UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 1044.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on September 20, 2023, 03:56:11 PM

If Ten Hag is the problem, why did man Utd go through those lengths to get him and their fans were super convinced about his methodologies? My opinion is that Man Utd should stick with ten hag a bit longer. Too much instability in a team makes it harder for players to adapt to ever-changing tactics and plays. I feel this is the reason why Chelsea is struggling as well because they're changing coaches like Man Utd and giving little time for their very-rich squads to mature.

I'm all for Ten hag managerial position continuation.

If results are bad on the pitch; it is the coachs fault; that will not change, not in an 100 years. When the team was doing well and winning the energy cup everyone praised Ten Hag for an increadible feat; thus now that result is the other way; it is the coach fault.

The MUFC team cannot play better football beyond 20 minutes; they cannot protect a lead and cannot even defend a lead; thats poor coaching right there.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 20, 2023, 04:04:45 PM

Manchester united had the tendency and the vIbe to fight and get a come back against Bayern Munich but unfortunately they have a leaking pipe behind at the goal post in the person of Onana therefore they have a long way to go in terms of keeping a clean sheet in a match.
The result of today's game 4:3 shows that a come back would have been possible if the goal keeper was making the necessary savings as expected.

I also want to give it to Arsenal.
What a beautiful way for arsenal to have come back to the European champions league and winning their first game in a superb style after many years. I initially thought they Arsenal were going to struggle in getting a victory with their first game but I guess a premier league team can't do less against a team as PSV.

FT. Arsenal 4:0 PSV

Indeed I'd have to hand it to Man UTD because they beat a lot of expectations especially as they were down by 2 goals in the first half and for a long while after the second goal was netted by Gnabry, I was like " let the show begin" but then Erik's men didn't lose hope. Even if they lost, they showed Bayern that they still got what it takes to play in the champions league.

Another interesting club performance was that of the Gunners. Honestly, they couldn't announce their return to champions league better and with this performance, Arteta can be a little rested. Some believe they've got the easier group because of the teams they've got; Sevilla, PSV, and Lens but I still believe that they'd need to treat every opponent like a serious threat because sometimes it's the one you least expected that will demoralize you and I won't like to see them go off like that.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 20, 2023, 04:04:45 PM

Manchester united had the tendency and the vIbe to fight and get a come back against Bayern Munich but unfortunately they have a leaking pipe behind at the goal post in the person of Onana therefore they have a long way to go in terms of keeping a clean sheet in a match.
The result of today's game 4:3 shows that a come back would have been possible if the goal keeper was making the necessary savings as expected.

I also want to give it to Arsenal.
What a beautiful way for arsenal to have come back to the European champions league and winning their first game in a superb style after many years. I initially thought they Arsenal were going to struggle in getting a victory with their first game but I guess a premier league team can't do less against a team as PSV.

FT. Arsenal 4:0 PSV

Since Joining Manchester United, this game is the first Onana caused blunders and errors. And you lashing out on him means you watched the back of the TV. You analyze blindly, cynically. I'll knock it off here. But you should learn how to watch football.
Onana remains a good player he just lacks a good defense.

Shout out to gunners, they really impressed me, team work and understanding amongst themselves. They should have dine better during the second half. They should have scored more goals. Good they'll take and save that for the weekend.

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Quote from: borovichok on September 20, 2023, 04:01:09 PM

Quote from: Doell on September 20, 2023, 03:23:00 PM

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The referee, Glenn Nyberg have blown the final whistle for the second half, Bayern Munich 4 while Manchester United 3. It was an entertaining game for to watch, both sides displayed their very best performance on the pitch, unfortunately one side score zero points. Erik Ten Hag will improve his strategy, he did his best, it's not an easy game to play the Bundesliga giant and nets goal, in the fight to levelled the game but they couldn't because of the strong defendlines of Bayern Munich. However all hope is not lost for the Red Devils, they would to make it in their next game.

I'm not really sure about that, but yes I admit every coach will try to make improvements for each next match even though not all plans work as expected. Ten Hag may need to appreciate his team's performance today, but he should regret the defeat because his defense was not as good as it should have been.

Next October, Manchester United will play at home against Galatasaray. It's probably a game Manchester United can win, but I don't really expect them to underestimate Galatasaray.

