Topic: Trust Flags!!! (Read 488 times)

In that case it means the lender was notified for not being able to meet up their deadlines, this shows a transparency and understanding between the borrower and the lender, hence at this point no flags or tags can be raised against the lender. When there's no understanding or a form of agreement may be form of mutual knowledge then it might lead to something else were someone will be tagged

Not only for that. The same person can ask another lender to borrow some money as well, and that lender will know that this person have some not yet repaid loan. It can be important while taking a decision about if to issue a loan or not.

I know I've taken note of neutral tags on a few accounts which have borrowed money here, not just for spam posting, too. The neutral tag is made immediately the money is sent out. By my understanding, I think the tag serves as a reminder to the lender to know those they've lent money to. I know the money lenders can still write out names of their debtors on a private spreadsheet and away from here but they choose to put it here. Maybe, who knows, for transparency sake. Nonetheless, I think I've seen a user or two whose time to repay loans expired but no flags were raised on them. I don't know if they actually repaid the loans but the lenders forgot to take off the tags or what.

I speak rhetorically, whatever I said is the mind set ruling the environment here.
Personally? I don't care if a bunch of people are cheating, as long as they don't spam and derail conversations and contribute, all they will take eventually would be at most $1m per year? The real concern is about the ICO/ordinal/NFT scams or other services where they can collect millions in a month and disappear or keep milking people for years. On forum sig/bounty cheating and other pity subjects are insignificant.

I would never burden myself with such power, one single mistake could destroy all the goods you have done in the eyes of God.
It's a hard task to be a judge, I don't deserve it. If I do judge people, because I hold no authority, however if I'm mistaken, I would correct it.

Don't you think that would be hash and too hard on the victim? Not everybody would want to dance to the tune of those who issued the tags, it may even make some abandon the account and open another one just to be free from such humiliation. To me if they plead and is not answered is best to just show them that you're not the same person that did wrong (it will be hard) but continue begging to be freed from those tags.


That's like you don't have a say anymore in this Forum, you can't even air out something you feel is wrong or right and if someone ask what you think about something concerning whosoever dropped the tag you'd just say nothing only good words, mean while you have so much to say against that person, that's being in a prison without bars.


@digaran if it were you holding such power over someone (who did bad then and want to change) would you let that person pass through such just because you think he or she doesn't deserve a second chance, what I mean is that if the person decides to be of good behavior, not going things that goes against the rules and regulations of this FORUM, would you threat that person the way you just said it or sketched everything?

If the tag is justified, nothing can be done, if it's not then you'd have to be the good boy everyone expects you to be, that is, being DTs little bitch, that is, to behave nicely, kissing the rings, supporting them whenever possible, and never criticizing or step out of your boundaries.  Then you will have a nice little cult of little bitches circle jerking their masters left and right, either by merit, trust or verbally.

If by any chance you try to say something they don't like, they would welcome you with new tags left and right, to remind you who you were supposed to be.

If you don't want any of that, step outside your room, there is an actual world out there.  It's much nicer than here. it's worse, there is actual blood and killings out here, don't come out, stay in this beautiful place where you can read evil, out here you have to face real evil.😢

That's where you get it all wrong brother, I'm a senior member by rank on this Forum but that doesn't mean I know everything and I can't ask questions that you feel you know the answer to. If you think you have all the answers to all questions then I don't, so that's why I have to asked. Keep the ranks aside and tell me what you know that I don't.


I don't think I need to visit meta and reputation to know all that, and you know there are situation where the offender can appeal but it will take longer before his or her appeal can be looked into. If he's caught cheating that's understandable and I will never advise for the tag to be removed.
Like you said is only who issued the tag that can remove it, ok... What if in a situation where the member who gave the tag refused to remove it what then do you suggest the victim to do?🤔

I'm surprised, you are a senior member but still ask like that. Maybe you need to visit the meta and reputation boards often because there you can appeal and only the member who gave the negative tag can remove it. However, it is not easy to remove the negative tag, especially if the member who received the tag is caught cheating

Holy Christ, @digaran are you serious about that ?
Tagging me is going to be a hell of a ride, I know you won't hear me when I start complaining oh please I don't want that , let's not get into that chapter.

