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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 06, 2021, 03:27:21 PM

I watched Eddie's Stream (co-owner of Stake and the Official betting partner of the UFC) today and he placed a bet on Israel Adesanya to win with a knockout in the first round. I think I am going to do the same, even though I know it is going to be a big call against Mr Strong jaw. Grin

It was really bad for stake that Adesanya lost because they had him as brand ambassador recently and the guy was undefeated until then. I am sure though he will come back strong in his actual weight class so not a big worry but it hurts to see an undefeated streak being broken now.

Eddie and stake even offered 3 times the winning if Adesanya wins before the timer and not sure if stake is happy because they must have won a lot of money from bettors or upset because their recent signing of Adesanya didn't go as planned.

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 06, 2021, 03:27:21 PM

I hope Israel is quick enough to dodge the power and to find a way through to bring him down early... if the fight goes on too long, he might get lucky and he might get Israel on the ground and use his power to tap him out. (well that is my prediction) Roll Eyes

Well, it's easy to say in hindsight but I always doubted the size problem which was evident in the fight and the defense from Blachowicz was unbelievable and even Adesanya commended it after the fight in the conference.

I hope not many guys lost their money because the 3 times winnings were just too lucrative to let go. On a side note, good to see stake still standing with Adesanya despite his loss.

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Quote from: Beparanf on March 08, 2021, 10:14:37 AM

In striking, Weight is an advantage but this is UFC which means any martial arts can be used so its pointless if you have the striking power while you can't land it properly to your opponent. Adasenya is very good in anticipating his opponents move that's why he is always 1 step ahead on his opponent. We already saw that he beats a monster powerful striker like Costa before.

In striking speed is the needed advantage and the reason Israel Adesanya did not plan on bulking his body to move in division is because he thought he needs to fight in his normal weight class and putting weight will slow him down and then his entire plan was to continue to defend his belt in the Middle Weight division but that is a negative if a heavier fighter takes you down because he has all the size advantage.

Quote from: rdbase on March 08, 2021, 06:40:27 PM

Would have to agree with you there. This so called experiment in advancing in a weightclass so fast caused him a failure at launch to happen in this fight
Maybe he should be looking for a comeback with a rematch with Robert Whittaker instead. Undecided

Israel Adesanya did not put in extra weight to move up in division, he did not cut any weight and even though moved up to fight in a bigger weight division he was fighting well below the weight limit.

Quote from: rdbase on March 08, 2021, 06:40:27 PM

Here is a good video from the same interviewer (celebrity gamerz) about where Israel got his fighting style from (in video games Huh

) and about fighting Jon Jones. But not anymore after this loss because there were some tweets saying Jones was laughing at him wanting to fight him now:

Jon Jones is a wrestler who happened to be the best fighters in MMA history period and Israel Adesanya will struggle on the ground but if it is a stand up bout without the MMA rules it is interesting.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on March 07, 2021, 11:31:17 PM

It appears that weight and size has been proven to be very advantageous even if the opponent has more skill in striking hehe. We might also begin to witness this storyline from fans that Israel Adesanya can beat Jon Jones will stop hehehe.

Would have to agree with you there. This so called experiment in advancing in a weightclass so fast caused him a failure at launch to happen in this fight
Maybe he should be looking for a comeback with a rematch with Robert Whittaker instead. Undecided

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6fa6NhKd_8

Here is a good video from the same interviewer (celebrity gamerz) about where Israel got his fighting style from (in video games Huh

) and about fighting Jon Jones. But not anymore after this loss because there were some tweets saying Jones was laughing at him wanting to fight him now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HhyEZ2HRo

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Quote from: rdbase on March 05, 2021, 03:49:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtnwaJQUBWg

Watch before the fight happens and see what makes this champion tick before placing your bets.
I can relate to the way Isreal carries himself into a fight and does not let things get in his way to achieve his goals.
Think of it as mamba mentality. Cool

I like Israel Adesanya and what he is doing for the sport MMA, however, how can he defeat Jan who is a fighter bringing 30 more pounds of weight over Adesanya? Dana is very much hyping his new pet hehehe. We should be realists because the fight might also be similar to Dustin Poirier vs Max Holloway.

that's what Jan meant when he said "I think he will take me seriously!" 30 more pounds isn't a safer opponent for anyone not even for the stylebender for a competitive MMA match. bigger fighters like Jan who is in the light heavyweight can easily recover after a slight groggy when hit by a high kick to the head. it's a dangerous weight class for Adesanya.

