that is, to behave nicely, kissing the rings, supporting them whenever possible, and never criticizing or step out of your boundaries. Then you will have a nice little cult of little bitches circle jerking their masters left and right, either by merit, trust or verbally.

Don't you think that would be hash and too hard on the victim? Not everybody would want to dance to the tune of those who issued the tags, it may even make some abandon the account and open another one just to be free from such humiliation. To me if they plead and is not answered is best to just show them that you're not the same person that did wrong (it will be hard) but continue begging to be freed from those tags.

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If by any chance you try to say something they don't like, they would welcome you with new tags left and right, to remind you who you were supposed to be.

That's like you don't have a say anymore in this Forum, you can't even air out something you feel is wrong or right and if someone ask what you think about something concerning whosoever dropped the tag you'd just say nothing only good words, mean while you have so much to say against that person, that's being in a prison without bars.

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If you don't want any of that, step outside your room, there is an actual world out there. ~~It's much nicer than here.~~ it's worse, there is actual blood and killings out here, don't come out, stay in this beautiful place where you can read evil, out here you have to face real evil.😢

@digaran if it were you holding such power over someone (who did bad then and want to change) would you let that person pass through such just because you think he or she doesn't deserve a second chance, what I mean is that if the person decides to be of good behavior, not going things that goes against the rules and regulations of this FORUM, would you threat that person the way you just said it or sketched everything?

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 26, 2023, 05:56:26 PM

Like you said is only who issued the tag that can remove it, ok... What if in a situation where the member who gave the tag refused to remove it what then do you suggest the victim to do?🤔

If the tag is justified, nothing can be done, if it's not then you'd have to be the good boy everyone expects you to be, that is, being DTs little bitch, that is, to behave nicely, kissing the rings, supporting them whenever possible, and never criticizing or step out of your boundaries. Then you will have a nice little cult of little bitches circle jerking their masters left and right, either by merit, trust or verbally.

If by any chance you try to say something they don't like, they would welcome you with new tags left and right, to remind you who you were supposed to be.

If you don't want any of that, step outside your room, there is an actual world out there. ~~It's much nicer than here.~~ it's worse, there is actual blood and killings out here, don't come out, stay in this beautiful place where you can read evil, out here you have to face real evil.😢

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 23, 2023, 09:25:53 AM

I'm surprised, you are a senior member but still ask like that.

That's where you get it all wrong brother, I'm a senior member by rank on this Forum but that doesn't mean I know everything and I can't ask questions that you feel you know the answer to. If you think you have all the answers to all questions then I don't, so that's why I have to asked. Keep the ranks aside and tell me what you know that I don't.

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Maybe you need to visit the meta and reputation boards often because there you can appeal and only the member who gave the negative tag can remove it. However, it is not easy to remove the negative tag, especially if the member who received the tag is caught cheating

I don't think I need to visit meta and reputation to know all that, and you know there are situation where the offender can appeal but it will take longer before his or her appeal can be looked into. If he's caught cheating that's understandable and I will never advise for the tag to be removed.
Like you said is only who issued the tag that can remove it, ok... What if in a situation where the member who gave the tag refused to remove it what then do you suggest the victim to do?🤔

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 05, 2023, 08:58:15 PM

Have been wondering about this trust flag, trust issues or whatever is called...
Have been seeing so many accounts with numbers written on that trust position, some are of good (like the first one =) but my main concern is the one with (-).
An account with, let me say (-9) for instance, how can that be removed?
Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?
Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?
If there's, how long will it take to be approved?

I need answers...

I'm surprised, you are a senior member but still ask like that. Maybe you need to visit the meta and reputation boards often because there you can appeal and only the member who gave the negative tag can remove it. However, it is not easy to remove the negative tag, especially if the member who received the tag is caught cheating

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Quote from: digaran on October 23, 2023, 06:55:46 AM

OP, here is another joke, I tag you then you can contact me to solve our issues, you see? Either way I have the advantage if I'm on DT.

Holy Christ, @digaran are you serious about that ?
Tagging me is going to be a hell of a ride, I know you won't hear me when I start complaining oh please I don't want that , let's not get into that chapter.

