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Quote from: hahay on June 08, 2023, 11:04:51 AM

It's really very unfortunate, Fiorentina failed to win the title for the Conference League this season after failing to win in the final match against West Ham. Because if I consider the statistical results, it is clear that Fiorentina has very good statistical dominance and that Fiorentina deserves to win a trophy. Although indeed, previously I also chose West Ham to win, but if the statistics are like that then of course Fiorentina can play better than West Ham and Fiorentina deserves to win.

But apart from that, we also have to be able to accept reality with the final results that have been obtained, and congratulations to West Ham who have won a trophy this season despite the fact that West Ham is not doing very well in the Premier League this season.

Congratulation to West Ham. Many people believe that Fiorentina will beat West Ham because West Ham did not perform well in the Premier League, but I dispel that notion by pointing out that both teams are playing in the final game, and if it ends up being the final game, every team will be extremely focused on doing everything in their power to win.
West Ham's opening goal gave the squad a real opportunity to play well and even have a chance to score another goal at the end of the game's 90 minutes.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:30 PM

Fiorentina definitely put it all on the floor, they were the team that played the hardest and they deserved a win without a doubt. But just like mourinho said, they can take the ball to home if they want to, he prefers the three points. This is the same logic but instead it's the cup, Fiorentina played as well as they can, and definitely did something marvellous by being at the finals as well but if you can't score more than the other team then you are not going to win anything.

Most people focused on who played better, but that doesn't mean anything, if one team shot 30 times and the other once but the one that shot once ended up winning 1-0 that's all that matters. This is why it's quite important to just win, that's it, nothing else matters.

Indeed, how much do Fiorentina have domination in the match, but if Fiorentina always fails to convert opportunities into goals, then of course Fiorentina will also lose. However, that does not mean that with this failure Fiorentina did not deserve to win a trophy, because the great efforts that continued to be made were that Fiorentina should have won. Maybe also, the luck factor plays a big role in this match, because if West Ham doesn't have great luck too then at least West Ham will also fail to make a decisive goal in the last minutes approaching the end of the match.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on June 08, 2023, 01:22:30 PM

Fiorentina definitely put it all on the floor, they were the team that played the hardest and they deserved a win without a doubt. But just like mourinho said, they can take the ball to home if they want to, he prefers the three points. This is the same logic but instead it's the cup, Fiorentina played as well as they can, and definitely did something marvellous by being at the finals as well but if you can't score more than the other team then you are not going to win anything.

Most people focused on who played better, but that doesn't mean anything, if one team shot 30 times and the other once but the one that shot once ended up winning 1-0 that's all that matters. This is why it's quite important to just win, that's it, nothing else matters.

Yes it's true the final result is the most important but Fiorentina efforts deserve to be respected they have done what they can
sometimes every effort is also needed luck it's just that this time West Ham is more fortunate penalty and goal in the last minute is luck
Congratulations to West Ham through this competition they get a place in the European League next season.

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Fiorentina definitely put it all on the floor, they were the team that played the hardest and they deserved a win without a doubt. But just like mourinho said, they can take the ball to home if they want to, he prefers the three points. This is the same logic but instead it's the cup, Fiorentina played as well as they can, and definitely did something marvellous by being at the finals as well but if you can't score more than the other team then you are not going to win anything.

Most people focused on who played better, but that doesn't mean anything, if one team shot 30 times and the other once but the one that shot once ended up winning 1-0 that's all that matters. This is why it's quite important to just win, that's it, nothing else matters.

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Quote from: salad daging on June 08, 2023, 10:37:57 AM

Even though Fiorentina controlled all the games last night it's just that they were unlucky for them, while the Fiorentina defense conceded a little in the final minutes which made them regret a little about losing at the end of the match.
To be honest, I didn't expect West Ham to win, but they were consistent for a victory, despite being pressured by Fiorentina's play West Ham was able to see that opportunity, and became their decisive goal to win the Conference League trophy.

Sometimes even dominating a match doesn't necessarily make the team win and that's how Fiorentina feels. We know very well last night that Fiorentina played so offensively that they created many chances, it's just that their finishing was not perfect. Whereas for West Ham, who barely moved, he was able to score his second goal and if I'm not mistaken, Bowen was the only player from West Ham who was guarded by around 3 to 4 defenders from Florence, but he managed to get through to sprint until he scored a goal by utilizing a breakthrough pass from Lucas Paquetta.

