Two memorial documentaries about the undefeated Givi

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 14, 2017, 07:25:12 PM

Maybe this death is not related to previous assasinations of separatists leaders, but still, it looks very strange to see so many deaths in short period, even if it's not related.
And as I know, any sides in this war Ukraine, Russia) don't have biological weapons. Even if they would have, I don't think they would use it.

It seems that the rebels are honoring the ceasefire, while the Kiev junta is ambushing the rebel leaders. This can get ugly, if the rebels decide to retaliate and start assassinating the pro-Kiev figures in the government controlled part of Donbass.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 14, 2017, 04:32:08 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 13, 2017, 07:41:00 AM

Another death - one of co-founder DNR dead on last Sunday:
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1943394-echo.html
Many deaths of leaders of separatists in short period. Coincidence? I don't think so.

He was 54-years old, and passed away as a result of illness. What this has to do with the latest bunch of assassinations against the LNR/DNR leaders? Or are you suggesting that his brain tumor was resulted from biological warfare by the Right sector?

Maybe this death is not related to previous assasinations of separatists leaders, but still, it looks very strange to see so many deaths in short period, even if it's not related.
And as I know, any sides in this war Ukraine, Russia) don't have biological weapons. Even if they would have, I don't think they would use it.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 13, 2017, 07:41:00 AM

Another death - one of co-founder DNR dead on last Sunday:
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1943394-echo.html
Many deaths of leaders of separatists in short period. Coincidence? I don't think so.

He was 54-years old, and passed away as a result of illness. What this has to do with the latest bunch of assassinations against the LNR/DNR leaders? Or are you suggesting that his brain tumor was resulted from biological warfare by the Right sector?

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Another death - one of co-founder DNR dead on last Sunday:
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1943394-echo.html
Many deaths of leaders of separatists in short period. Coincidence? I don't think so.

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Quote from: Xester on March 13, 2017, 12:40:47 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

The mystery behind their death is still unknown. Though there are many rumors spreading across the saying they were killed by the terrorists but this idea as kinda absurd and possibly made to cover up something. On the other hand the russian goverment doing the dirty work to dispose of them is also a conspiracy theory that has no clear evidence or whatsoever. Hence their death remains a mystery up to this date.

All these men were on the hit list of the Right Sector. The Ukrainian neo-Nazis badly wanted them dead. Both Givi and Motorola were among the most important rebel commanders during the battle of Ilovaisk, which lead to around 2,000 Kiev deaths.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

The mystery behind their death is still unknown. Though there are many rumors spreading across the saying they were killed by the terrorists but this idea as kinda absurd and possibly made to cover up something. On the other hand the russian goverment doing the dirty work to dispose of them is also a conspiracy theory that has no clear evidence or whatsoever. Hence their death remains a mystery up to this date.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 11, 2017, 12:12:11 PM

Quote from: Forester618 on March 09, 2017, 05:53:02 AM

Then you are wrong. If Ukraine will restore control over the territory captured by the Russians and terrorists all odious personality can be captured and testify in court. Putin does not want this.

Even if the Kiev regime regains control of the DPR/LPR, there is no guarantee that the rebel leaders will be caught. They will just withdraw their forces (just like what they did in Kramatorsk and Sloviansk) and retreat to Russia.

And why in Russia is poorly controlled by the number of bandits which as predators have tasted blood and will now plunder and kill. Anyone out Russia does not want to see on your site.

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Quote from: Forester618 on March 09, 2017, 05:53:02 AM

Then you are wrong. If Ukraine will restore control over the territory captured by the Russians and terrorists all odious personality can be captured and testify in court. Putin does not want this.

Even if the Kiev regime regains control of the DPR/LPR, there is no guarantee that the rebel leaders will be caught. They will just withdraw their forces (just like what they did in Kramatorsk and Sloviansk) and retreat to Russia.

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Quote from: myway-he on March 10, 2017, 07:11:48 AM

Because of the crisis for money, the brother is fighting against his brother. Presidents are only pawns in this financed war.

I think that the crisis has nothing to do with it. The crisis in the world exists but the way of the world not at war. Simply Putin is a fascist and wants to own the world. Do you not see?

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Because of the crisis for money, the brother is fighting against his brother. Presidents are only pawns in this financed war.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 09, 2017, 01:41:19 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 07, 2017, 04:39:36 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

They had good reputation in local area, but not worldwide. Maybe Russia want to replace by people, who are responsible for many deaths. It's also possible that they are killed by other separatists due to fight for authority. But I don't say it as pure fact, it's speculations.