Sometimes seeing these guys with red tags I begin to ask if they really care about their account or the offense being committed. First I saw it (Red Tag) always on 1xbit members and I thought I've seen it all but after sometime I started seeing much of it.
I always see those 1xbit members as Bitcointalk villains (sorry for using that word but that's how I see them), is like they're not bothered about how things goes with them and even on the Forum. Why are people so less concern about things that goes on around them?

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Quote from: digaran on October 23, 2023, 06:55:46 AM

"Trust system is not moderated" this lie should be corrected.

Not moderated in the sense that no moderator or global moderator can delete or change what a forum user has written in the trust. And trust does not refer to forum rules, which are overseen by moderators. It's just the opinions of some users about others.

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"Trust system is not moderated" this lie should be corrected. I have seen it repeatedly mentioned by everyone, if it's not moderated why all DT members are included in admin's trust list?

Maybe they need to say "we don't pay DT's to moderate the trust system"? Wait isn't earning money the sole reason as to why people game the system to get on DT?

Here is another joke I like it very much,

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"Feedback isn't moderated (except for obvious cases such as pure advertising, hundreds of identical empty/gibberish reports on one user) for the same reason as scams - too much room for abuse.

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OP, here is another joke, I tag you then you can contact me to solve our issues, you see? Either way I have the advantage if I'm on DT.

Where have I seen the same similar policy? Oh right, governments take someone or something as hostage and then say lets negotiate. (Thanks but no thanks)

Btw, read admin's policy? Opinion? Forum's official rule? Posted by jokers10, the level of respect DT members have shown to that statement is mind blowing.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 23, 2023, 05:19:51 AM

And if a person is making a change of behavior can't he be pardoned and give him or her a second chance?

I'll quote forum admin theymos as an answer for your question:

Quote from: theymos on January 30, 2020, 04:13:15 PM

Exercise a lot of forgiveness. People shouldn't be "permanently branded" as a result of small mistakes from which we've all moved past. Oftentimes, people get a rating due to unknowingly acting a bit outside of the community's consensus on appropriate behavior, and such ratings may indeed be appropriate. But if they correct the problem and don't seem likely to do it again, remove the rating or replace it with a neutral. Even if someone refuses to agree with the community consensus (ie. they refuse to back down philosophically), if they're willing to refrain from the behavior, their philosophical difference should not be used to justify a rating. For example, in the YoBit mass-ratings example above, ratings should be immediately removed after the person removes the signature, even if they maintain and continue to argue that they didn't do anything wrong. If someone agrees to "follow 'the law' without agreeing to it", that should be enough.

So right, if someone improves his behavior, proves that he is a reliable person, then some old tags which can be outdated can be deleted. But it is what should be decided on a case-by-case basis. Forgiveness is a virtue, but only if it is in a right case.

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Quote from: jokers10 on October 23, 2023, 04:25:12 AM

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 23, 2023, 03:29:50 AM

I don't know if some of this tags are deserving to those having it, is like some give the tags base on personal issues and when these victims try to defend themselves is like is not worth trying but accept it that your account isn't going to be the way it was, which is bad.
I just wish when someone appeal and even asked the user that tagged them to consider them, it should be looked into immediately, and if all the tags can't be removed it should be reduced and have something positive to say about the tagged person, I know some deserve it but to me some are ready to make amends.

Talking in general doesn't have much sense, mostly all of us are supporting good and not supporting bad. So in general the majority will always say that we are against tags based on a personal attitude. But it sometimes can happen anyway. If you are upset with some exact case then better to highlight it directly, showing why are you disappointed with it and why do you think that a tag is inappropriate. If others will agree with you, the situation has chance to change. But talking in general words will hardly change anything.

No Mr J don't get me wrong on this, what I'm trying to say is that some of these tags are sometimes not suppose to be, it might happen to be a case of misunderstanding and it happens you get? Things like that can happen.
Nobody in his right sense would see something that's bad and applaud it, is wrong and I can never be in support of anything that's going against the rules and regulations of this Forum and say is good, I can't see myself doing that.
And if a person is making a change of behavior can't he be pardoned and give him or her a second chance?
Well I think that's up to whosoever dropped the tag and I can't come against the system on this issue and being disappointed, nah I'm not.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 23, 2023, 03:29:50 AM

I don't know if some of this tags are deserving to those having it, is like some give the tags base on personal issues and when these victims try to defend themselves is like is not worth trying but accept it that your account isn't going to be the way it was, which is bad.
I just wish when someone appeal and even asked the user that tagged them to consider them, it should be looked into immediately, and if all the tags can't be removed it should be reduced and have something positive to say about the tagged person, I know some deserve it but to me some are ready to make amends.