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...so I chose the Under 2.75 bet...

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And if I had to bet on a team anyway, I would bet on West Ham.

I guessed right, but didn't make the bet haha

The English teams are very strong, and the premier league in general is really the most competitive in Europe in my opinion.
West Ham in 14th place in the domestic league, and they managed to become champions. Fiorentina in 8th in the national unfortunately missed their chance, and are out next year.

If anyone is interested, here are the highlights of the match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DHqi71eJ24

Was it just me or did you also find this league very difficult to bet on?
In the champions league I got better results, and even in the europa league, but the conference league I found more difficult.

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It's really very unfortunate, Fiorentina failed to win the title for the Conference League this season after failing to win in the final match against West Ham. Because if I consider the statistical results, it is clear that Fiorentina has very good statistical dominance and that Fiorentina deserves to win a trophy. Although indeed, previously I also chose West Ham to win, but if the statistics are like that then of course Fiorentina can play better than West Ham and Fiorentina deserves to win.

But apart from that, we also have to be able to accept reality with the final results that have been obtained, and congratulations to West Ham who have won a trophy this season despite the fact that West Ham is not doing very well in the Premier League this season.

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Two Italian League teams have been defeated in two consecutive final stages. First, despite performing well in the UEFA European League final, they lost on penalties against Roma and in the Europa Conference League final, Fiorentina lost to West Ham despite a relatively good performance. In other words, two Italian league teams have been defeated in the finals of two major tournaments. The Italians have a big tournament final match ahead of them. Inter Milan will take on Manchester City next Saturday to achieve excellence in Europe. If Inter Milan loses that match against Manchester City, all teams in the Italian league this season will be deemed to have failed in the final stage. Inter are likely to lose against Manchester City.

Actually Fiorentina played well in the final, but they were very unlucky last night. Fiorentina's performance is much better than West Ham's, but West Ham's last goal has ruined all of Fiorentina's plans. West Ham were under a lot of pressure the whole game because Fiorentina pressed with great intensity, but in the end West Ham managed to find space to create chances and they won the game.

It's true that 2 Serie A teams failed win the final this season, and surely that is something that happened by chance. There may be another coincidence that a Serie A side will have in the final, it is Inter going up against Manchester City in the Champions League final.

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Quote from: visionE2 on June 08, 2023, 05:38:07 AM

First shit Rome, Now Fiorentina and soon to be Inter. Team Italy is the definition of coming so close but not enough. Wishing everyone was here when Inter milan won it. Italy's performance in European football this season has been very good, the only problem is that the curse is not lifted because they are so close. Fortunately, Inter Milan might turn this around as they were the last Italian team to win a European title, when they won the Treble with Jose Mourinho in 2010, if they beat Manchester City.

Intermilan gonna be the last hope for italian league to win the european competition this season. Its opponent was the best club in the world and so many parties are favoring manchester city to win the trophy against intermilan with huge scores.
I don't even think if it's gonna be an easy game. Intermilan may be performing even better than city. So many eyes are waiting for this match. I just wanna see how inter will be reducing the best attacking line that owned by manchester city.

The odds said that if manchester city gonna win the match easily but im feeling doubt about that. It's very hard to determine which team that will be making the first score.
The history with jose was happened more than a decade ago. intermilan is coming with the different squads and coach right now. Im feeling if intermilan gonna use counter attack strategy against manchester city.
Fiorentina has been giving awareness for intermilan about how strong EPL club in the defensive mode.

It will become a hard work for intermilan as the last candidate from italian league. Fiorentina has been giving its best to win against westham but it's not enough.

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Quote from: sokani on June 08, 2023, 10:35:11 AM

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No one expected that it was West Ham who won the conference league this season after beating Fiorentina in the dying minutes of the game. Bowen became the hero in this final match by scoring the winning goal in the 90th minute to make the score 1-2 for West Ham's victory. This is the first title for west ham after 43 years without a title and they finally managed to bring home this conference league trophy to England. Looks like we really can't be underestimated by a team like West Ham who could surprise Fiorentina in the final.

