Topic: UK brexit and rejoin with Europe and economy (Read 274 times)

I am not saying that the United Kingdom is not experiencing problems. All of Europe is immersed in political and economic problems, not just the United Kingdom. Their situation was not better when they were within the European Union.

Problems are always there and it is not because the United Kingdom left the European Union. There were some good advantages that they got when they joined, but at the same time there were a lot of negatives.

They held a referendum on withdrawal. It is true that they got it by a narrow margin, as 51.9 percent voted in favor of withdrawal, but they got it in the end and this is their choice, whether it is good or bad.

The reason why a lot of people flip flop between different ideologies, political parties, etc. is exactly because they are all bad and there is no such thing as "normal" when it comes to politics.

All these "isms" have numerous flaws which makes them only work for a certain period of time before they start falling apart. Communism is a good example that was even growing in Europe but because it is a flawed ideology it stopped growing, replaced and eventually fell apart. Now it doesn't exist anymore (even China is closer to being a Capitalism than a Communism).

At the same time all these "isms" have their benefits as well. For example the same communism worked very well back when in for example Germany millions were jobless and hungry.
Liberalism with its "laissez-faire"-ism worked fine for a couple of decades as well because it addressed human nature and greed. The days of this ism and its attachments like globalism is over as well.

That last shift started 2+ years ago and it's not just right wings that are coming on top, the existing parties like the conservative-liberal PM Mark Rutte has been showing signs of that shift like with his statements regarding that "strategic autonomy policy changes" that could be categorized as the same protectionism and de-globalization while praising Macron France.

I don't see it happening! UK has looted wealth from all over the world and saved in their coffers. The amount is not accounted anywhere yet. During emergency, UK will start bringing them out. You can't imagine the amount they have looted. From India alone, they have taken over 200 billion pounds of that time! So UK do not need to join EU union for any reason.

Also you are talking about 13£ company registration? Do you know who were the biggest beneficiaries of such registration - Ponzi scammers! When ponzi market was active through various forums like MMG, DT etc. 8 out of 10 ponzi websites were registered in UK. So if it has changed, it's good! At least the scammers will not be able to afford it!

What are you talking about? Economically it had such terrible periods, they had to change so many prime ministers during the same time, and they had so many trouble with the government not settling, they changed like what six in span of 10 years or something? They had a lot of trouble and unfortunately a lot of people did not really see how that could be a problem.

I am not saying they did a good or bad thing, maybe on the long term they did something fine, but the problem that Europe is having right now is not due to European union, being a union isn't the issue, the issue is that they are letting way too many people in these days, and while they are afraid to be called racist for wanting them out, no matter what people would say, that's the correct thing to do.

The thing is that Globalization is a right wing invention which was done to further USA corporations and lowered the entrance for capital entrances in the 3rd world. When it started in the 80 last century it was a capitalist thus right wing politic.

Coming to 2010 and its the left who wishes for globalization. When I was younger antifa was radically against capitalism, nowadays antifa defends nestle &co.

Then who is not a radical for you?

You cal the left radicals, you call the protectionists/right radical. Who is normal?

The thing is there is no normal. There is no one universal right in politics.

When I feel like I am a right winger (and for the last few years I do feel like that a lot) I think the lefties are lunatics. But I wasn't always like that. When I was younger there was more hippie in me. Then I made some monney and I said, fuck that we all love each other hippie crap. Capitalism rulezzz but then guess what, caplitalism likes the left more because the righties bring protectionism and protectionism means de-globalization.

You're exaggerating a little, man. The UK's exit from the European Union did not cause any deep problems for the country. Even former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said regarding Brexit: "This is a great moment for the country. We have gained our freedom and it is up to us to make the most of it." Several years have passed since then, and things have remained the same.

Historically, the countries of the European Union have been in conflicts and raging wars since the ancient era and the Middle Ages. They were never allied, but rather were always competitors, and each country coveted the other. They united only in the modern era, and therefore I do not expect that it will be difficult for Britain to proceed on its own path as it did on Passage of history.

Limiting what's happening across Europe to "illegal immigrants" is like limiting the reason why you like Bitcoin to something like "being able to use your phone to pay".

It's all about the threat of war that is pushing Europeans toward radicals, specially the far right radicals. For example the radicals in Netherlands like Wilders are known for being pro-Russia and seriously against paying for the war with Russia.
This is only going to grow as the shadow of war looms over Europe. A war that US is pushing Europe and Russia into so that once again USA can stand far away and intact. Obviously people in Europe don't want to die for another country and they'd rather go back to the time when they were buying cheap Russian energy and had their factories running instead of experiencing inflation, recession and possible war, destruction and death.

In such a situation, radicals who talk about avoiding war look more appealing that radicals who talk about starting a war...

Brexit happened because the Brits didn’t want any more of the illegal immigrants in their country. Right now protectionism is becoming popular in Europe again. Geert Wilders won the Netherlands, Macron won’t be around next month, Germany, Italy, even Spain. They are following the same path. That should give you an idea about the upcoming US elections too. Trump.