Talking in general doesn't have much sense, mostly all of us are supporting good and not supporting bad. So in general the majority will always say that we are against tags based on a personal attitude. But it sometimes can happen anyway. If you are upset with some exact case then better to highlight it directly, showing why are you disappointed with it and why do you think that a tag is inappropriate. If others will agree with you, the situation has chance to change. But talking in general words will hardly change anything.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on October 23, 2023, 03:29:50 AM

I don't know if some of this tags are deserving to those having it, is like some give the tags base on personal issues and when these victims try to defend themselves is like is not worth trying but accept it that your account isn't going to be the way it was, which is bad.

I don't think someone who have many negative feedback were base on personal issues, usually it's around 1-3 tags only.

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I just wish when someone appeal and even asked the user that tagged them to consider them,

I think they did, but the user that tagged them isn't accept to reconsider the tag. But if they're clearly deserve the tag, they have a chance to get more tag because they bring the attention to other DT members.

I'm not supporting tag base on personal issues, but such case is already lower than few years ago.

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I don't know if some of this tags are deserving to those having it, is like some give the tags base on personal issues and when these victims try to defend themselves is like is not worth trying but accept it that your account isn't going to be the way it was, which is bad.
I just wish when someone appeal and even asked the user that tagged them to consider them, it should be looked into immediately, and if all the tags can't be removed it should be reduced and have something positive to say about the tagged person, I know some deserve it but to me some are ready to make amends.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on September 07, 2023, 12:25:37 PM

Anything regarding trust is not an issue that is taken lightly in any situation. In this case a member with as much as -9 flags, is someone that has really scammed or aggravated alot of unwanted attention. Else, a wrong tag can be contested with a good plea post, as I have seen in many cases here, and moderators and top members will be candid with their opinions and vote.

Speak about passing a reasonable judgement.

I don't know but I feel even if the matter is deliberated upon and it seems that the user in question proof himself innocent which I doubt will ever happen but I think it's still all rely on the sole persons that actually created the tag to remove them and most of this DT members (not moderator) will even hardly ever remove their flag even if they know they are wrong about the flag.

Wrong. There are instances where tag and support for a flag were retracted when the person or platform being tagged or flagged make their defense and deemed reasonable.

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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on September 07, 2023, 12:25:37 PM

Anything regarding trust is not an issue that is taken lightly in any situation. In this case a member with as much as -9 flags, is someone that has really scammed or aggravated alot of unwanted attention. Else, a wrong tag can be contested with a good plea post, as I have seen in many cases here, and moderators and top members will be candid with their opinions and vote.

Speak about passing a reasonable judgement.

I don't know but I feel even if the matter is deliberated upon and it seems that the user in question proof himself innocent which I doubt will ever happen but I think it's still all rely on the sole persons that actually created the tag to remove them and most of this DT members (not moderator) will even hardly ever remove their flag even if they know they are wrong about the flag.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 05, 2023, 08:58:15 PM

Have been wondering about this trust flag, trust issues or whatever is called...
Have been seeing so many accounts with numbers written on that trust position, some are of good (like the first one =) but my main concern is the one with (-).
An account with, let me say (-9) for instance, how can that be removed?
Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?
Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?
If there's, how long will it take to be approved?

Take for instance where a user has gotten negative trust because they had issues with integrity for issues like not completing a business started with a forum member, or not repaying a loan collected from a forum member etc. those kind of negative tags on the account is a warning to other users who may want to do business with these people, or lend money to them. Those tags will never be removed and it is well deserved because people rarely change. Not every user on the forum is of good character and reputation.

That your tags will be removed or not, depends on the severity of the offense you committed.

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Anything regarding trust is not an issue that is taken lightly in any situation. In this case a member with as much as -9 flags, is someone that has really scammed or aggravated alot of unwanted attention. Else, a wrong tag can be contested with a good plea post, as I have seen in many cases here, and moderators and top members will be candid with their opinions and vote.

Speak about passing a reasonable judgement.

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