The rules change all the time. What is now considered legal or unlisted will be listed in the future as illegal. I think a lot of dominating athletes are helped by "enhancements" that have a legal loophole and they continue dominating for their entire careers, then those substances get banned later on, and some never get caught until they retire like Armstrong.
The case with Armstrong is entirely different,he was doing these sort of things on a different level,he used to replace his entire blood and replace it with fresh blood and those of sophisticated methods were used by him to avoid getting caught and it is another level of malpractice,the loopholes are closing down and Olympic level testing could catch everything. 
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@krach that was an impressive parlay win,since you are talking about PED usage,my take on this is that those fighters must be banned for life,they are making huge risks by allowing people to take all the juice and then compete ,it is not fair against the spirit of the match.,we need a level playing field for everyone.
Maybe, but what qualifies as a PED? What is the limit? Everyone will always push the limits everytime in all sports.
The rules change all the time. What is now considered legal or unlisted will be listed in the future as illegal. I think a lot of dominating athletes are helped by "enhancements" that have a legal loophole and they continue dominating for their entire careers, then those substances get banned later on, and some never get caught until they retire like Armstrong.
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@krach that was an impressive parlay win,since you are talking about PED usage,my take on this is that those fighters must be banned for life,they are making huge risks by allowing people to take all the juice and then compete ,it is not fair against the spirit of the match.,we need a level playing field for everyone.
Maybe, but what qualifies as a PED? What is the limit? Everyone will always push the limits everytime in all sports.
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
Have you ever seen a picture of Bruce Lee flexing his muscles with his shirt off? Do you think Bruce Lee used steroids & that someone could only have a body like Bruce Lee if they abused performance enhancing drugs? I tend to think that anyone could look like Bruce Lee did, without using PED's if they were willing to work as hard and be as disciplined as Bruce Lee was.
The tendency people have to assume people don't have to work hard to have a good physique and that anyone who is shredded does PED's doesn't make much sense to me. I've known a lot of people that were shredded that never did steroids. Its bizarre to me how people think they can tell whether someone is using steroids or not simply by looking at someone.
James Toney and Josh Barnett both tested positive for steroids. Neither of those guys is abnormally shredded or bulky.
Dude are you serious? Bruce Lee was what, 130 lbs?
Bruce Lee was short and had a small frame. Sure he had fantastic muscle insertions and a great metabolism, his body looked great in picture and film, but Overeem is massive and would dwarf Bruce Lee in real life.
The point here is: Overeem in those pictures was both conditioned AND massive in a 6'4'' frame. It is then reasonable to suspect steroid usage.
Sure, you still need to work hard to look like that even on steroids, but the point is... you aren't going to reach that look without the steroids as a big guy.
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
Have you ever seen a picture of Bruce Lee flexing his muscles with his shirt off? Do you think Bruce Lee used steroids & that someone could only have a body like Bruce Lee if they abused performance enhancing drugs? I tend to think that anyone could look like Bruce Lee did, without using PED's if they were willing to work as hard and be as disciplined as Bruce Lee was.
The tendency people have to assume people don't have to work hard to have a good physique and that anyone who is shredded does PED's doesn't make much sense to me. I've known a lot of people that were shredded that never did steroids. Its bizarre to me how people think they can tell whether someone is using steroids or not simply by looking at someone.
James Toney and Josh Barnett both tested positive for steroids. Neither of those guys is abnormally shredded or bulky.
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.
Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
LOL. It doesn't take a genius to see what Reem has put in the last several years. And I totally agree with you 100%. He's body is screaming for steroids. The delts says its all, I haven't seen natural with delts popping out like Reem does. So for me he is a steroids abuser and has likely tapered off because of the current testing.
The massive traps are also a giveaway. Some people have amazing deltoid genetics tho, and can reach popping delts naturally, but the overal package on Overeem, with that 6'4'' frame, points to roid usage.
Notice on the other pic I posted, left steroids, right natural, looks clear to me.
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.
Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
LOL. It doesn't take a genius to see what Reem has put in the last several years. And I totally agree with you 100%. He's body is screaming for steroids. The delts says its all, I haven't seen natural with delts popping out like Reem does. So for me he is a steroids abuser and has likely tapered off because of the current testing.
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.
Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.
I think you are a bit confused if you think anyone can look like that. You must have no idea in fact. Overeem's physique on a massive 6'4'' on the last pic screams steroids usage... that or 1 in 1000000 genetics. Look at his delts, traps, massive arms, and look at his low bodyfat.
You can either be cut and have low bodyfat, or be massive but have higher bodyfat. When you see both at the same time, start being skeptic about his natural claims.
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
I think anyone could look like Overeem if they quit their day job and were paid to lift weights, have healthy lifestyle habits and eat healthy food full time everyday on a consistent basis. There's nothing really out of the ordinary there. Everyone would look like that if everyone lifted weights full time with the goal of bulking up.
Those bulky muscles Overeem had were good for kickboxing but bad for wrestling/grappling cardio in MMA. That's why Overeem slimmed down. Overeem couldn't last 3 rounds with those heavy muscles as his fight with Bigfoot Silva showed. After Overeem slimmed down he had no trouble lasting 3 rounds. A lot of other MMA fighters have undergone similar transformations where they needed to slim down and lose muscle mass to maintain cardio.
@krach that was an impressive parlay win,since you are talking about PED usage,my take on this is that those fighters must be banned for life,they are making huge risks by allowing people to take all the juice and then compete ,it is not fair against the spirit of the match.,we need a level playing field for everyone.
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re: Kelly
I almost bet kelly but decided the under 2.5 was better value, if kelly made it past round 1 then he could have subbed brunson imo.
