~ it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem.
It is stupid to believe the wall will solve the problem, and it's just as stupid to believe it won't help.
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December 23, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
It is stupid to believe the wall will solve the problem, and it's just as stupid to believe it won't help.
December 22, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
Fear-mongering is at it's highest right now, but Trump pulls out of Syria while also saying that terrorist are coming in through the borders of Mexico. 
I don't have the impression there was EVER fear mongering to get support for the wall.
"No wall" is a position of laziness and apathy, and a "don't care, whatever will happen will happen." attitude.
"Build the wall" is a pragmatic and practical "can do" solutions oriented approach. Frankly it's ridiculously overdue.
December 22, 2018, 01:21:11 PM
Fear-mongering is at it's highest right now, but Trump pulls out of Syria while also saying that terrorist are coming in through the borders of Mexico.
December 22, 2018, 12:17:56 PM
The movement is going global, there is a reason why you can see it spreading all over the world. It is a response to the neglect that has persisted for generations.
December 22, 2018, 11:17:17 AM
Are you just playing dumb, or are you actually this misguided and deluded? I highly advise you to take a look at the australian immagration system, a system that has proven time and time again to WORK.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
SMALL DIFFRENCE: AUSTRALIA IS A MOTHERFUCKING ISLAND
They already have a natural barriere making it much easier to simply send people back.
Don't want people in? You shoot. Want people in? You accept them for real.
Trying something in between won't work and have never worked and will never.
But again, if you want to build that wall do. It's not useful but I don't give a damn as you'll pay for it directly.
There are ALL KINDS of in-between solutions. Ending birthright citizenship coupled with work permits is an example. However the person still has to be identified, have a background check and such.
And yes, the people voted for Trump on this issue and the people want it. This is how you GOT TRUMP, the inaction and don't care attitude of the senators and congressmen on this very issue.
However, you are not alone with your opinion. You stand with the "cultural elite of Washington" who share your scorn and disdain for the wishes of the actual people. After the total chaos and the thousands of rapes and murders resulting from the recent "migrant caravans" into Europe, you guys really should have learned.
Hey, want more TRUMP-like people voted in? Just keep it up.
I've been seeing it in my own country (the Netherlands) for years now. The upcoming Marrakech Agreement that we are signing will only make illegal immigration WORSE by giving more rights to illegals.
Although the agreement is ''not binding'' it will rapidly be used in court by illegals using soft-law.
The current situation is that we have absolutely no idea WHO WE ARE TAKING IN, that's the entire problem, there are ''background checks'' but it's not a check you can really take seriously. For all I know it's already too late, and possible terrorists have already invaded, it's just damage control from here on out.
If you don't see this as a problem, then I truly have no idea what you're thinking, left or right, democrat or conservative, you can't deny that this is VERY, VERY dangerous to my, and ultimately, your culture.
Total chaos is on the horizon.
December 22, 2018, 08:48:08 AM
Are you just playing dumb, or are you actually this misguided and deluded? I highly advise you to take a look at the australian immagration system, a system that has proven time and time again to WORK.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
SMALL DIFFRENCE: AUSTRALIA IS A MOTHERFUCKING ISLAND
They already have a natural barriere making it much easier to simply send people back.
Don't want people in? You shoot. Want people in? You accept them for real.
Trying something in between won't work and have never worked and will never.
But again, if you want to build that wall do. It's not useful but I don't give a damn as you'll pay for it directly.
There are ALL KINDS of in-between solutions. Ending birthright citizenship coupled with work permits is an example. However the person still has to be identified, have a background check and such.
And yes, the people voted for Trump on this issue and the people want it. This is how you GOT TRUMP, the inaction and don't care attitude of the senators and congressmen on this very issue.
However, you are not alone with your opinion. You stand with the "cultural elite of Washington" who share your scorn and disdain for the wishes of the actual people. After the total chaos and the thousands of rapes and murders resulting from the recent "migrant caravans" into Europe, you guys really should have learned.
Hey, want more TRUMP-like people voted in? Just keep it up.