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Sometimes seeing these guys with red tags I begin to ask if they really care about their account or the offense being committed. First I saw it (Red Tag) always on 1xbit members and I thought I've seen it all but after sometime I started seeing much of it.
I always see those 1xbit members as Bitcointalk villains (sorry for using that word but that's how I see them), is like they're not bothered about how things goes with them and even on the Forum. Why are people so less concern about things that goes on around them?

Not moderated in the sense that no moderator or global moderator can delete or change what a forum user has written in the trust. And trust does not refer to forum rules, which are overseen by moderators. It's just the opinions of some users about others.

"Trust system is not moderated" this lie should be corrected. I have seen it repeatedly mentioned by everyone, if it's not moderated why all DT members are included in admin's trust list?

Maybe they need to say "we don't pay DT's to moderate the trust system"?  Wait isn't earning money the sole reason as to why people game the system to get on DT?

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Here is another joke I like it very much, my heroes! 😉

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OP, here is another joke, I tag you then you can contact me to solve our issues, you see? Either way I have the advantage if I'm on DT.

Where have I seen the same similar policy? Oh right, governments take someone or something as hostage and then say lets negotiate. (Thanks but no thanks)

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Btw, read admin's policy? Opinion? Forum's official rule? Posted by jokers10, the level of respect DT members have shown to that statement is mind blowing.

I'll quote forum admin theymos as an answer for your question:


So right, if someone improves his behavior, proves that he is a reliable person, then some old tags which can be outdated can be deleted. But it is what should be decided on a case-by-case basis. Forgiveness is a virtue, but only if it is in a right case.

No Mr J don't get me wrong on this, what I'm trying to say is that some of these tags are sometimes not suppose to be, it might happen to be a case of misunderstanding and it happens you get? Things like that can happen.
Nobody in his right sense would see something that's bad and applaud it, is wrong and I can never be in support of anything that's going against the rules and regulations of this Forum and say is good, I can't see myself doing that.
And if a person is making a change of behavior can't he be pardoned and give him or her a second chance?
Well I think that's up to whosoever dropped the tag and I can't come against the system on this issue and being disappointed, nah I'm not.

Talking in general doesn't have much sense, mostly all of us are supporting good and not supporting bad. So in general the majority will always say that we are against tags based on a personal attitude. But it sometimes can happen anyway. If you are upset with some exact case then better to highlight it directly, showing why are you disappointed with it and why do you think that a tag is inappropriate. If others will agree with you, the situation has chance to change. But talking in general words will hardly change anything.

I don't think someone who have many negative feedback were base on personal issues, usually it's around 1-3 tags only.

I think they did, but the user that tagged them isn't accept to reconsider the tag. But if they're clearly deserve the tag, they have a chance to get more tag because they bring the attention to other DT members.

I'm not supporting tag base on personal issues, but such case is already lower than few years ago.

I don't know if some of this tags are deserving to those having it, is like some give the tags base on personal issues and when these victims try to defend themselves is like is not worth trying but accept it that your account isn't going to be the way it was, which is bad.
I just wish when someone appeal and even asked the user that tagged them to consider them, it should be looked into immediately, and if all the tags can't be removed it should be reduced and have something positive to say about the tagged person, I know some deserve it but to me some are ready to make amends.

Wrong. There are instances where tag and support for a flag were retracted when the person or platform being tagged or flagged make their defense and deemed reasonable.

I don't know but I feel even if the matter is deliberated upon and it seems that the user in question proof himself innocent which I doubt will ever happen but I think it's still all rely on the sole persons that actually created the tag to remove them and most of this DT members (not moderator) will even hardly ever remove their flag even if they know they are wrong about the flag.

Take for instance where a user has gotten negative trust because they had issues with integrity for issues like not completing a business started with a forum member, or not repaying a loan collected from a forum member etc. those kind of negative tags on the account is a warning to other users who may want to do business with these people, or lend money to them. Those tags will never be removed and it is well deserved because people rarely change. Not every user on the forum is of good character and reputation.

That your tags will be removed or not, depends on the severity of the offense you committed.