From a fan perspective I like Kelly, he is a great story and always suprises, but he has no head movement really. That is what happens when you learn one martial art a lot and then try to get into MMA. There is one really strong area and one really weak area. People that have some kind of striking background learn quickly that they have to move their head and that the head is not a punching bag.
re: PED ect
It doesnt matter if you are in favor or against people using PED. They are using whatever they can use and not get caught and not risk their health. This is in all pro sports in any pro level. It is a game of inches and if you can get a small edge most people try to. How much it helps in fighting? It is hard to say, it helps in recovery time so they can train harder and heal faster, sure they are stronger but that alone doesnt do anything for your tech, fighting IQ, or heart. Just asume everyone is on some form of PED, it could be legal, grey or totaly against the rule, but all fighters are on something. Maybe not Hunt or Nelson but who knows.
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re: Kelly
I almost bet kelly but decided the under 2.5 was better value, if kelly made it past round 1 then he could have subbed brunson imo.
From a fan perspective I like Kelly, he is a great story and always suprises, but he has no head movement really. That is what happens when you learn one martial art a lot and then try to get into MMA. There is one really strong area and one really weak area. People that have some kind of striking background learn quickly that they have to move their head and that the head is not a punching bag.
re: PED ect
It doesnt matter if you are in favor or against people using PED. They are using whatever they can use and not get caught and not risk their health. This is in all pro sports in any pro level. It is a game of inches and if you can get a small edge most people try to. How much it helps in fighting? It is hard to say, it helps in recovery time so they can train harder and heal faster, sure they are stronger but that alone doesnt do anything for your tech, fighting IQ, or heart. Just asume everyone is on some form of PED, it could be legal, grey or totaly against the rule, but all fighters are on something. Maybe not Hunt or Nelson but who knows.
The problem remains that it is hard to catch the cheaters,no one would have believed Lance Armstrong was a serial cheater until it was revealed and that was the case with all the athletes involved in the BALCO scandal,one thing is sure that the Reem lost a lot of muscle after the introduction of USADA and the food you mentioned have a level of increase and on testing only drastic change will be noted,which is not normal.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.
Reem lost muscle due to him moving to train out of greg jackson's gym & that gym not being a big believer in lifting weights.?
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
His gains aren't that impressive. He's a professional athlete. His job is to lift weights, use supplements and eat the healthiest things he can find.
Overeem's bulking up is impressive for people who lift weights once or twice a month & are too busy working to train much.
Jon Jones gains were about as impressive and he did it after USADA went into effect.
Dude Overeem got caught with steroids, then after he came back his gains just weren't there. It was obvious he was cheating. His physique was too big and conditioned to be natural.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2019689-bas-rutten-alistair-overeem-started-losing-once-he-stopped-using-steroids
Read this Bas Rutten interview and you will see.
Notice the difference.
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I think that's the first time I've ever seen someone hit an 8 game parlay. Nice win! Are you a wizard?
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The problem remains that it is hard to catch the cheaters,no one would have believed Lance Armstrong was a serial cheater until it was revealed and that was the case with all the athletes involved in the BALCO scandal,one thing is sure that the Reem lost a lot of muscle after the introduction of USADA and the food you mentioned have a level of increase and on testing only drastic change will be noted,which is not normal.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.
As expected Hunt knocked out Lewis as his weakness of not having a gas tank to last four rounds was evident in the fight.
Reem lost muscle due to him moving to train out of greg jackson's gym & that gym not being a big believer in lifting weights.?
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
His gains aren't that impressive. He's a professional athlete. His job is to lift weights, use supplements and eat the healthiest things he can find.
Overeem's bulking up is impressive for people who lift weights once or twice a month & are too busy working to train much.
Jon Jones gains were about as impressive and he did it after USADA went into effect.
Congratulations Mark Hunt, happy to see you win again especially by TKO, age is indeed a number and I bet fighting is written all over your DNA. You guys sold a great and memorable fight.
nice hit i missed my parlays because i had kelly lol
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To my knowledge, wasn't Overeem caught with testosterone or something? He just didn't look natural. The way he bulked in a few years was too impressive, and too cut. It's not like he was wearing extra fat to make the cut, he was all muscle, like a bodybuilder. That look specially in a tall guy is very hard to achieve naturally.
After his comeback he looks more natural but you never know because steroids are very addictive.
After his comeback he looks more natural but you never know because steroids are very addictive.
Its tough to know if someone is using steroids by their physical appearance.
James Toney(from boxing) and Josh Barnett aren't cut and both tested positive for steroids in their careers.
Its much easier for professional fighters and athletes to develop good physiques they get paid to lift weights & eat healthy food as their profession.
Overeem did test positive for elevated testosterone. Then I think he quit lifting weights when he moved to train out of greg jackson's gym and has gotten smaller since.
I couldn't say whether Reem or anyone else uses steroids with 100% certainty.
To be honest I don't even know how accurate the testosterone test is, there are natural foods that boost or lower testosterone levels. One example of a food that could lower testosterone is soy sauce.
Examples of foods that might boost testosterone:
- Pomegranate.
- Olive Oil.
- Oysters.
- Coconut.
- Cruciferous Vegetables.
- Whey Protein.
- Garlic.
Etcetera.
Look at Overeem's progression over time:
He doesn't look natural at all on the final pics. Too heavy and too conditioned, can't be both at the same time without steroids. I just can't believe he was natural.
His current physique looks like someone who lifts, but could be free of steroids, but who knows.
Hunt wins by TKO, the black beast tired in the 3rd & 4th, he just couldn't continue. Congratulations to Hunt who proved to be a worthy winner, I enjoyed the fight.
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