Trust Sytem or trusted member list Must Be Removed? - page 2.

olcaytu2005

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Quote from: Vod on May 01, 2019, 05:16:27 PM

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 05:13:18 PM

I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died

So why were you encouraging people to give money to an ICO that died? Did you get a cut?

Advertising is encouraging? just with a bounty program? Bounty managers just manage the bounty programs. that s all. They are not encouraging poeple to give money. They just advertise as theymos did. So If we type;

" Bounty Program is not endorsed by the Bounty Manager. It may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. "

Do that protect us???

Bounty managers never encourage poeple to give money to ICOs. Everyone do their search and invest if they like. I never saw if any bounty manager said like that Hey Everyone please buy this token. Did you see? I havent

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 05:13:18 PM

I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died

So why were you encouraging people to give money to an ICO that died? Did you get a cut?

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Quote from: Vod on May 01, 2019, 05:02:31 PM

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:53:37 PM

So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

How is that different than encouraging people to trust a thief in your ICO?

Are the rules different for you?

I dont have any ICO. and ICOs already died

The rules different for the trusted members. Why? As you know Law always protects the strong one (like goverments). So are the Bitcointalk rules. Always protects the moderators, theymos and trusted members. Because theymos created it.

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:53:37 PM

So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

How is that different than encouraging people to trust a thief in your ICO?

Are the rules different for you?

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Quote from: marlboroza on May 01, 2019, 04:41:12 PM

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 03:49:53 PM

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc.

Your opinion will be added to this thread shortly where you will post evidence of us being alt accounts together with all other evidence you are supposed to post in that thread.

Please add this thread. So everyone can see How Lauda is a thief. Also She blames innocent people. There are a lot pics of innocent people there and they are not working on bounties either. Do they deserve to be tagged as a scammer? Lauda has a proof? If yes she can share but probably she has to steal as always:)

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 03:49:53 PM

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc.

Your opinion will be added to this thread shortly where you will post evidence of us being alt accounts together with all other evidence you are supposed to post in that thread.

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:02:21 PM

You can check any negative trust give by Lauda and after that you ll see malboroza sucmoon etc. isnt it proof?

Oh, you got us there...

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Quote from: bones261 on May 01, 2019, 04:15:03 PM

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:09:53 PM

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer hen he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

That may be true. However, people are more likely to succeed scamming by using an established account with some clout. Once such an account is tagged, that person can create all of the throw away accounts that they want, and only fools will take them seriously.

Unfortunately, Not everybody uses their mind.

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:13:47 PM

In this world, you cannot trust anyone even Satoshi. Because he created bitcoin. Why? Because we need trustless systems. Why? Because no one is trusted

What does this have to do with anything?

People trust whoever they want to trust.

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:09:53 PM

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer hen he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

That may be true. However, people are more likely to succeed scamming by using an established account with some clout. Once such an account is tagged, that person can create all of the throw away accounts that they want, and only fools will take them seriously.

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Quote from: TryNinja on May 01, 2019, 04:11:22 PM

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:09:53 PM

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

Except that most people don't trust a recently registered user. They may trust a Sr. Member/Legendary, however.

That's why neg trusting him (in case it's needed) is important. Bam, now he needs 775+ activity and 1000 merits to get as many 'reputation' as he had.

In this world, you cannot trust anyone even Satoshi. Because he created bitcoin. Why? Because we need trustless systems. Why? Because no one is trusted

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 04:09:53 PM

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

Except that most people don't trust a just recently registered user. They may trust a Sr. Member/Legendary, however.

That's why neg trusting him (in case it's needed) is important. Bam, now he needs 775+ activity and 1000 merits in his new account to get as many "reputation" as he had.

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Quote from: bones261 on May 01, 2019, 04:05:33 PM

The original reason that the trust system(originally a scammer tag) went into place was because Theymos was getting requests from people to ban "scammers."