It appears that weight and size has been proven to be very advantageous even if the opponent has more skill in striking hehe. We might also begin to witness this storyline from fans that Israel Adesanya can beat Jon Jones will stop hehehe.

In striking, Weight is an advantage but this is UFC which means any martial arts can be used so its pointless if you have the striking power while you can't land it properly to your opponent. Adasenya is very good in anticipating his opponents move that's why he is always 1 step ahead on his opponent. We already saw that he beats a monster powerful striker like Costa before.

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UFC 259 Wrap Up Notes~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqIhGzeh6c
Gracie Breakdown, Amanda Nunes vs. Megan Anderson (UFC 259)

Very good breakdown of Amanda Nunes submission of Megan Anderson.

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It looked like Aljamain Sterling utilized the same gameplan his Serra Longo teammate Merab Dvalishvili uses. Trying to overwhelm opponents with a high pace. I would like to see Sterling try to get Petr Yan's back, he's very dangerous from that position with strong submissions.
Sean Brady's arm triangle from half guard submission, could be only the 2nd time someone has pulled that move off in the UFC. The other being Bryan Barberena's sub finish of Sage Northcutt.
Rogerio Bonterin gasing out and exhausting himself in round 1 reminded me of Rodolfo Vieira at UFC 258. Both Bonterin and Vieira share backgrounds as former BJJ champions. Maybe there is correlation there.
Yadong used to call himself Yadong "The Terminator" Song. Now his nickname is Yadong "Kung Fu Monkey" Song. He was a better fighter when he was "The Terminator" IMO back when Justin Buccholz was head coach of team alpha male.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on March 07, 2021, 08:42:11 PM

You must be confusing me with someone else or having badly quoted because I never said anywhere Adesanya has been a wimp during the fight. Blachowicz has been stronger than him and Adesanya fairly admitted it after the fight.

Sorry yeah, I was referring to you saying that Nunez would have been a smarter choice as ambassador. Maybe I read too much into it. Like I said though, look forward to more of the trash talk I kind of miss in sportsbetting ha ha =)

There must be an easy app/webpage like livescores for MMA. Anyone know any?

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Quote from: rdbase on March 07, 2021, 10:23:11 AM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on March 07, 2021, 09:07:05 AM

That is why I am having doubts that Adesanya can win against Blachowics that is why I have stayed away from betting that my boy Adesanya can win this, now Israel Adesanya had a 1 lost record a really bad decision in storming into a different division while he thinks just beating Paul Costa would certainly get it done, Blachowics was a different person when he faces Reyes and I think that Jan Blachowics really have given Adesanya a good beating from the strikes and submission, but I am guessing that there might be a rematch.

This is why I went with the option Will this match go the distance? because from my previous post right before the match started I was having doubts on who was going to win it too. Because as we all know the odds do not dictate what the outcome of the match will be.
That is certainly obvious with the these odds on every site they were offered on and the option I picked on both my betslips were just about the same amount of odds as a straight win for the underdog @2.65x on stake and @2.56x on sportsbet (was on a nunes multibet so won a bit more on this betslip then just the single I had on stake).

That is why I don't really make a decision and went on the bet, but I really want to show my support for Israel Adesanya but Jan Blachowics just keeps getting better with everything he does, and with good striking and submission options he is the real deal here than Adesanya,

Odds don't really mean a thing I really think it is just the value of popularity that is why the odds are so high, Jan Blachowics had proven some respect to not really take him lightly and I think that Adesanya will be back and be better if a rematch would occur.