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Quote from: Lida93 on September 20, 2023, 04:04:45 PM

Quote from: bitzizzix on September 20, 2023, 03:05:58 PM

It was difficult for Manchester to equalize the score because their play was very easy to read and when Manchester United had the ball they often played from the wings and went straight to Marcus Rashford. This is different from Bayern Munich's playing pattern, which plays with a system, starting from the midfield, the left and right wings all play a role.
Andre Onana also performed poorly because he was unable to block the ball strongly so Leroy Sane scored a goal in the 28th minute, and Serge Gnabry scored the second goal in the 32nd minute. In the second half, if Erik ten Hag had not made changes, I think Manchester United would have conceded again.

Manchester united had the tendency and the vIbe to fight and get a come back against Bayern Munich but unfortunately they have a leaking pipe behind at the goal post in the person of Onana therefore they have a long way to go in terms of keeping a clean sheet in a match.
The result of today's game 4:3 shows that a come back would have been possible if the goal keeper was making the necessary savings as expected.

I also want to give it to Arsenal.
What a beautiful way for arsenal to have come back to the European champions league and winning their first game in a superb style after many years. I initially thought they Arsenal were going to struggle in getting a victory with their first game but I guess a premier league team can't do less against a team as PSV.

FT. Arsenal 4:0 PSV

I didn't have Onana on my mind as a player who is prone to making that kind of mistakes, but isn't he usually very reliable? These things can happen and on that level is punished by a team like Bayern Munich, but still it's not the best performance by Bayern either when they get a penalty as a present and a goal due to a goalkeeper mistake and yet its is only one goal that puts them ahead of Manchester United. This game should have been over a couple of times but a lack in concentration brought Manchester United back into the game repeatedly. 3 points for Bayern yes, but not the performance they are supposed to give when they really want to go after the trophy.

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Quote from: Dobabe on September 20, 2023, 03:55:44 PM

This is never the Manchester united that I used to know, If ETH doesn't do anything concerning the goalkeeper I see Manchester going down, in my own point of view I see the team trying to make things right in teams of defence, tactics, passion to fight but the goalkeeper let them down everytime.

The best idea for Manchester United right now is to buy a new goalkeeper and start back from where they stopped. Besides is never too late for Manchester united

This is a bit hilarious, were you expecting Man Utd to defeat FC Bayern Munich at home?, with the kind of performance we saw them display lately, No way mate, if at all I was expecting them to perform well not actually in their game against Bayern Munich.

Even the 2:2 draw result from Galatasaray vs. Copenhagen is a thing of worry as it stands because every team in their group now has at least a point except Manchester United and is a big problem for United right now.

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Quote from: Lillominato89 on September 20, 2023, 03:24:30 PM

I think I haven't seen such a bad match played by Inter for at least 4 years, today they really seem absent, and Real Sociedad are playing a very respectable match, they seem to be going at double the speed of the Inter players. If they continue like this they will get a well-deserved victory, but Inter's path in this Champions League will be complicated

Yep, Inter played unexpectedly today. Real Sociedad played more offensively and they succeed to make 14 shoots (5 shoots on target), meanwhile Inter seems to have difficulty to attack because they only made 6 shoots during the match (only 1 shoot on target). I don't know what's happening with Inter, they seems to have the wrong tactic or their players are in bad motivation to play. It is very different with their performance in Serie A, they played perfectly in Serie A this season.

However, Inter is lucky that they have Lautaro Martinez because this man saved Inter from a lose. Martinez scored in minute 87' and the match ended with a draw result today.

Final result: Real Sociedad 1-1 Inter Milan.

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Galatasaray played very well but could not win, Copenhagen attacked twice and scored a goal both times.
Galatasaray scored 2 goals in the last minutes and drew. It was a very exciting game, Boey's goal was great.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on September 20, 2023, 03:05:58 PM

It was difficult for Manchester to equalize the score because their play was very easy to read and when Manchester United had the ball they often played from the wings and went straight to Marcus Rashford. This is different from Bayern Munich's playing pattern, which plays with a system, starting from the midfield, the left and right wings all play a role.
Andre Onana also performed poorly because he was unable to block the ball strongly so Leroy Sane scored a goal in the 28th minute, and Serge Gnabry scored the second goal in the 32nd minute. In the second half, if Erik ten Hag had not made changes, I think Manchester United would have conceded again.