December 22, 2018, 04:34:48 AM
Are you just playing dumb, or are you actually this misguided and deluded? I highly advise you to take a look at the australian immagration system, a system that has proven time and time again to WORK.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
SMALL DIFFRENCE: AUSTRALIA IS A MOTHERFUCKING ISLAND
They already have a natural barriere making it much easier to simply send people back.
Don't want people in? You shoot. Want people in? You accept them for real.
Trying something in between won't work and have never worked and will never.
But again, if you want to build that wall do. It's not useful but I don't give a damn as you'll pay for it directly.
December 22, 2018, 04:32:16 AM
If you were making fun of something, you have not answered my question. In fact your response is full of logical errors and mis representations, and hyperbole. Why?
Unfettered mass migration is total chaos. What's good about that? That's actually what the left is advocating. Total chaos. Are you in the USA? Because if you are, you are advocating the destruction of the country. Which would of course make sense if you were in certain other countries.
Repeating what I said earlier.
The lack of a wall directly permits invasions of the USA, or requires identifying and massing troops on the border in response to each "Caravan".
Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
This is exactly what has and is and will happen in the absence of a wall. Then people have to come in through gates, their papers checked and so forth. No total chaos.
You get it? NO TOTAL FUCKING CHAOS!!!
Unfettered mass migration is total chaos. What's good about that? That's actually what the left is advocating. Total chaos. Are you in the USA? Because if you are, you are advocating the destruction of the country. Which would of course make sense if you were in certain other countries.
Repeating what I said earlier.
The lack of a wall directly permits invasions of the USA, or requires identifying and massing troops on the border in response to each "Caravan".
Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
This is exactly what has and is and will happen in the absence of a wall. Then people have to come in through gates, their papers checked and so forth. No total chaos.
You get it? NO TOTAL FUCKING CHAOS!!!
Said what I had to say. Thinking the wall will prevent illegal chaotic immigration is really a lack of imagination. They'll climb it, they'll dig under, they'll go by sea, they'll fly over... Wall is a high cost low efficiency mean.
There is no logical error in my post. I said it and I'll say it again, you want no illegal immegration there are only two solutions:
-Shoot anyone trying to pass
-Accept everyone trying to pass
Anything in between won't work. Try it if you want, but it won't work.
December 21, 2018, 08:16:07 PM
....
jes soros is pushing the open borders, but not an open financial system. for that he relied on rothshilds jewish banking empire, with the gay freemason banksters as their servants.
jes soros is pushing the open borders, but not an open financial system. for that he relied on rothshilds jewish banking empire, with the gay freemason banksters as their servants.
yeah
"open borders for thee not for MEEEE!!!"
December 21, 2018, 07:40:17 PM
How is it stupidity and nonsense?
It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
Nope it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem.It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
I don't understand strong nationalists like you. You don't want any kind of illegal in the country? Just give the right to militaries at the border to shoot at sight anyone in the noman's land.
Wall is a hybrid useless tool. The only thing you'll achieve is that you'll ONLY get the worst of the neighbooring country, the women and children will no longer be able to go through so you'll get only the young men you fear the invasion of.
Don't want any illegal immigration? You got two solutions, either automatic legal migration (regularization on everyone with really easy conditions) which would be the "socialist" solution, or just shoot at sight (which would be the nationist focus solution). Anything in between is useless complicated stuff that will only provide poor results and high costs.
And don't think I'm making fun of the nationalis focus solution, it would be a very efficient one. Not the one getting my vote but it's a good solution.
Are you just playing dumb, or are you actually this misguided and deluded? I highly advise you to take a look at the australian immagration system, a system that has proven time and time again to WORK.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
Ten years ago the idea of open borders was a fringe concept being pushed by mainly Soros. But it greatly enhances the power of the United Nations, because as nations are overwhelmed with mindless chaos, they are easier to control from the outside.
Looks like a lot of the rank and file goose-stepping rabble has bought into the idea. Including the Muslim fraction of course.
What's not great about having a Right to Invade? (for the invader)
THIS IS HOW YOU GOT TRUMP, PUSHING THIS FUCKING NONSENSE>
jes soros is pushing the open borders, but not an open financial system. for that he relied on rothshilds jewish banking empire, with the freemason banksters as their servants.
December 21, 2018, 07:05:58 PM
How is it stupidity and nonsense?