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Quote from: electronicash on March 05, 2021, 11:53:54 PM

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Quote from: rdbase on March 05, 2021, 03:49:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtnwaJQUBWg

Watch before the fight happens and see what makes this champion tick before placing your bets.
I can relate to the way Isreal carries himself into a fight and does not let things get in his way to achieve his goals.
Think of it as mamba mentality. Cool

I like Israel Adesanya and what he is doing for the sport MMA, however, how can he defeat Jan who is a fighter bringing 30 more pounds of weight over Adesanya? Dana is very much hyping his new pet hehehe. We should be realists because the fight might also be similar to Dustin Poirier vs Max Holloway.

that's what Jan meant when he said "I think he will take me seriously!" 30 more pounds isn't a safer opponent for anyone not even for the stylebender for a competitive MMA match. bigger fighters like Jan who is in the light heavyweight can easily recover after a slight groggy when hit by a high kick to the head. it's a dangerous weight class for Adesanya.

It appears that weight and size has been proven to be very advantageous even if the opponent has more skill in striking hehe. We might also begin to witness this storyline from fans that Israel Adesanya can beat Jon Jones will stop hehehe.

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 07, 2021, 02:19:39 PM

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Quote from: rdbase on March 06, 2021, 05:12:48 PM

Hello again buwaytress!
I went with the underdog to win by decision. They gave too much of high odds to pass it up at @9.80x so we will just need to wait and see if my risk bet pays off for this major upset to happen.
Good luck to you on your predictions as well friend.

The underdog? You really think Błachowicz can win against Adesanya? You don't think he is way too slow to be able to do something against him? IMO it will be an easy win for Adesanya. I've bet on him, and even put a small stake on a victory by KO.
I've bet on Amanda Nunes too and a victory before the bell because I think Megan Anderson is just sparring partner for her, she's really courageous indeed.

I saw your post in the other thread trashing Israel for being a wimp in the fight haha. You seem to be of 2 very different opinions on different outcomes eh?

But cool, look forward to seeing more of this trash talk in UFC threads. Footie used to be so violent for me haha but since growing old and being online, can't say the rivalry's been a fierce between teams than before.

I'd definitely have taken a 10/1 bet on close-underdog to win by decision, but I think Israel was clearly out of size here for some reason. He didn't seem to bother Blacho at all so no KO worry.

winner's quote on who's next: "I think [Teixeira] deserves it," Blachowicz said. "He'll have to wait a little bit, so I can rest and be with my family. But he will wait, he will be next."

You must be confusing me with someone else or having badly quoted because I never said anywhere Adesanya has been a wimp during the fight. Blachowicz has been stronger than him and Adesanya fairly admitted it after the fight.

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Just as I predicted on the other thread I knew it was going to be some kind of drama to cut the 20-0 winning streak. Adesanya was full of confidence but the result went otherwise. UFC were not comfortable with the 1 champ, 2 division stuff.

Quote from: Igebotz on March 04, 2021, 10:27:17 AM

My predictions
Sorry Adesanya but everyone must retain his/her belt in this round.

15. Blachowicz (via Decision)

The Champ will be back and better.

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I can't hold myself to not appreciate Izzy even more after last night even if he got defeated but he stood there like a champ and fought with Jan from blow to blow which was like a chess battle at some point because both of them were looking for really hard strikes in order to get as many points. I know some of us were disappointed with the lack of a showdown but we had so many other fights that were amazing to watch and one of them is Nunez who is more dangerous than anytime.... .

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 07, 2021, 02:19:39 PM

~but I think Israel was clearly out of size here for some reason. He didn't seem to bother Blacho at all so no KO worry.

Israel Adesanya was confident in his striking and so he made his decision to move up without bulking up and he weighed in with his walk around weight and he underestimated when the fight went to the ground that will be a disadvantage and he paid the price.

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winner's quote on who's next: "I think [Teixeira] deserves it," Blachowicz said. "He'll have to wait a little bit, so I can rest and be with my family. But he will wait, he will be next."

Glover Teixeira is the next opponent for Jan Błachowicz as he was the back up fighter in this card if there was any change in the main event and age is running out for Glover Teixeira and it is time he gets his second title short in the UFC.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on March 06, 2021, 07:13:27 PM

Quote from: rdbase on March 06, 2021, 05:12:48 PM

Hello again buwaytress!
I went with the underdog to win by decision. They gave too much of high odds to pass it up at @9.80x so we will just need to wait and see if my risk bet pays off for this major upset to happen.
Good luck to you on your predictions as well friend.

