Topic: Trust System (Read 557 times)

Why'd anyone need to elaborate, your circle even gets to contact people to remove ratings. You perhaps just want to get people angry so you can say they harassing you or something... yes this is the kind of hoes that reigning around.

Vod you just pukable tho, fake accusations and just waiting for the wrong word, all you say to vod can and will be used against you.
All you and your circle are is a bunch of circle cock suckers that will lie and create drama to maintain their status.

I hope your last comment about me will not be making fun of mental illness and those who support it, much like you made fun of my stroke.  As you hide your stolen coins, hear the pleas from your countryman and your community.  Have you done anything to help me?  Have you done anything to help anyone with your half million donation surplus?

Do you have anything to say to me, Mr. OgN?   Anything at all?

I've seen a lot of name calling from you. "shady use of the trust system" sounds like something new yo just made up. Care to elaborate? Rhetorical question.


I never thought you would.


Let me put you at ease here - not going to happen. Mainly because I don't have a "little trust manipulation network".


Again, perfectly fine, not the least because I don't demand anything from you.


If you want to observe me eating those buffalo wings that's fine too.


My partner will be upset by your careless use of plural here. Not cool.

Vote for OgNasty! In fact, it's nice to see members of the forum who are not indifferent to this problem! Do you have any thoughts on how to break this system?

Your hypocrite stance aside, don’t mistake me calling out your shady use of the trust system as me caring what you think. I would honestly feel worse if I were included in your little trust manipulation network. I damn sure am not going to be like everyone else and bow to your demands and look the other way of your greasy actions in order to avoid harassment from your partners.

Let me check... nope, all your bullshit red tags are still in place. Once you remove those I may consider your opinion on trust system matters.

No the system is not perfect.  At least you recognize the problem.  Now when you realize that you are one of the people who are largely responsible for this problem with your behavior in a few more years, you can have some sort of awakening and change the type of behavior you support.  Chances are you'll be completely irrelevant by then and most of the people you were harassing with your behavior will have moved on to enjoy their lives doing other things so it won't be as beneficial as it could be if you were to have this awakening now, but they say that all people come to the same conclusion eventually.  The test of intelligence is how long it takes them to get there.  I look forward to seeing how long it takes you. 

Perhaps you`re right. Otherwise, i then dont understand the disgrace going on in the trust system. Obviously,system doesnt work the way it was intended.

Are you really naive or are you pretending?
The forum have near 600 active members at all. Almost 3/4 - is the signature spammers. They only write here as long as they are paid for posts.
Nobody really cares about any reputation. Lies and hypocrisy in almost every post of "legends" and "heroes" here.

If JG tagged you because you thanked someone for returning money, that's wrong and he should be hung above an anthill with honey on his genitals for a few hours.

If JG tagged you because you made up unproven stories, then he is not calling you a scammer and the trust system is working.    Anyone who believes what you write will ignore that trust anyway, as JG did not come to your conclusion that you scammed. 

tldr; If the feedback is useless, don't worry about it.

I don't want to spread hate but even I have a useless feedback on my profile.

Betking was returning funds to users and I wasn't aware of their history and I by mistake appreciated that move by betking.

I was tagged and still am tagged dspite apologizing but honestly I don't understand if I actually made that big a mistake.

The trust system on the forum is not working as it was meant to be, I never scammed anyone nor I even supported any scammer but just because I appreciated someone returning other's money, I was tagged.

Some projects were looking very much legit and could easily mislead even some educated crypto investors. Fo example monetha.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-ico-monetha-decentralised-reputation-with-built-in-payments-1978067 - Thread is closed to avoid uncomfortable questions.

Lithuanian scam organized by a stripper Justas Pikelis who was posing as a crypto ertenpenior but later was exposed by forum members. That guy was a night bar stripper. He and his partners found a former paypal executive manager Eric Duprat via linkedin and offered him to participate in a new crypto project. At that time Duprat was unemployed and struggling financially. So he said yes. After he appeared in the team in 2017 during  ICO boom that project received 38 million dollars in the first opening day of ICO. Tokens were sold for 0.4 USD but after the listing the price decreased only and now the price is $0.02079 and 24h volume is $900. And a few basic verifications like you said did not help at all. There was no white paper and nothing was delivered at the end of the project. (Just some shitty app made by a student for $500) It was all Eric Duprat who had no idea what was going on and who was just posing as a team member. He received his $1.5 million and was very happy. Was that a giveaway to some unknown place on the internet as another of our colleagues mentioned. I do not think so. Some scams are well organized and even a veteran forum member can fall for it. Read about BTC gold that I mentioned above.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-gold-a-well-thought-scam-2253633

A few years ago Theymos asked me to present any proof that OG was doing something dishonest.  I spent a couple years collecting the evidence while it was being deleted, then I find out Theymos knew about the ponzi the entire time. 