Westham United had a poor outing in their domestic campaign this season but they players can raise their heads up high after their triumphant victory over Florentina last night. Winning this silverware means a lot to the team as they have now ended their trophy drought.... Winning their first major european trophy after 43 years and an automatic qualification to play in the europa league next season is something they should be proud of.

It was all like a dream for West Ham yesterday after they luckily scored the goal that made their made come true by Bowen. EPL has been a great challenge for West Ham but they had to console themselves with their victory over Florentina yesterday to show the world that the club isn't that bad in and can also win a trophy from one of the European league which was impossible for West Ham since 1965.

This should be a challenge to Inter because Italian clubs have woefully failed in two consecutive finals,for them to come up with a good tactics that will overpower Manchester city game strategy in order for them to win UCL next weekend. If they fail to win City,it means that England will win two European trophies this season. While for the Italians,this will be their most unlucky season because they went,they saw,but they couldn't conquer.

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GGWP for fiorentina. It must accept if westham is far superior in this match compared with fiorentina. This is a great achievement for declan rice. Fiorentina has been trying so hard but it's not lucky enough to win the game at this moment.

Fiorentina shall get a lot of appreciation and i think that if arsenal will be so happy caused by declan was winning a trophy while arsenal was lesstrophy this season.

Westham has become a new winner after roma was winning the conference league last season. What a great game.

Fiorentina had 17:8 shots, 4:4 attempts on target, 68% ball possession and 80:65% passing accuracy. What makes you think that West Ham United was far superior in that match? The only statistic you could turn into making the game sound as if West Ham was superior would be if you say that West Ham scored "100% more goals than Fiorentina" and you wouldn't even be wrong. Try out that one because in all other statistics Fiorentina was at least as good as West Ham and mostly a lot better. You won't find many games with these statistics and see the dominating team lose. Of course it happens, but it is not the normal outcome of a game with such numbers.

The result from the match is my main concern to say why westham is far superior in the match. If westham played like a mediocre club and it would not win conference league. The stats meant nothing, but the result is something. Im not focusing into the statistic. Stats meant nothing for me.
The result is determining everything. That's why westham is superior to me above fiorentina. It doesn't matter how many goal attempts, even ball possessions owned by fiorentina yet westham is the winner in this match.

Can we call that a loser in this match as a superior compared with the winner? My logic was not saying like that.

But semantics exist for a reason, language exists for a reason with all the facets it brings about. To be exact here, you said that West Ham was "far superior". Why add the comparative adverb "far" when nothing but the result counts? You are contradicting yourself because according to your logic, you would usually just say superior. Whoever wins the game is superior. Ok, not my opinion but does at least make sense. But when you yourself add the word "far" you are trying to imply something besides the result I guess because a one goal difference doesn't reflect your "far" very well.

Anyway, it's ok to see the result only, but since soccer and many professional sports are about the minor details on the highest level, to me it is also interesting to see what actually happened and whether the loser also played a good game. When you see a five set match in tennis with four tie-breakers and in the end you say the winner was far superior, I am not sure that is semantically correct... Cheesy

But that is up to you.

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Quote from: masulum on June 08, 2023, 06:53:35 AM

I think the only chance for Serie A team who can bring European trophies is Fiorentina, but West Ham managed to beat Fiorentina with a last minute goal. Now, Inter Milan is under pressure from the EPL champions and also Pep Guardiola who already has a good history of winning titles in all competitions. However, Simone Inzaghi needs to come up with a strategy that can break the aggressive attacks that may be practiced by Man. City players. Inter must be able to maximize counter attack and effectiveness in scoring goals & defends to bring UCL trophies to Italy.

One more hope for Serie A is Inter Milan will this team win?
it's still very difficult to say, in fact, Manchester City is greater and this beats any game I see, we'll see how Inzaghi's strategy and tactics apply whether they will appear more attacking or more defensive, but that's what I see where Inter Milan will definitely defend more than attack.

Quote from: rendravolt on June 08, 2023, 08:58:21 AM

No one expected that it was West Ham who won the conference league this season after beating Fiorentina in the dying minutes of the game. Bowen became the hero in this final match by scoring the winning goal in the 90th minute to make the score 1-2 for West Ham's victory. This is the first title for west ham after 43 years without a title and they finally managed to bring home this conference league trophy to England. Looks like we really can't be underestimated by a team like West Ham who could surprise Fiorentina in the final.