The underdog? You really think Błachowicz can win against Adesanya? You don't think he is way too slow to be able to do something against him? IMO it will be an easy win for Adesanya. I've bet on him, and even put a small stake on a victory by KO.
I've bet on Amanda Nunes too and a victory before the bell because I think Megan Anderson is just sparring partner for her, she's really courageous indeed.

I saw your post in the other thread trashing Israel for being a wimp in the fight haha. You seem to be of 2 very different opinions on different outcomes eh?

But cool, look forward to seeing more of this trash talk in UFC threads. Footie used to be so violent for me haha but since growing old and being online, can't say the rivalry's been a fierce between teams than before.

I'd definitely have taken a 10/1 bet on close-underdog to win by decision, but I think Israel was clearly out of size here for some reason. He didn't seem to bother Blacho at all so no KO worry.

winner's quote on who's next: "I think [Teixeira] deserves it," Blachowicz said. "He'll have to wait a little bit, so I can rest and be with my family. But he will wait, he will be next."

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Quote from: Saint-loup on March 07, 2021, 04:12:07 AM

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If Blachowicz won without any challenge why he has not been able to finish him in 5 rounds?

It is a fight and we are betting on it and the fight result will not change if i praised him or not, if Israel Adesanya stayed in the Middle Weight division he can win all the fights and Israel Adesanya wanted challenges and i was hoping for a great fight and we saw a great fight and i was vocal why Jan Błachowicz will win in the main thread. It was a technical fight and it is not about power and finishes all the time.

Quote from: Saint-loup on March 07, 2021, 04:12:07 AM

I'm a little bit disappointed because I think Adesanya has been overhyped by those promotions. Congrats to bettors who kept their heads cool despite all this hype.

Israel Adesanya is the real deal, he was not over hyped. You underestimated Jan Błachowicz and you were doubting it will be impossible for him to beat Israel Adesanya but you forgot to understand that it is not a striking competition and you forgot the ground skills of Jan Błachowicz or you have not watched his past fights and moving up is not an easy task if the opponent has a ground advantage.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on March 07, 2021, 09:07:05 AM

That is why I am having doubts that Adesanya can win against Blachowics that is why I have stayed away from betting that my boy Adesanya can win this, now Israel Adesanya had a 1 lost record a really bad decision in storming into a different division while he thinks just beating Paul Costa would certainly get it done, Blachowics was a different person when he faces Reyes and I think that Jan Blachowics really have given Adesanya a good beating from the strikes and submission, but I am guessing that there might be a rematch.

This is why I went with the option Will this match go the distance? because from my previous post right before the match started I was having doubts on who was going to win it too. Because as we all know the odds do not dictate what the outcome of the match will be.
That is certainly obvious with the these odds on every site they were offered on and the option I picked on both my betslips were just about the same amount of odds as a straight win for the underdog @2.65x on stake and @2.56x on sportsbet (was on a nunes multibet so won a bit more on this betslip then just the single I had on stake).

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That is why I am having doubts that Adesanya can win against Blachowics that is why I have stayed away from betting that my boy Adesanya can win this, now Israel Adesanya had a 1 lost record a really bad decision in storming into a different division while he thinks just beating Paul Costa would certainly get it done, Blachowics was a different person when he faces Reyes and I think that Jan Blachowics really have given Adesanya a good beating from the strikes and submission, but I am guessing that there might be a rematch.

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Quote from: cabron on March 07, 2021, 04:29:18 AM

FYI Adesanya once lost already but not in UFC. I saw the fight on youtube where he was knocked out by a left cross. This time is the UFC but its just one loss anyway besides its a reasonable loss. He could come back with vengeance soon, I could say it really needs a rematch until there is a real knockout.

Blachowicz really proved himself this time to be the Polish power and he had done so in the past despite his age.