It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
Nope it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem.It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
I don't understand strong nationalists like you. You don't want any kind of illegal in the country? Just give the right to militaries at the border to shoot at sight anyone in the noman's land.
Wall is a hybrid useless tool. The only thing you'll achieve is that you'll ONLY get the worst of the neighbooring country, the women and children will no longer be able to go through so you'll get only the young men you fear the invasion of.
Don't want any illegal immigration? You got two solutions, either automatic legal migration (regularization on everyone with really easy conditions) which would be the "socialist" solution, or just shoot at sight (which would be the nationist focus solution). Anything in between is useless complicated stuff that will only provide poor results and high costs.
And don't think I'm making fun of the nationalis focus solution, it would be a very efficient one. Not the one getting my vote but it's a good solution.
Are you just playing dumb, or are you actually this misguided and deluded? I highly advise you to take a look at the australian immagration system, a system that has proven time and time again to WORK.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
Ten years ago the idea of open borders was a fringe concept being pushed by mainly Soros. But it greatly enhances the power of the United Nations, because as nations are overwhelmed with mindless chaos, they are easier to control from the outside.
Looks like a lot of the rank and file goose-stepping rabble has bought into the idea. Including the Muslim fraction of course.
What's not great about having a Right to Invade? (for the invader)
THIS IS HOW YOU GOT TRUMP, PUSHING THIS FUCKING NONSENSE>
December 21, 2018, 06:26:46 PM
How is it stupidity and nonsense?
It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
Nope it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem.It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
I don't understand strong nationalists like you. You don't want any kind of illegal in the country? Just give the right to militaries at the border to shoot at sight anyone in the noman's land.
Wall is a hybrid useless tool. The only thing you'll achieve is that you'll ONLY get the worst of the neighbooring country, the women and children will no longer be able to go through so you'll get only the young men you fear the invasion of.
Don't want any illegal immigration? You got two solutions, either automatic legal migration (regularization on everyone with really easy conditions) which would be the "socialist" solution, or just shoot at sight (which would be the nationist focus solution). Anything in between is useless complicated stuff that will only provide poor results and high costs.
And don't think I'm making fun of the nationalis focus solution, it would be a very efficient one. Not the one getting my vote but it's a good solution.
Are you just playing dumb, or are you actually this misguided and deluded? I highly advise you to take a look at the australian immigration system, a system that has proven time and time again to WORK.
You simply send back boats full of illegal immigrants. You take NONE of them in, this is the only way to discourage people from risking their lives on these cranky boats. The only immigrants that get in are the ones who apply for an official visa, and can prove that they can benifit the economy one way or another (degree, expierence etc.).
Now ofcourse, this isn't 100% comparable to the situation the U.S. is in, but the same principal can be applied across the board.
December 21, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
as far as i see it:
the left think that they will eternally just life on the back of the american policeforce burning their lives in a neverending war to keep up order, that is why they dont want that wall, they want to look friendly attract mexicans and immigrants into their illusionary equity paradise,
while the right tries to seal of the issue and build that wall to free the policeforce from the neverending burden, once and for all.
i doubt however that the wall will help to fix drug and human trafficing, because the problem will then come from americans living in the usa, and then seeking to improve their economic situation (labour), trump currently trusts them fully, and thats his blind spot/weakness. it might even lead to an autocratic state.
regards
the left think that they will eternally just life on the back of the american policeforce burning their lives in a neverending war to keep up order, that is why they dont want that wall, they want to look friendly attract mexicans and immigrants into their illusionary equity paradise,
while the right tries to seal of the issue and build that wall to free the policeforce from the neverending burden, once and for all.
i doubt however that the wall will help to fix drug and human trafficing, because the problem will then come from americans living in the usa, and then seeking to improve their economic situation (labour), trump currently trusts them fully, and thats his blind spot/weakness. it might even lead to an autocratic state.
regards
December 21, 2018, 01:51:54 PM
I donated my $100 to the build the wall fund.
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
12.5 Million raised in 4 days not too bad. Sends a message and helps a little if nothing else.
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
12.5 Million raised in 4 days not too bad. Sends a message and helps a little if nothing else.
Great Idea, I will also.