Quote from: theymos on August 26, 2011, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: bbit on August 26, 2011, 06:23:07 PM

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

Quote from: FreeMoney on August 26, 2011, 07:32:26 PM

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

Since Theymos does not really want to be put in a position to investigate every scammer, we now have the trust system. Anyone can participate, as you know. Also, the current trust system is less stringent because a "scammer" can now delete/edit posts and create new accounts. Would you prefer that we just have a system where administrators ban "scammer" accounts? Or do you just want to remove the trust system and let scammers be free to find new victims?

Trust system is nothing. I am here for 5 years. You can give negative trust one of a scammer then he creates a new account and scam anyone. Easy. Trust system is just for trusted members gang

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The original reason that the trust system(originally a scammer tag) went into place was because Theymos was getting requests from people to ban "scammers."

Quote from: theymos on August 26, 2011, 10:46:05 PM

Quote from: bbit on August 26, 2011, 06:23:07 PM

edit: who determines this?

Administrators.

Quote from: FreeMoney on August 26, 2011, 07:32:26 PM

It would be awesome to make the scammer mark invisible to the scammer so they keep on longer than optimal with the same account.

The idea is to give them an opportunity to defend themselves or make things right. I have removed the status a couple of times after the users paid back their victims.

I instituted this system because people were pressuring me a lot to ban scammers, which I was unwilling to do. I do not want to be the final arbiter in these matters. So I created this status to warn potential victims without preventing the scammer from defending himself.

People marked as scammers are also unable to delete/edit any of their posts or modify their profiles, and their IP addresses are banned from creating new accounts.

Since Theymos does not really want to be put in a position to investigate every scammer, we now have the trust system. Anyone can participate, as you know. Also, the current trust system is less stringent because a "scammer" can now delete/edit posts and create new accounts. Would you prefer that we just have a system where administrators ban "scammer" accounts? Or do you just want to remove the trust system and let scammers be free to find new victims?

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on May 01, 2019, 03:59:06 PM

Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 03:49:53 PM

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts.

Let's assume your accusations against Lauda are true. He/she is one member in a huge list of DT members, and you're painting them all with the same brush. Second, there's no evidence to suggest Lauda has any "puppets", which I take to mean alt accounts. Marlboroza and suchmoon are not puppets of Lauda as far as I know. Never seen any proof of that.

Sounds like you're unhappy with the forum. Instead of trying to tear down the only mechanism by which we can keep scammers and various other undesirables at bay, why don't you go find another forum where there isn't so much drama. Bitcointalk doesn't seem like it's serving your needs.

You can check any negative trust give by Lauda and after that you ll see malboroza sucmoon etc. isnt it proof?

I dont use bitcointalk for 1 year I don't care negative trust. Never. Bu there is a gang here and they think they are the owner of the forum. Theymos do nothing. He just sits back. Forum manages by the gangs.

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Quote from: olcaytu2005 on May 01, 2019, 03:49:53 PM

One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts.

Let's assume your accusations against Lauda are true. He/she is one member in a huge list of DT members, and you're painting them all with the same brush. Second, there's no evidence to suggest Lauda has any "puppets", which I take to mean alt accounts. Marlboroza and suchmoon are not puppets of Lauda as far as I know. Never seen any proof of that.

Sounds like you're unhappy with the forum. Instead of trying to tear down the only mechanism by which we can keep scammers and various other undesirables at bay, why don't you go find another forum where there isn't so much drama. Bitcointalk doesn't seem like it's serving your needs.

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Everyone sees that there is a trusted members gang in this forum. They are not trusted. One of them(Lauda) is a thief and abuse trust system with her puppets like malbroza, suchmoon etc. etc. they have hundreds of alt accounts. In this world, no one is trusted.

They just attack whoever they want. Abusing everything. They have trust power and they suppose they are the owner of bitcointalk.

Let's talk.

Trust System must be removed?? or maybe trusted member list must be removed?? everyone should choose their trusted member list?

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