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Topic: Trust system is abused. (Read 1838 times)

hero member
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July 16, 2016, 01:06:03 AM
#35
im totally disagree to DT member. they can easily give negative trust even if the reason is personal and not scam or illegal accuse. i hope that admin will change the rule about trust feedback. maybe it is to have a reference proof before the trust feedback occur..
Half of the time, there is reference. Yeah.  For the ones with no reference or proper reference,  something should be done.
hero member
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July 16, 2016, 01:02:05 AM
#34
im totally disagree to DT member. they can easily give negative trust even if the reason is personal and not scam or illegal accuse. i hope that admin will change the rule about trust feedback. maybe it is to have a reference proof before the trust feedback occur..
legendary
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July 15, 2016, 10:53:25 PM
#33
I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed
Hi there!  Just so you know,  there is indeed a way to get feedback removed,  just as you had requested!  


http://archive.is/mohqY



It's been already explained to you that BadBear changed his/her own feedback and doesn't possess any magic powers to change another user's feedback. Why do you keep repeating this bad advice?
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
July 15, 2016, 09:06:23 PM
#32
I got negative feedback from a user who refused escrow and a random user I never saw. There should be a way to apply to get feedback removed
Hi there!  Just so you know,  there is indeed a way to get feedback removed,  just as you had requested! 


http://archive.is/mohqY
legendary
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In Memory of Zepher
July 15, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
#31
Oh yeah, you're right.  I apologize.  I worded myself incorrectly.  By change,  I meant make it neutral or lower in that sense.
I apologize.
http://archive.is/mohqY
But still,  I was on the right path.  What I meant was to inform people that the moderators can do something about a rating if you just plead your case like this person did. Indicating that ratings are indeed monitored.
Congratulations. You have successfully proved that moderators, just like any other user here, can change their own trust ratings to neutral/negative.
AFAIK, the trust rating that BadBear removed was one that BadBear himself added to the user. Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
hero member
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July 15, 2016, 08:28:23 PM
#30
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.
He can't. Trust feedbacks are not moderated that is why most people do as what they will with it. If you appeal their response will be of that it is their own trust feedbacks and opinion and you can't change it because that is how their mind works.
Wrong. I have proof that the admin changes ratings.  Do you want me to show you the web capture?
Please go ahead and show the proof, from my understanding, they will not change ratings, they would just delete it
Oh yeah, you're right.  I apologize.  I worded myself incorrectly.  By change,  I meant make it neutral or lower in that sense.


I apologize.

http://archive.is/mohqY


But still,  I was on the right path.  What I meant was to inform people that the moderators can do something about a rating if you just plead your case like this person did. Indicating that ratings are indeed monitored.
hero member
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July 15, 2016, 08:23:31 PM
#29
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.
He can't. Trust feedbacks are not moderated that is why most people do as what they will with it. If you appeal their response will be of that it is their own trust feedbacks and opinion and you can't change it because that is how their mind works.
Wrong. I have proof that the admin changes ratings.  Do you want me to show you the web capture?
Please go ahead and show the proof, from my understanding, they will not change ratings, they would just delete it
hero member
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July 15, 2016, 08:22:22 PM
#28
Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.

All this is just your speculation. I didn't mean any of that. Try reading or smth.
No, that is exactly what you are saying. There is no other way to put it.
Thats not what he is saying, trying to remove untrusted feedback is a waste of time because no-one really cares about untrusted feedback, the thing is, if that person gets added to DT and you can prove that they are abusing the system, they will quickly be removed. So basically, im saying that this is a waste of time.
hero member
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Merit: 500
July 14, 2016, 08:12:50 PM
#27
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.
He can't. Trust feedbacks are not moderated that is why most people do as what they will with it. If you appeal their response will be of that it is their own trust feedbacks and opinion and you can't change it because that is how their mind works.
Wrong. I have proof that the admin changes ratings.  Do you want me to show you the web capture?
legendary
Activity: 3654
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July 14, 2016, 07:39:54 PM
#26
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.

Moderators can't do anything about trust ratings. Sig spamming on the other hand...
legendary
Activity: 2352
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In Memory of Zepher
July 14, 2016, 07:39:05 PM
#25
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.
To which the moderator will say "Trust is not moderated, sorry". Especially considering that the negative feedback was given due to the user doing something discouraged by the forum.
I wonder if your account has been sold again, since I'm sure you've had this explained to you in the past.
sr. member
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July 14, 2016, 07:37:49 PM
#24
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.
He can't. Trust feedbacks are not moderated that is why most people do as what they will with it. If you appeal their response will be of that it is their own trust feedbacks and opinion and you can't change it because that is how their mind works.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
July 14, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
#23
There is a way.  It's called messaging a moderator and pleading your case.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
July 14, 2016, 08:45:27 AM
#22
Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.

All this is just your speculation. I didn't mean any of that. Try reading or smth.
No, that is exactly what you are saying. There is no other way to put it.

No, what I said - exactly - is here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15564826

Not even close to what you're blabbering about. I think it's safe to say that I probably know better whether my post needed some creative "way to put it" or not. Hint: it didn't. So don't.
copper member
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Merit: 2374
July 14, 2016, 02:10:42 AM
#21
Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.

All this is just your speculation. I didn't mean any of that. Try reading or smth.
No, that is exactly what you are saying. There is no other way to put it.
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
July 14, 2016, 01:40:21 AM
#20
So how about this one The Pharmacist is that not count as spam too?

No, he is not spamming feedback.

An example can be seen on my feedback page:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747

Do a search on that page for "ecorox".  You will find 52 identical feedback posts.  That is spam.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 510
Dear me, I think I'm becoming a god
July 13, 2016, 07:07:07 AM
#19
The mods dont have any time to moderate the trust system, after a while, the trust system balances itself out.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
July 13, 2016, 05:11:38 AM
#18
Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.

All this is just your speculation. I didn't mean any of that. Try reading or smth.
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
July 12, 2016, 10:15:09 PM
#17
Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse.
People frequently send negative trust based on "untrusted" feedback that others have left. Someone who cares about their reputation will want to prevent any kind of negative feedback from appearing on their profile whenever possible.

Your post makes it sound as if you are arguing that it is okay to scam someone as long as they are not in the DT network and as long as they do not understand the importance of opening a scam accusation, and that all trust that is "untrusted" should be ignored.

There is also the possibility that someone will get added to the DT network in the future.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
July 12, 2016, 09:21:43 PM
#16
I can see that you can get negative trust easily with one report, and after that no one give a damn if your negative trust gets removed or not
So how does one gets negative trust removed if you are not trading on forums, then how? by creating accounts and  giving your self feed back?

Do that and you'll likely get negged even more. There are very few things despised more that the myriads of scams and scam enablers here - and trust manipulation would be one of them.

Also whining publicly about untrusted feedback can only make it worse. I think we are lucky though that all you penny scammers aren't very bright and keep wasting your time on rubbish like this.
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