Ulbricht Conviction to 'Threaten Internet Freedom' lol - page 2.

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Quote from: redhawk979 on April 26, 2014, 02:02:03 AM

Here come the libertarians to explain why child porn is OK cause free market.

Most libertarians support an age of consent.
There is some debate about if it should be a set age, or if individuals can "qualify" to prove they are mature enough to be considered an adult.
Child porn is not OK.

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Here come the libertarians to explain why child porn is OK cause free market.

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Quote from: 5od0miz3r on April 26, 2014, 01:26:31 AM

Rape over the internet is a serious problem. I know because I am a victim. We must stop internet rape today.

Yes. I do agree. Grin

But I don't get it.... how could you be the victim? From that username (5od0miz3r, seriously?), I thought that you were one of the perpetrators. An internet serial 5od0miz3r, lurking here on Bitcointalk? Or are you going to say that someone forced you to 5od0miz3 against your will? In that case I don't know whether we can call it as a rape or not. Angry

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Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 02:35:40 PM

Why do people think 'internet freedom' means one is free to murder, rape, steal, cheat - over the internet? WTF???

Rape over the internet is a serious problem. I know because I am a victim. We must stop internet rape today.

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Quote from: ArticMine on April 25, 2014, 06:57:28 PM

Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 06:50:55 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 02:59:04 PM

@OP: How would you try to defend him if you were a "brilliant lawyer"?

1st - I am a brilliant lawyer.
2nd - I don't defend trash.

I love the defense raised here: 'Silk Road could be used to sell books... ...therefore Ulbricht is not guilty' lol comedy.

If someone sells dope on Craigslist - craigslist can escape culpability. Silk Road is a complete different matter. Ulbricth is toast. All the fancy dancing about 'internet freedom' isn't going to bring him one tiny bit of relief. forgetaboutit.

Here is another example: Have you ever downloaded *non copyright infringing content* using a torrent from ThePirateBay? I have.

somalian pirates we

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Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 06:50:55 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 02:59:04 PM

@OP: How would you try to defend him if you were a "brilliant lawyer"?

1st - I am a brilliant lawyer.
2nd - I don't defend trash.

LOL!!! Lemme guess, you're a prosecutor?

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Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 06:50:55 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 02:59:04 PM

@OP: How would you try to defend him if you were a "brilliant lawyer"?

1st - I am a brilliant lawyer.
2nd - I don't defend trash.

I love the defense raised here: 'Silk Road could be used to sell books... ...therefore Ulbricht is not guilty' lol comedy.

If someone sells dope on Craigslist - craigslist can escape culpability. Silk Road is a complete different matter. Ulbricth is toast. All the fancy dancing about 'internet freedom' isn't going to bring him one tiny bit of relief. forgetaboutit.

Here is another example: Have you ever downloaded *non copyright infringing content* using a torrent from ThePirateBay? I have.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on April 25, 2014, 02:59:04 PM

@OP: How would you try to defend him if you were a "brilliant lawyer"?

1st - I am a brilliant lawyer.
2nd - I don't defend trash.

I love the defense raised here: 'Silk Road could be used to sell books... ...therefore Ulbricht is not guilty' lol comedy.

If someone sells dope on Craigslist - craigslist can escape culpability. Silk Road is a complete different matter. Ulbricth is toast. All the fancy dancing about 'internet freedom' isn't going to bring him one tiny bit of relief. forgetaboutit.

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Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 02:35:40 PM

The Ulbricht family would like to argue that a conviction of Dread Pirate Roberts would 'threaten internet freedom'.
http://www.coindesk.com/family-ross-ulbricht-conviction-threaten-internet-freedom/
What a joke.

You are not free to use the internet for murder, money laundering, drug sales, et cetera. Why do people think 'internet freedom' means one is free to murder, rape, steal, cheat - over the internet? WTF??? If you do this shit, whether over the internet or over morse code smoke signals - you are going to get popped. Doing something over the internet doesn't mean all laws are nullified.