This is total bullshit. The American people voted Trump in, in large part because we want that wall and see through all these half baked lies of the left.
But honestly, neither party in Washington cares about it, so its Trump and us, against THEM.
December 21, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
I donated my $100 to the build the wall fund.
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
12.5 Million raised in 4 days not too bad. Sends a message and helps a little if nothing else.
https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall
12.5 Million raised in 4 days not too bad. Sends a message and helps a little if nothing else.
December 21, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
How is it stupidity and nonsense?
It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
Nope it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem.It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
I don't understand strong nationalists like you. You don't want any kind of illegal in the country? Just give the right to militaries at the border to shoot at sight anyone in the noman's land.
Wall is a hybrid useless tool. The only thing you'll achieve is that you'll ONLY get the worst of the neighbooring country, the women and children will no longer be able to go through so you'll get only the young men you fear the invasion of.
Don't want any illegal immigration? You got two solutions, either automatic legal migration (regularization on everyone with really easy conditions) which would be the "socialist" solution, or just shoot at sight (which would be the nationist focus solution). Anything in between is useless complicated stuff that will only provide poor results and high costs.
And don't think I'm making fun of the nationalis focus solution, it would be a very efficient one. Not the one getting my vote but it's a good solution.
Unfettered mass migration is total chaos. What's good about that? That's actually what the left is advocating. Total chaos. Are you in the USA? Because if you are, you are advocating the destruction of the country. Which would of course make sense if you were in certain other countries.
Repeating what I said earlier.
The lack of a wall directly permits invasions of the USA, or requires identifying and massing troops on the border in response to each "Caravan".
Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
This is exactly what has and is and will happen in the absence of a wall. Then people have to come in through gates, their papers checked and so forth. No total chaos.
You get it? NO TOTAL FUCKING CHAOS!!!
December 21, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
How is it stupidity and nonsense?
It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
Nope it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem.It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
I don't understand strong nationalists like you. You don't want any kind of illegal in the country? Just give the right to militaries at the border to shoot at sight anyone in the noman's land.
Wall is a hybrid useless tool. The only thing you'll achieve is that you'll ONLY get the worst of the neighbooring country, the women and children will no longer be able to go through so you'll get only the young men you fear the invasion of.
Don't want any illegal immigration? You got two solutions, either automatic legal migration (regularization on everyone with really easy conditions) which would be the "socialist" solution, or just shoot at sight (which would be the nationist focus solution). Anything in between is useless complicated stuff that will only provide poor results and high costs.
And don't think I'm making fun of the nationalis focus solution, it would be a very efficient one. Not the one getting my vote but it's a good solution.
December 21, 2018, 11:13:13 AM
The lack of a wall directly permits invasions of the USA, or requires identifying and massing troops on the border in response to each "Caravan".
Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
Yeah exactly, that's the stupidity and nonsense I was talking about ^^Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
....
How is it stupidity and nonsense?
It's exactly what's going to happen and you know it.
But I am curious. Is it stupid to think that will happen or to fear the consequences or what? Or can you even explain a viewport that's half logical on the matter.?
December 21, 2018, 07:47:46 AM
The lack of a wall directly permits invasions of the USA, or requires identifying and massing troops on the border in response to each "Caravan".
Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
Yeah exactly, that's the stupidity and nonsense I was talking about ^^Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
But at least the guys are committed to build the world they want. If everyone was that way we would have a much better, though much different, world by now.
December 21, 2018, 07:42:13 AM
Ahahahahahah
This is awesome xD
Honestly: the wall idea is stupid as fuck and Trump and his supporters aren't anyway better than Clinton and her supporters.
But to see part of the population actually tying a project together, directly raise the funds and trying to enforce this on the Nation, that's awesome! That's how democracy should be! Bottom-up not the other way around!
Respect to the man and the people trying to pull all of this! I disagree with pretty much everything he says and thought but at least he's seriously trying to do something he believes is right rather than just crying while doing nothing!
(or waiting for the gvt to do it or him)
The lack of a wall directly permits invasions of the USA, or requires identifying and massing troops on the border in response to each "Caravan".
Since the next thing our enemies will try is two, three or four "caravans" at the same time, we might as well just build the wall.
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