So don't believe that.  Talk to the growing number of people trying to recover stolen coins and ask them about Theymos' "non-legal, non-violent" way of hodling their coins.

I think we're already in a new bubble and it's partly responsible for the Bitcoin rise too:



I mean who in their right mind would be paying 30%+ APR for fake dollars if not to gamble on the various shit-defi tokens and perhaps on BTC and ETH. The new twist about this bubble is that the defi nonsense allows dumb greedy kids to overleverage themselves so when it all comes crashing down they will be more broke than in 2018.

The size of this defi thing is $70 billion. Makes the Robinhood redditors look like fucking amateurs.

Yep, I don't doubt that for one second--but Theymos generally keeps his hands off of the DT membership and their behavior.  If a DT member is leaving feedbacks like those, it's kind of up to other DTs to exclude the person who's leaving wrong negatives like those. 

And yes, it is a very imperfect system and there has been a lot of misuse of it and that probably won't stop completely, since anyone can leave feedback for anyone else and trust isn't moderated.  Hopefully DT members are doing the best they can to clean their own house, so to speak.  That's how it's always worked (and sometimes it doesn't work very well).

See the dirty turds thread in meta although there are many updates that should be added to keep it current.

loyceV is a scammer protector. He deliberately deleted a post requesting flag support even when the flag was based on independently verifiable evidence of scamming that is undeniable.
Besides that he is a moron. I would take any guide that snake makes and examine it very closely before following it.

Dont be fooled by high cycled merit scores and DT1 membership.
Well these are usually signs of corrupt self serving weasels and they'll be wearing chipmixer or other highly paid sigs.

There is no rules for red tags now since the flag system.
But even those trust abused under the old system get to have their abuse magnified and grandfathered into the dumb design..
If you need clarity or evidence just ask.
It's a shit show and highly dangerous.

The latest one is.... you can be given a tag for publically responding to a tagged person.
Even if you were stating the verifiable truth.

Some of the mods are as bad as DT and on the same sigs payrolls.

Theymos himself? Who knows. I think he just doesnt care honestly.
Maybe he thinks I've tried to design a trust system I'm not messing around with it anymore let the kids fight it out.
Problem is merit and trust killed the forum.
Many elder members are not happy with the trust or merit system  but are rich so cant be bothered to help fix the forum that made them wealthy. They are also to blame. Theymos good or bad? Who knows. He seems weird to me  I actually believe he knows very little about the forum or its members. He sticks to his meta circle of sycophants who dont care about bct only milking it but he thinks they are his pals so let's them run riot over other less greedy real enthusiasts for the movement.
I mean he designed this mess but just washes his hands of it.

I mean sure he could be a lot worse. But could be a lot better too.
I like cobra more mostly because he recognized real bad guys when he saw them.
Theymos just thinks everyone is good deep down but then hates any criticism of his designs.
He is used to everyone kissing his ass and lost the ability to discern sneaky greedy scum from noisy but decent people who want to see satoshis principles followed thoroughly.
Gmax can be a bit rude but he is straight and simply follows logic and reason.
A bit machine like but consistent and will give transparent open explanation to his opinions.
He should have helped theymos design something more sensible for bct control systems.

Red tags = scammer, setting up a scam, attempting to scam or posing a direct financial danger to members.

Anything else is trust abuse.

I would also red tag people for promulgating as true conclusively debunked information repeatedly after being warned.
That is trolling at the highest level.

I mean there are no other people aside from DT mods admin and special characters that can get things changed for the better.
Discussing what is permitted and not generally is a waste of time but is good for historical purposes and a cathartic release
The greedy and driven generally are not easy to defeat entirely but it's fun to bitch slap them around in public so they can run and hide or be picked apart for the objective witness to observe. Slimy weasels.