Anything regarding trust is not an issue that is taken lightly in any situation. In this case a member with as much as -9 flags, is someone that has really scammed or aggravated alot of unwanted attention. Else, a wrong tag can be contested with a good plea post, as I have seen in many cases here, and moderators and top members will be candid with their opinions and vote.

Speak about passing a reasonable judgement.

Trust is being tampered with depending on the impression a user has created for themselves on the forum. If any user creates a good impression on the forum, they can receive a positive tag, but if they create a bad impression, depending on how bad the situation is, they will receive a negative tag, and those tags can only be removed if those DTs that taged the account have any good reason to remove a tag. But tags are mostly used for users carrying out transactions on the forum, and the tags show how reputable you are in terms of business. There is no panel to judge whether you should bear the tag or not, but depending on the situation, some users can intervene on your behalf, stating the reason why you should not be taged or why an already existing tag should be removed. I can come across an account that is already bearing about 5 negative and 2 neutral tags because the account lied about something, and since he can't clear himself of that shit, those tags will remain on his account, and there is no panel on the forum to judge against why the account is tagged. If the DTs find reason to untag him, they will do so.

Well, the forum does not moderate scams, we help each other by warning about potential threads, so yeah, those accounts are not banned. But on those cases, I'll say the fault is entirely at the hand of those people. The warnings are there, those orange numbers are not just for aesthetic purpose. The forum has given their effort to warn about the scammers and the ponzi schemes through tagging them. If people are still lured by the promise of easy return, then their greed is the one to be blamed here.

Bro I have also noticed there are plenty of accounts with negative rating but they are not banned and they lute a lot of new people in their ponzy schemes. And they stole so much money from the.

There's no panel but if someone was tagged to that number or more it obviously means something serious was committed by the person and let say it was a misunderstanding, he can only change those feedback to neutral by making up for it. Let say funds where lost from an escrow  account on the forum and the account got tagged. If they worked with the victim to resolved the issue, the community can be understating and removed the feedback but a neutral will be left for future reference. There are some crime though that if committed by an account on the forum and they're tagged, it automatically means the account is ruined forever on the forum like when an account intentional scammed people, even when the funds are refunded I don't think the account reputation can even be restored.


Just as others have said, trust feedback and flags are different. Flags aren't to be used always unless the scenario on each flag is committed like a breached of contract for type 3 flag and others below

That's right, but if a DT member has a strong belief that some tag is not appropriate he can leave his own tag with explanation why a tag of someone else should not be considered. The one who will read the feedback can make his own conclusions about the case. So it is impossible to counter someone's tag mathematically, but DT member can do it in words.

But it happens so rare that someone from DT leaves so debatable tag that someone else wants to say something in counteract. I saw such tags once or twice.

That's quite terrible, some time ago I also thought about this, how to erase negative beliefs, but from your explanation I understand that there is no other way to erase negative beliefs, except maybe because of the generosity/initiative from DT who gives the sign itself can delete it.

To fight this may be more positive trust tags, but that also does not guarantee fully. (possible)

A bit added info for this part, a DT-member can't counter the negative tag with positive, per se, as how it used to work. Previously, when a negative [-1] is perceived as unfair, a DT can jump in and countered with positive [+1], both scores will negate each other. But with the recent system, both scores "co-exist" and what's shown in someone's profile is the total scores, e.g., if someone has 4 negatives [-4] and 5 positives [+5], it will no longer shows -0/0/+1, but rather -4/0/+5

From little I have learnt so far Op, flag and trust aren't the same because flag show strong evidence that such person have violated some agreements between two parties or for instance, you have a money deal and you promised to pay in few months to come and its happens that you didn't respond to the agreement or have refused to pay as promised this may warrant the opposite to create flag since you didn't refund the money. Then trust to me is like you aren't being honest since or likely to scam someone at this point giving a negative trust is possible, but if someone speak hate of you or do not judge a case in your favor doesn't need a negative trust but however neutral tag can be given to such person if actually is deem necessary otherwise no need. You can educate yourself more better over here, although there have been several good respond you can actually look into as well.

It depends not on amount of negative and positive tags, it depends on for what reason those tags were left. If the problem was overcome and was not so big while positive feedback is left for important things, then negative feedback can have less importance. But if opposite...