Manchester united had the tendency and the vIbe to fight and get a come back against Bayern Munich but unfortunately they have a leaking pipe behind at the goal post in the person of Onana therefore they have a long way to go in terms of keeping a clean sheet in a match.
The result of today's game 4:3 shows that a come back would have been possible if the goal keeper was making the necessary savings as expected.

I also want to give it to Arsenal.
What a beautiful way for arsenal to have come back to the European champions league and winning their first game in a superb style after many years. I initially thought they Arsenal were going to struggle in getting a victory with their first game but I guess a premier league team can't do less against a team as PSV.

FT. Arsenal 4:0 PSV

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Quote from: Doell on September 20, 2023, 03:23:00 PM

Manchester United in the second half now has got one score, but Bayern also can add another score, its really bad for Red Devils. Also Manchester United performance is really bad in the premier league, on the other side I agree with you Manchester United needs a fresh coach. Because if not, then this season they will not get any tickets in the Premier League. Although it is still too early to say that, because may Ten Hag be able to improve his performance, but to be honest I doubt him this season.

The referee, Glenn Nyberg have blown the final whistle for the second half, Bayern Munich 4 while Manchester United 3. It was an entertaining game for to watch, both sides displayed their very best performance on the pitch, unfortunately one side score zero points. Erik Ten Hag will improve his strategy, he did his best, it's not an easy game to play the Bundesliga giant and nets goal, in the fight to levelled the game but they couldn't because of the strong defendlines of Bayern Munich. However all hope is not lost for the Red Devils, they would to make it in their next game.

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Quote from: Doell on September 20, 2023, 03:23:00 PM

Manchester United in the second half now has got one score, but Bayern also can add another score, its really bad for Red Devils. Also Manchester United performance is really bad in the premier league, on the other side I agree with you Manchester United needs a fresh coach. Because if not, then this season they will not get any tickets in the Premier League. Although it is still too early to say that, because may Ten Hag be able to improve his performance, but to be honest I doubt him this season.

If Ten Hag is the problem, why did man Utd go through those lengths to get him and their fans were super convinced about his methodologies? My opinion is that Man Utd should stick with ten hag a bit longer. Too much instability in a team makes it harder for players to adapt to ever-changing tactics and plays. I feel this is the reason why Chelsea is struggling as well because they're changing coaches like Man Utd and giving little time for their very-rich squads to mature.

I'm all for Ten hag managerial position continuation.

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This is never the Manchester united that I used to know, If ETH doesn't do anything concerning the goalkeeper I see Manchester going down, in my own point of view I see the team trying to make things right in teams of defence, tactics, passion to fight but the goalkeeper let them down everytime.

The best idea for Manchester united right now is to buy a new goalkeeper and start back from where they stopped. Besides is never too late for Manchester united

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Today we had Real Madrid against Union Berlin and while the game for Real Madrid couldn't be hard however they can't use their player, Dani Carvajal.
This season Real Madrid had many players injured just after the season started and this is not good for a team like Real Madrid when they are going to race in different tournaments like La Liga and the Champions League.
In the last team training Dani Carvajal was absent and still, we don't know when he is going to come back.

https://www.football-espana.net/2023/09/19/carlo-ancelotti-gives-injury-updates-on-dani-carvajal-and-arda-guler-confirms-starters-for-union-berlin

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Quote from: bitzizzix on September 20, 2023, 03:05:58 PM

It was difficult for Manchester to equalize the score because their play was very easy to read and when Manchester United had the ball they often played from the wings and went straight to Marcus Rashford. This is different from Bayern Munich's playing pattern, which plays with a system, starting from the midfield, the left and right wings all play a role.
Andre Onana also performed poorly because he was unable to block the ball strongly so Leroy Sane scored a goal in the 28th minute, and Serge Gnabry scored the second goal in the 32nd minute. In the second half, if Erik ten Hag had not made changes, I think Manchester United would have conceded again.

Between 4 minutes(49) into the second half, Hojlund scored his first goal for Manchester United, making the score line 2-1. Within the short time of play(54), Bayern topped the score line(3-1) with a penalty by Harry Kane.