So yes in theory it is okay because other DT will not do anything for red tags for any reason.
Even under the old system a.mod of 6yrs said to a real legend here that it was okay for them to be tagged if they said they liked lemons.
What did theymos say? Nothing ... but told the abused real legend to shut up moaning the boring long winded bastard.
That legend made us all super wealthy and smashed the biggest scams here.

Lol.

False sense of security is a big one.  There are so many scams around, the mods would be busy just trying to keep up.  There's no way the small team of forum mods could effectively mitigate the hundreds (maybe thousands) of scams that pop up.  Any attempt to do so, would lead many to fall for the ones that haven't been addressed.

Then we would have to rely on, or trust that moderators have our best interest in mind.  Bias is real, we're all human and vulnerable to it.  If a mod was employed by one project or another the community might see that as a blemish on the system.  Even if a mod was a employed by a legitimate project, any attempt to expose a competing project as a scam might come across as a conflict of interest.  That happens already, and theymos is smart to remain unaffiliated.  

It's really best for the forum to remain neutral in these situations.


This was one of the reasons I joined the forum back in 2018; to research the shitcoin claims.  I believe ICOs were in full bloom at that time, right after the 2017 ATH.  I know I've learned a lot since then, that most (if not all) alt coins are worthless.

If history is any indicator, we're just a few months away from another ICO boom.  Some of my coworkers have asked me about one shitcoin or another in recent weeks, always with the same premise: "Have you heard about xyz coin?  It's supposed to be the next bitcoin..."  Of course I cringe and have to reign in their enthusiasm, telling that every shitcoin in existence has promised to upend bitcoin, yet none have.

I wouldn't mind if the forum did away with the Altcoin boards, I haven't visited them in a while.  I don't see that happening, though.  There's a significant economy in those boards, and I can only imagine that a portion of the forums income comes from those sections.

But even if that mitigates the issue, it wouldn't solve it.  There are plenty of scam exchanges, scam mixers, bitcoin doublers, and it's only a matter of time before scammers start emulating the RobinHood model of crypto futures, which I believe is a new form of scam on it's own accord.

It's not forbidden, but it's not really the best thing to do (unless you like dramas).
The best answer is given here in the LoyceV guide :

Mods are not perfect judges (no one is perfect). If you meet a stranger on the street and he asks you for 100$ and tells you he will give you 200$ back tomorrow, will you blindly give him the 100$ ? It's the same thing here, and just because it's a crypto-thing doesn't mean you have to give your money away without doing a few basic verifications.

Let me make this simple.

The trust system is a protection racket.
They will red tag you for presenting independently verifiable evidence of DT members scamming.
They will block legitmate warnings of scamming.

If you want evidence ask me. Suchmoon is one such DT member.
All of DT1 are either deliberate scammer protectors or worse

There are a few okay ones but they are too scared of having their sigs pulled and being red tagged themselves.

I mean if you can debunk anything I say that would be great.
Dont get me wrong. I actually want to be wrong.

The majority of DT1 now are noob trash no coiners that will seek to retain their grasp on the highest paying sigs and other rev streams at all costs. Or elder members that are complete losers that are still not wealthy.

I have posted about it a few times, but I'll keep this somewhat short.
The trust system is trying to do a few things and there are groups that feel it should be done differently.

But, in my view, the trust system should be used for trading / dealing with people and letting people know if you can TRUST them to DO WHAT THEY SAY.
Did you send them BTC and they shipped the miner / collectable token / whatever. Then positive trust.
Did you send them BTC and they sent you the 100% worthless shit coin / eth token / whatever then you know what. They did what they said. Either no trust / neutral trust or positive trust.
If you walk into a car dealer and say "Sell me that rusted out crap box in the corner that does not run for $230,0000 then you know what. That is on you.

Scams are not moderated here, and people tend to take that personally. Sorry, we as a forum are not you mom, do your own research. If you send out money to some unknown place on the internet and get ripped off, that's on you. Not the trust system.

Now people here have been using the trust system to peruse their own views of justice or what is right or wrong.
It's not going to be stopped. So you really have to look at what is posted.

Links to deals not complete, links showing that someone said "A" and then did "B". Are all good.
If I tell you that if you buy this token for $.001 and it's going be $20.00 tomorrow and you believe me. That's yet again on you.

With the "Shitty person" "Meritted a scammer" comments, if you post them and I see it, I tend to ignore you from that point on. I may give you a ~ in my trust list. I should probably do that more, but that's on me being lazy.

-Dave