Even though Fiorentina controlled all the games last night it's just that they were unlucky for them, while the Fiorentina defense conceded a little in the final minutes which made them regret a little about losing at the end of the match.
To be honest, I didn't expect West Ham to win, but they were consistent for a victory, despite being pressured by Fiorentina's play West Ham was able to see that opportunity, and became their decisive goal to win the Conference League trophy.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 08, 2023, 08:58:21 AM

No one expected that it was West Ham who won the conference league this season after beating Fiorentina in the dying minutes of the game. Bowen became the hero in this final match by scoring the winning goal in the 90th minute to make the score 1-2 for West Ham's victory. This is the first title for west ham after 43 years without a title and they finally managed to bring home this conference league trophy to England. Looks like we really can't be underestimated by a team like West Ham who could surprise Fiorentina in the final.

Westham United had a poor outing in their domestic campaign this season but they players can raise their heads up high after their triumphant victory over Florentina last night. Winning this piece of silverware means a lot to the team as they have now ended their trophy drought.... Winning their first major european trophy after 43 years and an automatic qualification to play in the europa league next season is something they should be proud of.

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Quote from: zuzie on June 08, 2023, 07:38:43 AM

I also thought so somehow all the teams from Serie A who went to the final were defeated starting from Roma then Fiorentina next Inter Milan? this looks like a curse
Based on statistics Fiorentina controlled the match but unfortunately the disaster came in the last minute I think this is only a bad day for Fiorentina, at least they have tried as much as possible.I am curious about the curse of the Serie A team in the Champions League Cheesy

Its seems waste for Serie A teams after success dominance in European final competition from Europe League, Conference League until Champion League after AS Roma and Fiorentina failure become the champion. Left Inter Milan will success as Serie A team winning Champion League or not against Manchester City?

Last games, Fiorentina success dominance ball possession 68% comparison with West Ham United 32%, but Jarrod Bowen goals on last minutes match made Fiorentina loss their chance for winning Conference League. Congrats for West Ham United winning Conference League and got Europe League automatically ticket next season although in domestic league finish under 10th position standings.

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Quote from: rendravolt on June 08, 2023, 08:58:21 AM

No one expected that it was West Ham who won the conference league this season after beating Fiorentina in the dying minutes of the game. Bowen became the hero in this final match by scoring the winning goal in the 90th minute to make the score 1-2 for West Ham's victory. This is the first title for west ham after 43 years without a title and they finally managed to bring home this conference league trophy to England. Looks like we really can't be underestimated by a team like West Ham who could surprise Fiorentina in the final.

Fiorentina and West Ham odds were similar before the game then comes West Ham goal from penalty which didn't turn the game for a long since Fiorentina scored. The other goal scored by West Ham in the end of the game finished Fiorentina hope. I expected them to win, well I said they were slightly better but West Ham proved they are a hard opponent in European competitions. Congratulations to them!

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GGWP for fiorentina. It must accept if westham is far superior in this match compared with fiorentina. This is a great achievement for declan rice. Fiorentina has been trying so hard but it's not lucky enough to win the game at this moment.

Fiorentina shall get a lot of appreciation and i think that if arsenal will be so happy caused by declan was winning a trophy while arsenal was lesstrophy this season.

Westham has become a new winner after roma was winning the conference league last season. What a great game.

Fiorentina had 17:8 shots, 4:4 attempts on target, 68% ball possession and 80:65% passing accuracy. What makes you think that West Ham United was far superior in that match? The only statistic you could turn into making the game sound as if West Ham was superior would be if you say that West Ham scored "100% more goals than Fiorentina" and you wouldn't even be wrong. Try out that one because in all other statistics Fiorentina was at least as good as West Ham and mostly a lot better. You won't find many games with these statistics and see the dominating team lose. Of course it happens, but it is not the normal outcome of a game with such numbers.