Yes financially brexit was a bad move and it is because having protectionism is always a bad move for the corporations because capitalism always needs cheap foreign workers that don’t have any social security or national id’s. (These are the best ones because nobody gives a shit if they catch cancer or die)

When I see it that way, I can’t say that brexit was a bad move politically. They were right to leave EU but they did it just a bit early maybe. Refugees were always going to be a problem for EU and the Brits wanted no more of that crap. Good for them. Now the EU countries decided they don’t want them too.

You are exaggerating the issues even though some of your claims are true. For instance, there is no way it will not hurt the UK economy since huge economic benefits from Europe were withdrawn. There were many key economic transactions going to Europe before Brexit that had to pass through the UK first, but all were stopped, so it will definitely affect them. I only hope that the UK can find a lasting solution and peace in this matter.

About the Visa issuance and other claims of yours, they are vice versa in my opinion and are not so economical, they are not peculiar to either of them (UK and EU) in any way, so let them face the brunt in this regard.

I only see the lack of cooperation of the EU in some cases as well, they want the UK to suffer their decision to leave and much of what they did was deliberate to punish them for the decision. Now, it's not that Brexit is entirely bad, but it should have been done before now, the delay caused it to be betting this much. If it had been done centuries ago, things would have normalised as it would have been the way of life in the UK by now which would have met the world's evolution naturally, unlike now.

Dependency is an issue in the name of friendship, but when you decide to let go, it could hurt, especially if the other party has huge dominance caused by too much reliance. That's the way I see it.

The Source of that statement please!!!!

UK done

What benefits?

Name one that we havent had to pay for in excess.

as you said, the uk got various benefits when they joined the european union, but the problem was when the benefits they got were not commensurate with what they had to endure, and that was what pushed them to leave the european union and become a completely independent country. even though it will have an effect on the uk economy, at least it will make them understand more about the problems that exist in their country and will slowly improve them through targeted policies.

Legal immigrants you just can fetch them as they are legal and the services know where they live.
Illegals make it harder and some might even get violent, It's not that the police likes violence towards them. Who does really.

Speaking as a small business owner in the UK, I can honestly say that your assumption of businesses suffering because of "bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods" is absolute nonsense.

Brexit has been mismanaged, deliberately.

If Brexit were handled correctly it would have substantially reduced the "bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods", but because of the corruption in our governments the opportunities that were afforded by a clean break from the EU were squandered.

Let's face it, they never had any intention of freeing us from the schakles and mountains of "bureaucratic processes that impede the free flow of goods" that the EU produce each year costing small businesses and consumers vast sums of money for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.

You seriously dont understand the EU and the chains it puts on everyone else in favour of large corporate interests.

What was on offer was freedom, but you'd rather be chained to a house of unelected unaccountable bureaucratic parasitic dictators rather than choose your own destiny.

I dispair with people that think the EU is a good idea. It is not. not in the slightest.

there is no escape to this economic and energy crisis as it seems made up and they are making it worse with all the wars. they are not even sanctioned. but it looks like Brexit is part of the plan for this coming crisis after all. Geographically, the UK is like Taiwan for the EU. in case the EU responds in a manner that doesn't follow orders, i guess the independence of the UK comes in handy.

i don't know if it's possible to rejoin. not all country has the freedom to do what they want. my country has independence day but still no freedom.

But now it's very difficult to keep capital in UK don't forget that too strict borders can keep capital limited.
Some people think that UK was over liquid of money and exit of bigger capital did balance economy.
But now a lot people talking about to take UK back in Europe we never know world Changing fast people need that Center country where english is main language to trade and deal.

It's not that simple. The only thing you can say for sure is that things didn't go according to plans.

You have to go back to pre-Brexit time. They were already planning to start the war with Russia according to US orders. So UK needed to get out of EU to decrease the effects of that war on EU members' economies. They were basically hoping to not experience an economic and energy crisis of their own while entire EU did. Then later on they could come back to EU as the "victors" and take the leadership and revive a tiny part of the dead "empire" that way.

Little did they know UK would experience the same economic and energy crisis as the rest of the EU even when they existed the coalition. On top of that they experienced more crisis due to the exit itself.
This is why things didn't go according to plan and now it seems like a bad move.

escaping the EU was about escaping the controls of EU
britain can now set its own rules more freely

the headache of bureaucracy was done on purpose
it was not needed for ports but for setting a high bar to then negotiate against EU

the reason is simple. if britain just went along with EU settings and limits cooperatively then the UK had no power at the negotiating table to get better deals.. so the then PM (B.johnson) set a headache plan into motion to motivate the eu to move their goalposts a little, which would then eventually allow british PM to lower the bar into a more co-operative bureaucracy once britain got its better deals

in short the headaches of bureaucracy was not the result of brexit, but the purposefully introduced heavy weapon of post brexit bargaining.
it wasnt needed for businesses to operate with the EU but was introduced by british government to negotiate with EU