Adesanya lost in which sport? What you're saying is a little bit surprising because his record was virgin of defeat in MMA until now. He was officially undefeated in 20 MMA fights until this contest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Adesanya

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Quote from: rdbase on March 06, 2021, 05:12:48 PM

I don't think Blachowicz will go away silently into the night either.
He will put up a fight and that's why I put to go the distance for my pick on this main event blowout fight between these two light heavyweight contenders. Wink

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 07, 2021, 02:13:41 AM

Israel Adesanya was like a duck stuck in a cage in the fourth round the weight of Jan Błachowicz which i was talking about was showing in the fight and if Jan Błachowicz can continue that in the final round he can retain the belt Cheesy

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Edit: The final round was the same, the Polish power showed how he can control Israel Adesanya and he did that in the feet and in the ground he dominated as Adesanya was pinned to the ground and won the fight without any challenge Grin

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That was one of the most exciting fights in the UFC that's how you use your skill and Damn, he was like a kid who got bullied by a big man. That was something you don't expect when you see such fighters who haven't taste defeat in their career taste his first loss. No need for 2nd fight with this one since it didn't even come to a close fight it's a one-man wrecking machine and Adesanya got Wreck today.

FYI Adesanya once lost already but not in UFC. I saw the fight on youtube where he was knocked out by a left cross. This time is the UFC but its just one loss anyway besides its a reasonable loss. He could come back with vengeance soon, I could say it really needs a rematch until there is a real knockout.

Blachowicz really proved himself this time to be the Polish power and he had done so in the past despite his age.

Izzy just looked overpowered, not just in a punching sense, but also in his ability to predict Jqans game plan, and not being able to adjust accordingly. He really did look stuck in that cage, I think it was not having the range advantage that screwd up his game. As for Jan, he might be in the upper range regarding his age, but for LHW and HW this is common, the smaller divisions burn out younger (Aldo looks like he's 47 and just turned 30 or something). Jon Jones on Twitter really blasting Izzy right now, rightfully so, and I think any chance of that fight happening any time soon is nonexistent. IMHO Izzy's stock fell hard, but that's how it goes, he took a bet on himself and lost. If he'd won that that bet would be worth it.

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Quote from: yazher on March 07, 2021, 04:14:33 AM

Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 07, 2021, 02:13:41 AM

Israel Adesanya was like a duck stuck in a cage in the fourth round the weight of Jan Błachowicz which i was talking about was showing in the fight and if Jan Błachowicz can continue that in the final round he can retain the belt Cheesy

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Edit: The final round was the same, the Polish power showed how he can control Israel Adesanya and he did that in the feet and in the ground he dominated as Adesanya was pinned to the ground and won the fight without any challenge Grin

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That was one of the most exciting fights in the UFC that's how you use your skill and Damn, he was like a kid who got bullied by a big man. That was something you don't expect when you see such fighters who haven't taste defeat in their career taste his first loss. No need for 2nd fight with this one since it didn't even come to a close fight it's a one-man wrecking machine and Adesanya got Wreck today.

FYI Adesanya once lost already but not in UFC. I saw the fight on youtube where he was knocked out by a left cross. This time is the UFC but its just one loss anyway besides its a reasonable loss. He could come back with vengeance soon, I could say it really needs a rematch until there is a real knockout.

Blachowicz really proved himself this time to be the Polish power and he had done so in the past despite his age.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 07, 2021, 02:13:41 AM

Israel Adesanya was like a duck stuck in a cage in the fourth round the weight of Jan Błachowicz which i was talking about was showing in the fight and if Jan Błachowicz can continue that in the final round he can retain the belt Cheesy

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Edit: The final round was the same, the Polish power showed how he can control Israel Adesanya and he did that in the feet and in the ground he dominated as Adesanya was pinned to the ground and won the fight without any challenge Grin

.

That was one of the most exciting fights in the UFC that's how you use your skill and Damn, he was like a kid who got bullied by a big man. That was something you don't expect when you see such fighters who haven't taste defeat in their career taste his first loss. No need for 2nd fight with this one since it didn't even come to a close fight it's a one-man wrecking machine and Adesanya got Wreck today.

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