Two unconfirmed transactions and not being able to use my wallet balance

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 07:39:56 PM

So when I woke up just now I noticed some weird stuff in the wallet I sent from to the other wallet. It now says "unconfirmed parent" showing what I believe is my two trades that are in limbo. It also puts the balance in that wallet in "-unconfirmed".

Your sending wallet may have showed strange things if it was still aware (or later became aware) of your two previous low fee transactions which were being double spent by this new transaction. The second transaction you linked in your first post was also based on another unconfirmed transaction which was double spent by your new transaction, hence the warning "unconfirmed parent".

Now that your new transaction has gone through, all of these old transactions are now invalid. As long as you can see the funds confirmed in your destination wallet, then you've got nothing to worry about.

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 07:39:56 PM

edit-Ok it arrived. I take it I'm all good. Thanks everyone for your time!

Correct... seems the fee rates have dropped back slightly and your transaction got confirmed!

At this time: 20210418-0800 it seems anything above 120 sats/vbyte is getting confirmed.

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Quote from: HCP on April 17, 2021, 05:11:47 PM

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 08:43:03 AM

Well sent the entire balance to another wallet with a bigger fee. Hopefully it works out ok. Waiting about 30mins so far for confirmation. Maybe awhile with the circumstances.

How big was your "bigger fee"? Huh

The network is massively overloaded at the moment... fees are ridiculous... you'll likely need a fee rate of 175+sats/vbyte to have any chance of getting your transaction confirmed in a reasonable amount of time at the moment Undecided

refer: https://mempool.space/
and https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,24h,weight

149sat/vbyte

Wow I thought I sent to much for fees at my rate. https://blockstream.info/tx/892a58d492cec1a519d3de0abf2829bbb5803ff287d43f71fa0d6b7c458bcd89
149 sat VB

Is this one ever going to go through? I was thinking it just wasnt going to work after not workig in a few hours.

So when I woke up just now I noticed some weird stuff in the wallet I sent from to the other wallet. It now says "unconfirmed parent" showing what I believe is my two trades that are in limbo. It also puts the balance in that wallet in "-unconfirmed".

edit-Ok it arrived. I take it I'm all good. Thanks everyone for your time!

HCP

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 08:43:03 AM

Well sent the entire balance to another wallet with a bigger fee. Hopefully it works out ok. Waiting about 30mins so far for confirmation. Maybe awhile with the circumstances.

How big was your "bigger fee"? Huh

The network is massively overloaded at the moment... fees are ridiculous... you'll likely need a fee rate of 175+sats/vbyte to have any chance of getting your transaction confirmed in a reasonable amount of time at the moment Undecided

refer: https://mempool.space/
and https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#BTC,24h,weight

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Well sent the entire balance to another wallet with a bigger fee. Hopefully it works out ok. Waiting about 30mins so far for confirmation. Maybe awhile with the circumstances. Hopefully no server switches and good to go.

Thanks again for the help everyone!

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 17, 2021, 06:19:02 AM

I don't think Electrum even picks up the transactions at 2 sat/byte, so that shouldn't be a problem.

It depends on which server he is using. If he connects to a server which uses a full node which has dropped the old transactions (as you did when you checked), then they won't show up and he should be able to broadcast a new transaction without issue. However, he might connect to a server whose associated node still has the old transaction in its mempool, and so he would need to swap to a different server before he could broadcast his new transaction so it isn't rejected as a double spend.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 17, 2021, 06:13:34 AM

You may run in to issues broadcasting a new transaction since it is a double spend. If Electrum rejects it, try swapping to a different server (Tools -> Network -> Right click on a different server and select "Use as server") and broadcasting it again.

I don't think Electrum even picks up the transactions at 2 sat/byte, so that shouldn't be a problem.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 17, 2021, 06:03:54 AM

I would create a new Electrum wallet (with bc1q addresses), securely write down and store the new seed words, and transfer all your funds there. Be smart on fees, depending on how many inputs you have it might get expensive.

OP says he was already in the process of moving coins to "a better wallet", and looking at the transaction details that "better wallet" seems to include the address bc1qlpn92jjkmfpyjfr34qu8t7zdxn2xwym8qw6f8m. I would simply create a transaction sending everything from his freshly recovered Electrum wallet to whatever this "better wallet" is, since that is the desired final destination of his funds, and skip the middle step of moving to a new Electrum wallet altogether.

You may run in to issues broadcasting a new transaction since it is a double spend. If Electrum rejects it, try swapping to a different server (Tools -> Network -> Right click on a different server and select "Use as server") and broadcasting it again.