If Russia wanted PR, then they could have sealed the DPR-Russia border and allowed the Kiev junta to invade Donbass. IMO, the only people interested in the murder of Givi was the Kiev junta. He was on the top of their hitlist, after videos were published showing him confronting the Kiev POWs in Donetsk airport.

Then you are wrong. If Ukraine will restore control over the territory captured by the Russians and terrorists all odious personality can be captured and testify in court. Putin does not want this.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 07, 2017, 04:39:36 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

They had good reputation in local area, but not worldwide. Maybe Russia want to replace by people, who are responsible for many deaths. It's also possible that they are killed by other separatists due to fight for authority. But I don't say it as pure fact, it's speculations.

If Russia wanted PR, then they could have sealed the DPR-Russia border and allowed the Kiev junta to invade Donbass. IMO, the only people interested in the murder of Givi was the Kiev junta. He was on the top of their hitlist, after videos were published showing him confronting the Kiev POWs in Donetsk airport.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

Probably you became a victim of Russian propaganda. The local population does not consider Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko as their leaders. These are ordinary criminals who Rob the Donbass. The war has not brought any prosperity to the region. Now they just do not know the truth, and intimidated by the bandits this hinders their return to Ukraine. But the truth Putin knows, and he doesn't like witnesses. Zakharchenko and Carpentry are doomed. It is only a matter of time.

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The first Prime Minister of Ukraine said that in the early 90s in the Donbass mines, about 40% of the miners were in prison. After the crisis I think these people became even more. You think these people can think of?

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Quote from: Alexzap on March 07, 2017, 06:46:37 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 07, 2017, 04:39:36 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

They had good reputation in local area, but not worldwide. Maybe Russia want to replace by people, who are responsible for many deaths.
It's also possible that they are killed by other separatists due to fight for authority. But I don't say it as pure fact, it's speculations.

I do think that Russia is preparing to place Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko Nadia Savchenko. Now her PR in those territories and when the time comes the Russians will destroy the bandits who have blood on their hands and try to put it.

Maybe all the same people in the Donbas will begin to understand that they are manipulated, channeling in the right direction for politics, playing on their feelings and emotions. Previously, this region used politicians like sheep, to achieve their goals, and now it is happening.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 07, 2017, 04:39:36 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

They had good reputation in local area, but not worldwide. Maybe Russia want to replace by people, who are responsible for many deaths.
It's also possible that they are killed by other separatists due to fight for authority. But I don't say it as pure fact, it's speculations.

I do think that Russia is preparing to place Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko Nadia Savchenko. Now her PR in those territories and when the time comes the Russians will destroy the bandits who have blood on their hands and try to put it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 06, 2017, 09:11:15 PM

Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

They had good reputation in local area, but not worldwide. Maybe Russia want to replace by people, who are responsible for many deaths.
It's also possible that they are killed by other separatists due to fight for authority. But I don't say it as pure fact, it's speculations.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 06, 2017, 06:20:29 PM

Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

Pure rubbish. All of these leaders enjoyed a good reputation among the local population, and they had tens of thousands of followers. Why should Russia kill them and thereby antagonize the local population.

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Killing of Givi probably was ordered by Moscow. And he is not first important separatist who was killed - Alexey Bednov, Yevgeny Ishchenko-Malysh, Roman Voznik-Cygan, Alexey Mozgovoy and some more was killed already. I wouldn't surprised if soon Zaharchenko and Plotnicky will be killed. I think Russia want to replace these leaders due to bad reputation of them.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 05, 2017, 08:12:30 AM

Quote from: Lancusters on March 05, 2017, 07:56:42 AM

You leave your Putin propaganda! It was the terrorists who themselves did not fight, but only mocked the prisoners. They gave rise to Russian authorities, she has destroyed them. Without these terrorists on the ground became clearer!

Oh, have we got a new breed of trolls here while I was away for a couple of months?

Terrorists, like these children and women, and the whole of the population of Donbass, that Poroshenko proclaimed as terrorists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKm4FnsWVbY

And this. See! "Terrorists"!
https://youtu.be/42RnhSS7WV0?t=190

You should also continue your line of thought and say that in 1941-1945, 27 million "terrorists" died while defending their land from the friendly German troops...

Probably the same thing happened in Chechnya. The Chechen people also wanted to be free, but the government and traitors had very different plans. No one will give up the oil.

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