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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 25, 2015, 03:53:44 AM

Quote from: Duomo on December 24, 2015, 07:21:14 PM

I don't understand what is wrong with your thinking. You are asking for 50BTC, okay count them all the way from one to fifty. 50BTC is $22,800 (U.S.D), you are asking random people you have never met in your life and will never meet again for almost $23,000. Do you think anyone will give this you? Then the argument is I am not thief because I haven't stolen any money here yet, well no one here trusts you to give you that money. After you take that money, you are a thief, but no one will give you money to steal so you are not a thief. So you are just a person requesting a large sum of money because you don't have any money. So finally, the answer is no. You made a stupid request and you just don't understand.

Debating with him is useless, he's just gonna keep saying "But you don't have proof, you can't call me a scammer hurr durr"
I think we should just let this topic dead and ignore him because there is no way he will admit he was wrong Tongue

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Debating with him is useless

Because you know that i am right.

teddy5145

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Quote from: Duomo on December 24, 2015, 07:21:14 PM

I don't understand what is wrong with your thinking. You are asking for 50BTC, okay count them all the way from one to fifty. 50BTC is $22,800 (U.S.D), you are asking random people you have never met in your life and will never meet again for almost $23,000. Do you think anyone will give this you? Then the argument is I am not thief because I haven't stolen any money here yet, well no one here trusts you to give you that money. After you take that money, you are a thief, but no one will give you money to steal so you are not a thief. So you are just a person requesting a large sum of money because you don't have any money. So finally, the answer is no. You made a stupid request and you just don't understand.

Debating with him is useless, he's just gonna keep saying "But you don't have proof, you can't call me a scammer hurr durr"
I think we should just let this topic dead and ignore him because there is no way he will admit he was wrong Tongue

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I don't understand what is wrong with your thinking. You are asking for 50BTC, okay count them all the way from one to fifty. 50BTC is $22,800 (U.S.D), you are asking random people you have never met in your life and will never meet again for almost $23,000. Do you think anyone will give this you? Then the argument is I am not thief because I haven't stolen any money here yet, well no one here trusts you to give you that money. After you take that money, you are a thief, but no one will give you money to steal so you are not a thief. So you are just a person requesting a large sum of money because you don't have any money. So finally, the answer is no. You made a stupid request and you just don't understand.

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I dare you to post that loan request on hackforums

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Quote from: KWH on December 23, 2015, 11:33:02 AM

Nope, it's not Trust abuse. Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback, especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves. The key is to make sure it isn't frivolous feedback resulting in the dilution of your own reputation.
Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

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Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback

That's where the abuse comes in. They can ruin anyone's reputation without any reason.

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especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves

Why call him "thief" if he is a "suspected thief" ?
What is the reason that you are suspecting him to be a thief.

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Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

That doesn't make any sense. Asking for a reason or proof that someone have done this thing in past is not a "red herring".

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Quote from: s1ng on December 23, 2015, 09:21:59 AM

Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )

But sir i am not asking for 1 million so there is big difference...

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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 08:59:29 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:42:36 AM

Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 03:00:31 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

Oh for real, you created the topic in front of the public to see and it is fair for you to reveal the information to public, how about you reveal the information to me, then i can bring it to the public
Assuming you do have the legit proof Tongue

Why to give information to those who are not interested?
It's like telling someone something which he is not interested in listening - means wasting your and his time.

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Quote from: Vod on December 23, 2015, 07:01:24 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:44:12 AM

Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

I'm sure you understand that if I revealed how I knew you were a scammer, you would use that to create another account I could not detect.

But trust me, I have proven 100% you are a scammer.

Sir, after all the negative comments and criticism i am not going to create another to receive the same thing. I am going to use only my this account to fight this thing.
And if you are so sure why don't you tell other people so they can also use your method to be safe from scammers ??

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Nope, it's not Trust abuse. Anyone can leave whatever they want as feedback, especially if they are leaving as a warning for suspected thieves. The key is to make sure it isn't frivolous feedback resulting in the dilution of your own reputation.
Your continued posturing for "proof of scam" is a red herring.

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Quote from: s1ng on December 23, 2015, 09:21:59 AM

Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )

Well you know the old one "If it's too good to be true..."
Just use your common sense in detecting scammers. It's quite easy.

s1ng

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Imagine if you have unknown people that knock out your door. Once you open it, there is someone looking for $ 1 million loan and will give you back $ 33.333,33 per day
How do you feel then ?

For me, I fell that I'm still don't know him very well so I can accuse him as a scammer ( just at my thought )

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:42:36 AM

Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 03:00:31 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

Oh for real, you created the topic in front of the public to see and it is fair for you to reveal the information to public, how about you reveal the information to me, then i can bring it to the public
Assuming you do have the legit proof Tongue

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 06:44:12 AM

Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

I'm sure you understand that if I revealed how I knew you were a scammer, you would use that to create another account I could not detect.

But trust me, I have proven 100% you are a scammer.

AliTraders

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Quote from: Vod on December 23, 2015, 03:21:20 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer. I hope you understand I can't reveal my methods for determining so, or else you would create another scammer account a different way.

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I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer.

Let me see the proof, Vod. Not only me let everyone see the proof that i am a scammer. Bring it to public.

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Quote from: teddy5145 on December 23, 2015, 03:00:31 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

Sir, if you kindly read my thread i have said that if any lender is interested he can contact me and i will provide each and every information about company and how the investment is going to work.

Vod

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

I have absolute 100% proof you are a scammer. I hope you understand I can't reveal my methods for determining so, or else you would create another scammer account a different way.

teddy5145

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 23, 2015, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

Big loans without any proof and wouldn't want to reveal any information = scamming
You get it yet or do i have to lend you my common sense ?
This is Bitcoin version of Nigerian scams Grin

Also you keep saying people shouldn't call anyone scammer without proof
Where's the proof of your investment oil company Roll Eyes

people been asking for that but somehow you always dodging that question Tongue

AliTraders

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Quote from: Maskedman on December 23, 2015, 12:03:56 AM

It's not abuse... It's your fault for taking out ridiculous unsecured loans.

Sir, it's not about asking for big loans. It's about calling someone scammer without any proof.

AliTraders

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Quote from: subSTRATA on December 23, 2015, 12:06:47 AM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 11:00:35 PM

Quote from: subSTRATA on December 22, 2015, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words.

lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up.
kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable."
are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid."
probably the latter. does it make more sense now?

First of all thank you for your well explained example.
But i am not a kid and yes if you read my thread i have been saying that i will give each and every information about how the investment will work and how we will be getting 2BTC daily.

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Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 11:00:35 PM

Quote from: subSTRATA on December 22, 2015, 10:55:03 PM

Quote from: AliTraders on December 22, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Quote from: Graphics on December 21, 2015, 11:25:06 PM

We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.

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We all know that you're a scammer.

Give people here proof that i am a scammer.

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Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.

You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused.

negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either.

which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted.
Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy?

looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words.

lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up.
kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable."
are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid."
probably the latter. does it make more sense now?

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