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 05:45:14 AM

So it looks like all my BTC is in this electrum wallet now including the BTC that was stuck on those unconfirmed transactions.

Even though Electrum doesn't show it, it's still "stuck" and may confirm eventually when fees drop far enough.

Quote from: LoyceV on April 16, 2021, 02:49:43 AM

Assuming you've had your Blockchain.info wallet for years, you may want to read up on Forkcoins you may own.

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I had done something wrong before but thanks to the advice from you guys it seems I have it right. So it looks like all my BTC is in this electrum wallet now including the BTC that was stuck on those unconfirmed transactions.

Now am I good to go here? I dont have to be concerned with the blockchain account or anything else? The BTC on there is just in limbo and will get be unuseable and those transactions go away?

Really appreciate the help from everyone!

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 03:49:00 AM

All the electrum addresses start with bc1 both rec and change.

As far as bolded I believe all address are in that wallet. I havent created additional but their is multiple transactions on there.

Should be as straightforward as Loyce says then.

Create a new wallet in Electrum, give it any name you like.
Select "Standard wallet".
Select "I already have a seed".
Enter your 12 words, click "Options" and check "BIP39 seed".
Select "legacy (p2pkh)".
Choose a password.

If the addresses are still incorrect, then I suspect the issue will be with multiple accounts which is an easy fix I can talk you through if needed.

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 04:20:36 AM

I take it I can retry the same process ~~with~~ without uninstalling the electrum wallet and its not going to mess anything up anywhere?

I've edited your quote: you don't need to uninstall Electrum.
In Electrum, click File > New. You can create as many wallets as you want.

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Honestly I'm not 100% if I did. It was a very foreign process to me. I followed a guide I think I did that but I'm maybe only 70% on that one. I take it I can retry the same process with uninstalling the electrum wallet and its not going to mess anything up anywhere?

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 03:49:00 AM

90% certain it was the BIP39 as memory serves me thats the choice the guide I followed said to do.

All the electrum addresses start with bc1 both rec and change.

Did you forgot to select Legacy while creating the wallet in Electrum?

Quote from: Restoring your standard wallet from seed

If your seed words are from a bip39 wallet (i.e. not Electrum) you will be shown this window below. Choose the legacy p2pkh option if the addresses in the originating wallet begin with ‘1’, p2sh-segwit if they begin with ‘3’ and native segwit if they begin with ‘bc1’:
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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 17, 2021, 03:03:36 AM

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 01:34:21 AM

I can't find a private key for the address you said to export in my wallet. It doesnt show up in my used address folder.

You will only be able to export the individual private key for that address is the address was imported from somewhere else in to your blockchain.com wallet. Blockchain.com does not allow you to export private keys for addresses generated by them - in this case, you will need to use your seed phrase.

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 01:34:21 AM

I tried to use my seed to export my wallet into electrum. I followed directions for setting up an export from blockchain.info to a electrum wallet perfectly. I did that and my Electrum wallet came out with 20 rec addresses that have no relation to my blockchain wallet and then some change addresses.

In Electrum, did you click "Options" and check the box marked "BIP39 seed"?
Do the Electrum addresses start with the character "1"?
Are the address you are using on your Blockchain.com wallet in the first wallet, or have you created additional wallets on the "Wallets & Addresses page"?

Oh yeah it was not a imported address

90% certain it was the BIP39 as memory serves me thats the choice the guide I followed said to do.

All the electrum addresses start with bc1 both rec and change.

As far as bolded I believe all address are in that wallet. I havent created additional but their is multiple transactions on there.

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 01:34:21 AM

I can't find a private key for the address you said to export in my wallet. It doesnt show up in my used address folder.

You will only be able to export the individual private key for that address is the address was imported from somewhere else in to your blockchain.com wallet. Blockchain.com does not allow you to export private keys for addresses generated by them - in this case, you will need to use your seed phrase.

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 17, 2021, 01:34:21 AM

I tried to use my seed to export my wallet into electrum. I followed directions for setting up an export from blockchain.info to a electrum wallet perfectly. I did that and my Electrum wallet came out with 20 rec addresses that have no relation to my blockchain wallet and then some change addresses.

In Electrum, did you click "Options" and check the box marked "BIP39 seed"?
Do the Electrum addresses start with the character "1"?
Are the address you are using on your Blockchain.com wallet in the first wallet, or have you created additional wallets on the "Wallets & Addresses page"?