In some cases even neutral tags and untrusted feedback can have sense. So it's better not to rely on a future positive feedback which possibly will be more important. It's better to try to not to get any feedback of negative kind, as far as it's possible.

If the account contains one or two negative trusts, it is not a big problem if the user has many positive trusts. Your campaign manager has - 2 trust, and yet many projects trust him with more than 1k trust.
It is rare to find a person who has a - 9 negative trust without one of them indicating that he is a scammer or has previously scammed someone.

What account are you talking about, and what are feedbacks next to each trust? Is it based on evidence, or is it personal or for reasons far from trust? These are all indicators that determine whether you will trust him or not.

In addition to what’s already been said so far, and having separated Trust from Flags (they’re two different sets of feedback, though often related), focusing on the Trust System, one interesting thing to know is that feedback and scores provided by inactive accounts will remain there forever (or so to say).
By this I mean that, since Trust feedback can only be removed by the person who gave the feedback (and often chances are slim of this actually happening), they are even worse if the giver’s account goes off the grid (0 chance) ...

Now people often just look at the Trust scores (numbers), and assume that the account is untrustworthy because of the numbers they see, though one should take that as an indicator, and dig into the feedback itself (both Trusted and Untrusted) to see the descriptive nature of that negative Trust.

Bear in mind that Trust counter values (positive; neutral; negative) display values based on your Trust list. The vast majority used the default Trust list, whilst a reduced set of people use a Customized Trust list (like I do). The values one sees on these counters may differ to those seen with a default Trust list (i.e. I could be seeing +0 / =0 / -2 whilst you could be seeing +0 / =0 / -1), and the feedback could visually move section from Trusted feedback to Untrusted feedback or vice-versa).

The counters show only values derived from your Trust list (be it default or custom), and correlate to what´s seen on the Trusted Feedback (meaning not under the Untrusted feedback section). Since, as said, most people have a default Trust List (level 2), Feedback from the DT network (up to level 2) are what count towards the Trust counters for the most. That’s why, in general terms, people are more concerned with trust received from DT1/DT2 than with trust received from other accounts. Note that DT members vary over time, which may change the impression of the received feedback one way or another.

And no, trusted feedback has historically not always been used in accordance to what it was intended for (commerce related). For example, my trust profile has a bunch of positive feedback which is not commerce related. It also includes 2 negative ratings under Untrusted feedback, both retaliation for having tagged them first.

This trust system makes this forum environment feel decentralized. The trust system is not moderated so anyone can give you a negative or positive trust but a trust rating from DT members matters. It's not like a centralized authority where the leader selects whom to trust and others follow his commands. I saw DT members arguing with each other on different topics. So if a DT member puts a negative trust rating with inequity then sometimes other DT members talk against it. So they always try to be careful when putting a trust rating on someone.

A user with many negative reviews often acquires a reputation as a scammer for a very long time, which is almost impossible to get rid of. Because the violation by someone who received numerous negative tags had been severe or many users reacted to it.
When entering into a deal with a person who received a negative tag, you should take responsibility and think several times that once they acted wrongly, this user can be cunning in other situations. No wonder we call it reputation.
But of course, if you see single red tags that do not speak of some global violation but are just a play of power by another DT, you should not be very prejudiced toward your opponent.

There's nothing stopping you from trading with the user who has received negative feedback and there's nothing stopping you from posting a positive feedback, if you believe that the user is trustworthy.
If you believe that the feedbacks posted by a user are wrong, you can simply distrust the user, so that the feedbacks posted by him are not shown as trusted feedback for you.


If you believe that the negative feedback has been posted wrongly, post a topic about that in "reputation" board. In the case DT1 members agree with you, they will distrust the user.

Mehn...so confused no doubt, with what you said... What if that particular users was given the negative feedback for the wrong reason but I still decide to trade with him/her and it turns out to be different like the trade was successful?



Then is going to be like a grudge, sometimes both users might have a misunderstanding and instead of settling it amicablely one of the grudge part would just drop the bomb shell just to punish the other user for no reason and in some cases the one who dropped the feedback won't want to remove it even if he's being told to, so if such happens is there no other way apart from the person that did it?

Nope. If you distrust someone, his feedback won't be visible to you no matter whether he is DT member or not.