The result from the match is my main concern to say why westham is far superior in the match. If westham played like a mediocre club and it would not win conference league. The stats meant nothing, but the result is something. Im not focusing into the statistic. Stats meant nothing for me.
The result is determining everything. That's why westham is superior to me above fiorentina. It doesn't matter how many goal attempts, even ball possessions owned by fiorentina yet westham is the winner in this match.

Can we call that a loser in this match as a superior compared with the winner? My logic was not saying like that.

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No one expected that it was West Ham who won the conference league this season after beating Fiorentina in the dying minutes of the game. Bowen became the hero in this final match by scoring the winning goal in the 90th minute to make the score 1-2 for West Ham's victory. This is the first title for west ham after 43 years without a title and they finally managed to bring home this conference league trophy to England. Looks like we really can't be underestimated by a team like West Ham who could surprise Fiorentina in the final.

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I really hoped to see West Ham winning the title and they did it. Managing to do this in regular time is another impressive feat by West Ham. Actually the winner goal came in the last minutes and this didn't give Fiorentina much time to score another goal. Fiorentina were really good at answering first but this time the time wasn't enough for it.

I appreciate their effort as well but congratulations to West Ham on this dedicated effort and win at the end. I was waiting for a close score and it really happened. Italian teams are indeed having a bad season now.

Congratulations to the West Ham team as they have won the championship. But West Ham were very lucky so they won. I don't think West Ham's gameplay was very good either. Fate helped them win.
West Ham scored their second goal in the 90th minute with a superb Jarrod Bowen goal from Lucas Paqueta's pass. But in the match, we saw the dominance of Fiorentina players. The team had 63% possession of the ball. And made a total of 16 shots. On the other hand, West Ham scored only 8. Although Fiorentina were attacking, West Ham tried to keep their defense strong and try to score on the counter-attack.

It is truly commendable for West Ham that they have won a major trophy in the Europa Conference League for the first time since 1980. After 43 years they faced Fiorentina in the final and won the title, West Ham's second European trophy. This match was a tough fight between the two teams but West Ham won the match due to their luck. Fiorentina tried their hardest to win the match and had the ball most of the time. However, West Ham could not keep much of the ball in their possession, Fiorentina fought back brilliantly and did not lack in attack, and the match was a draw. But then, in dramatic luck, Jarrod Bowen's superb goal in the last minute gave West Ham a huge win. This match was really a win for West Ham. Fiorentina attacked most of the match from start to finish but they lost the match.

Although Fiorentina did not win, we have to admit that their players played very well. However, despite many attacks, they could not break West Ham's defense. West Ham was tactical in this match. Since Fiorentina played attacking from the beginning of the match. So West Ham's main goal was to keep their defense tight. And this they have been able to do well. West Ham's defense has been weak in previous matches, but West Ham's defenders have played very well in this match. At the same time, they were very lucky. Otherwise, he could not have won by scoring at the last moment. Luck was with West Ham.

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It's great to see West Ham United finally clinch a major European trophy after a long wait since 1965. The match against Fiorentina was a tough one as the Italian side seemed to dominate for most of the game, but West Ham managed to capitalize on their chances and got the goals that's what matters. Hats off to both the team and manager David Moyes for their winning. Moyes was calm and focused on the Conference league, ultimately leading his team to victory. None Italian club is likely to win any trophies this season, this result surely putting Inter Milan under greater pressure. As an observer, I can feel that Italian clubs may continue struggle to win anything this season.

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Quote from: masulum on June 08, 2023, 06:53:35 AM

I think the only chance for Serie A team who can bring European trophies is Fiorentina, but West Ham managed to beat Fiorentina with a last minute goal. Now, Inter Milan is under pressure from the EPL champions and also Pep Guardiola who already has a good history of winning titles in all competitions. However, Simone Inzaghi needs to come up with a strategy that can break the aggressive attacks that may be practiced by Man. City players. Inter must be able to maximize counter attack and effectiveness in scoring goals & defends to bring UCL trophies to Italy.

I also thought so somehow all the teams from Serie A who went to the final were defeated starting from Roma then Fiorentina next Inter Milan? this looks like a curse
Based on statistics Fiorentina controlled the match but unfortunately the disaster came in the last minute I think this is only a bad day for Fiorentina, at least they have tried as much as possible.I am curious about the curse of the Serie A team in the Champions League Cheesy

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