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 16, 2021, 02:49:43 AM

My advice: export the private key to 1PvKs6nDSsd844WsjnZKEZFF8hb3SyLUQ4 from Blockchain.info. Import it into a new Electrum wallet, and send the entire balance at once to your new wallet. Make sure there is no change left, just empty the address. I've tested importing your address (watch-only), and as expected Electrum doesn't even know about your 2 sat/byte transaction, so you can just create a new one.
Since you're not in a rush, I'd recommend to manually set a 12 sat/byte fee. That's enough to (almost) guarantee it'll confirm in the weekend. Once this is confirmed, all other unconfirmed transactions should disappear from your Blockchain.info(.com?) wallet, and you can send the remaining balance.

Assuming you've had your Blockchain.info wallet for years, you may want to read up on Forkcoins you may own.

I can't find a private key for the address you said to export in my wallet. It doesnt show up in my used address folder.

I tried to use my seed to export my wallet into electrum. I followed directions for setting up an export from blockchain.info to a electrum wallet perfectly. I did that and my Electrum wallet came out with 20 rec addresses that have no relation to my blockchain wallet and then some change addresses. I then went to my blockchain account after doing that and tried to send the whole amount over but just got the "transaction failed to send" message again.

Am I doing something wrong with this? I've been all over google, youtube, and websites searching "export blockchain.info wallet to electrum" and seems the steps I took were right.

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Quote from: LoyceV on April 16, 2021, 02:49:43 AM

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 15, 2021, 09:56:45 PM

I can deal with weeks. I read some places it could take a year for some of these that really scared me.

The last time transactions with 2 sat/byte got confirmed, was January 28, 2.5 months ago. I've kept track of low fees for years, and don't expect 2 sat/byte to be confirmed any time soon. You could indeed be looking at many months.

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 15, 2021, 09:06:19 PM

I'm in the process of moving in small amounts to a better wallet.

You should probably read up on consolidating your small inputs, you're doing the exact opposite, which is expensive.

My advice: export the private key to 1PvKs6nDSsd844WsjnZKEZFF8hb3SyLUQ4 from Blockchain.info. Import it into a new Electrum wallet, and send the entire balance at once to your new wallet. Make sure there is no change left, just empty the address. I've tested importing your address (watch-only), and as expected Electrum doesn't even know about your 2 sat/byte transaction, so you can just create a new one.
Since you're not in a rush, I'd recommend to manually set a 12 sat/byte fee. That's enough to (almost) guarantee it'll confirm in the weekend. Once this is confirmed, all other unconfirmed transactions should disappear from your Blockchain.info(.com?) wallet, and you can send the remaining balance.

Assuming you've had your Blockchain.info wallet for years, you may want to read up on Forkcoins you may own.

Ok I'll try this later on. Really appreciate your's and everyone else advice on the topic. Really awesome community you have here. Thanks!

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Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 15, 2021, 09:56:45 PM

I can deal with weeks. I read some places it could take a year for some of these that really scared me.

The last time transactions with 2 sat/byte got confirmed, was January 28, 2.5 months ago. I've kept track of low fees for years, and don't expect 2 sat/byte to be confirmed any time soon. You could indeed be looking at many months.

Quote from: cheeseburgerlover8912 on April 15, 2021, 09:06:19 PM

I'm in the process of moving in small amounts to a better wallet.

You should probably read up on consolidating your small inputs, you're doing the exact opposite, which is expensive.

My advice: export the private key to 1PvKs6nDSsd844WsjnZKEZFF8hb3SyLUQ4 from Blockchain.info. Import it into a new Electrum wallet, and send the entire balance at once to your new wallet. Make sure there is no change left, just empty the address. I've tested importing your address (watch-only), and as expected Electrum doesn't even know about your 2 sat/byte transaction, so you can just create a new one.
Since you're not in a rush, I'd recommend to manually set a 12 sat/byte fee. That's enough to (almost) guarantee it'll confirm in the weekend. Once this is confirmed, all other unconfirmed transactions should disappear from your Blockchain.info(.com?) wallet, and you can send the remaining balance.

Assuming you've had your Blockchain.info wallet for years, you may want to read up on Forkcoins you may own.

HCP

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It shouldn't take a year... but one problem you might run into is that I suspect that the blockchain.com wallet system automatically rebroadcasts transactions and/or their system holds the transactions for a much longer period that other nodes do.

This could potentially mean your transactions end up in "limbo" for an extended period of time, if they keep being rebroadcast Undecided

As ranochigo says, mempoolminfee has increased lately... currently on https://mempool.space/ it is showing as 3.7 sats/byte... so theoretically most nodes with a "default" config should have purged your transactions... but these 2 transactions are still showing up on a number of blockexplorers (blockcypher, blockchain, btc.com, blockchair etc)

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