Sexylizzy2813, I feel you are confusing feedbacks with flags.
You can post a feedback for any user of the forum and its type can be positive, neutral or negative. If you believe trading with a user is highly risky, you can add a flag.

The user who has posted the feedback is the only one who can remove it.


You won't get positive trust by DT members because someone has wrongly given you negative trust.
If someone has given you a negative trust and other DT1 members disagree with that, they can distrust the user who gave you a negative trust to remove him/her from default trust list.


Not only DT2 members. Even DT1 members can be removed from the default trust list.
If you are eligible for being a DT1 member, you would be removed from the default trust list, in the case the number of DT1 members who distrust you is bigger than the number of DT1 members who trust you.

Although most of accounts that got many negative feedbacks are scammers, but there's an exception like few very known users who're get few negative feedback and still able to participate in signature campaign. This because the users are highly knowledgeable or many users are trust them more than the users that not trust them.

Feedback isn't last forever, but if there's an user leave a feedback and passed away, the feedback will last forever as long as he's still in DT network.

Only the person who gave them the negative belief can remove it. Usually, if the level of trust has reached level (-9), it means that the account has made heavy customers, especially since the references attached to the trust left by DT members show valid evidence of the mistakes made. Yes, that would be an incurable wound for those caught by DT members deliberately dodging forum bans, because an unmoderated belief system is very difficult to wipe out entire Red trust (DT members have different perceptions on the level of bans that the perpetrator avoids).
It's useless to appeal, it won't change anything. DT members remain in principle, they do not easily revoke Red trust on accounts that have committed violations that have been determined in the forum.

The first thing you should be clear about is the difference between trust feedback and trust flags. The trust feedback is what you can see in the profile in green, red or black. Green is for positive feedback, red for negative feedback and black for neutral feedback. In theory red and green are for managing trading risk, for example if you make a successful trade with someone on the forum, you can leave positive feedback. If, on the other hand, he scammed you, you leave negative feedback. In this case it would be convenient to add a trust flag, which you have a whole thread to read about.

Trust flags

About the rest I think you have been answered well, like if someone leaves you negative feedback, you can open a thread in the Reputation section, although I would recommend you to send them a PM first asking them to remove it, and whether they remove it or not will depend on the person.

That is what the Reputation board is all about. Once you feel you have been wrongly tagged, you create a thread on reputation board and the members will look into it, if it is true that tag was actually wrong then those who left the tag will definitely remove it or at most change it to neutral base on the new information they finds out.

In a scenario where one user who creates flag doesn’t wants to change it after substantial evidence has been found then other DT members will oppose the flag and if the number supersedes the supporters then it would not be visible.


Isn’t this applicable only to non-DT members. Because I think even if you distrust a DT member it will still be visible, on that of non-DT wouldn’t (I am not sure on this though).

Who left those trust feedbacks are able to removed it.

Other forum members can affect DT2 member list so can have impacts on visibility of trust feedback.

The user can hide that trust feedback by adding users who left those trust feedback to his distrust list.

If it is scam and was left those feedbacks by DT members, almost stay forever especially the example with very deep negative.

Beginners guide to correct use of Trust system.

One thing you should keep in mind is that; the trust system is not moderated, so moderators and admins don’t usually interfere in issues that concerns negative trust usage. The only way that a user can remove the neg-trust in his profile is when the person that gave him/her in the first place decide to remove it, you can’t remove yourself neither can other members do it for you.

Another thing I have witnessed is, when you’re wrongly accused and given a neg tag and it’s obvious that it was not worth a negative tag a DT-member can counter the tag with a positive tag i.e write against the negative tag so that anyone going through your trust feedback would be able to know that you were wrongly accused. But I’m cases where the accusations were correct you won’t be able to remove your tags.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

Have been wondering about this trust flag, trust issues or whatever is called...
Have been seeing so many accounts with numbers written on that trust position, some are of good (like the first one =) but my main concern is the one with (-).
An account with, let me say (-9) for instance, how can that be removed?
Does it mean that it will be like a scar on those affected account forever?
Is there no panel that someone with that kind of negative number (negative trust) such as (-9) go to, like to appeal for it to be removed?
If there's, how long will it take to be approved?

I need answers...