Manchester United's flops in today's match against Bayern Munich are caused by their defense. Manchester United's defense is so porous that a team can maneuver so easily to score. I wouldn't blame Onana for all the goals scored against Manchester United. Onana is still a wonderful goalkeeper even with his poor mistake that warranted the second goal. But the rest of the goals scored are to be blamed on Manchester United defenders. They all defend poorly

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Quote from: bitzizzix on September 20, 2023, 03:05:58 PM

It was difficult for Manchester to equalize the score because their play was very easy to read and when Manchester United had the ball they often played from the wings and went straight to Marcus Rashford. This is different from Bayern Munich's playing pattern, which plays with a system, starting from the midfield, the left and right wings all play a role.
Andre Onana also performed poorly because he was unable to block the ball strongly so Leroy Sane scored a goal in the 28th minute, and Serge Gnabry scored the second goal in the 32nd minute. In the second half, if Erik ten Hag had not made changes, I think Manchester United would have conceded again.

We shouldn't just blame one player for the defeat in this match, I think every player has done their job as best as possible even though the results of the current match have made me deeply disappointed.

I wasn't surprised by the loss by Bayern Munich because they are the favorites at home, but I appreciated the work of Ten Hag's men even though their performance was not as good as expected. Casemiro managed to reduce the deficit to 3-2, it was an entertaining goal before Bayern Munich finally sealed their victory with a goal from Mathys Tel.

Edit; Casemiro scored his second goal with a header and the match ended with the score 4-3.

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Manchester United have just scored their second goal but Bayern Munich are still leading by 3-2 in the last minutes. I think this will probably end up with Bayern Munich's victory. But still the Red Devils won't lose by a big goal gap at least. If that happened I can't imagine how much more demoralized they would be.

Manchester United will be at the last position after this result. But I don't expect this to last long. Because they are still the favourite team for the second position and I don't expect another thing than that to happen. Galatasaray or Copenhagen need to play much better against them to surprise us.

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Arsenal is playing like Arsenal again. Finally they see Champions League again after all these years and I can say this is definitely a great start. Saka, Trossard and Jesus all scored in first half and Ødegaard scored in second half. That shows us how great Arsenal's offensive power. It was important to start with 3 points and they started great for this group. I believe they can advance to next round from this group being in the first place. They look very good on the field.

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Es expected, Manchester United have all but lost the game to Bayern who are by far the better team. Manchester United are still a long way from being a top team in European football and will take a lot more rebuilding to compete in the continent and even domestically.

Arsenal have been mighty impressive tonight and I really look forward to watching them more on week nights competing with the best clubs from around Europe.

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Bayern 2 - 0 Man United (Half-time)
Man United's chances of winning the match are looking quite slim. Bayern appears incredibly solid in the first-half contest. There haven't been many scoring opportunities as we saw in the Real Madrid match. Perhaps this is still a period of adjustment for Man United's squad as they strive to discover their optimal team composition.

I have my doubts whether Man United can score 2 goals . It sounds like a formidable task for the current match.

Man Utd had couple of good chances on 0-0 and could have taken this match in another direction but now it looks just an easy win for Bayern Munich. I think Man Utd needs to sack Ten Hag as fast as possible because they only have bad results with him and they need something fresh.

The way goals are coming into the Manchester united net is so embarrassing that every shot's on target has a 95% chances of pass through Onana into the net. De gea wasn't this bad conceding in bug matches as this. Ten hag need to do more this season as his defensive style is very poor, the midfield and as such can't withstand a team like Bayern Munich with a striker like Harry Kane in front. If Manchester united continue this way ten hag won't see November as a United manager.

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Quote from: MinoRaiola on September 20, 2023, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: Joca97 on September 20, 2023, 02:59:53 PM

Man Utd had couple of good chances on 0-0 and could have taken this match in another direction but now it looks just an easy win for Bayern Munich. I think Man Utd needs to sack Ten Hag as fast as possible because they only have bad results with him and they need something fresh.

Now it is 3:1 and Kane has also scored a goal, no matter that it was a penalty. Manchester United has a good team, the coach also uses them good, but still they do not win, maybe he really has to go. A few minutes ago, Sane shortly before the 4:1, it was a shot on the crossbar.

Hojlund reducing the deficit earlier was a good moment but Kane made the difference and added to Bayern's lead in this match which makes it difficult to come back from a goal deficit in the remaining time now.
I'm actually quite happy with this result because in the end it's a good bet for me.
Right now it's getting into crucial time and it's moments like this that are difficult to predict but I'm pretty confident in Bayern's victory in this match.

At least there was a slightly better match on show from Manchester United against a big club like Bayern even though they lost.

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