What a dumbass. That family hired one stupid ass lawyer.

Actually no. These kinds of cases can have profound implications for civil liberties regardless of how one feels about the guilt or innocence of the accused. There is a very important between selling the drugs himself and providing a platform that may be used by somebody else to sell drugs.

Actually his lawyer is just doing his job.

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It may matter, but the law does think so. He will be sentenced for everything.

The werid part is that he was a honest man, he never stole his customers.
Karpeles stole like $500mi from thousands of customers and he is free.

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Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 02:35:40 PM

Why do people think 'internet freedom' means one is free to murder, rape, steal, cheat - over the internet?

I don't believe Ross is being accused of any of those crimes that you so blithely toss in to further confuse the issue.

According to FreeRoss.org, "The murder-for-hire allegation is now an “uncharged crime,” which does not require proof. It is mentioned in the narcotics trafficking conspiracy section of the indictment. It is NOT a formal charge."

He has not been accused of rape. He has not been accused of stealing. He has not been accused of cheating (I don't think that's a crime).

I encourage everyone to take a look at this:
http://freeross.org/the-case-the-goal-and-why-this-matters-2/

It would be a shame if the Bitcoin community lets this guy get thrown under the bus in its desire for "legitimacy" and speculative profit.

Personally, I'm really starting to question what behaviors are considered criminal in the USA. Nothing strikes me as more stupid than marijuana prohibition and it seems really wrong to prosecute people stupidly.

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not gonna threaten my freedom, i'm still gonna buy weeed over the interwebs. not gonna switch to exclusively liquor yet, not ready Angry

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Nope..

Perhaps an attempt to capitalize on the far-reaching government fervor currently clenching the nation I suspect. It's always the government's fault don't ya know?

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Quote from: kadter on April 25, 2014, 02:52:41 PM

Exactly. Silk Road also used to sell books

I believe in freedom of commerce as simple as that. As what about cigarettes btw with addiction causing additives?

The USA leads the "free world" in % of people in jail, so our opinion probably will not save DPR.
If that law could be used to set him free, I will be really surprised.

@OP: How would you try to defend him if you were a "brilliant lawyer"?

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Exactly. Silk Road also used to sell books

I believe in freedom of commerce as simple as that. As what about cigarettes btw with addiction causing additives?

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This section has interesting substance:

"For the Ulbrichts, however, the most important takeaway is perhaps how their son’s case could impact Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, though they maintain hope that the case will be thrown out altogether.

That 1996 ruling sought to shield Internet entrepreneurs from liability against the criminal actions of their users. Under this law, large online marketplaces such as Amazon and eBay are treated as service providers, not publishers, and are therefore shielded from culpability should someone break a law when publishing via their service."

It was a "free-market" and he is not liable for the actions of individual users.
Who could possibly argue against that? Cheesy

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Quote from: RawDog on April 25, 2014, 02:35:40 PM

The Ulbricht family would like to argue that a conviction of Dread Pirate Roberts would 'threaten internet freedom'.
http://www.coindesk.com/family-ross-ulbricht-conviction-threaten-internet-freedom/
What a joke.

You are not free to use the internet for murder, money laundering, drug sales, et cetera. Why do people think 'internet freedom' means one is free to murder, rape, steal, cheat - over the internet? WTF??? If you do this shit, whether over the internet or over morse code smoke signals - you are going to get popped. Doing something over the internet doesn't mean all laws are nullified.

What a dumbass. That family hired one stupid ass lawyer.

its the same as people that think the freedom of speech means their free to make threats. there is a major difference between expressing an opinion compared to making a personal attack

its the same as people that think the freedom of sexuality means their free to rape.. their is a major difference to socializing in flirtatious manner with someone that is receptive to it. compared to forcing yourself on them using threats or violence.

some people need to learn the words responsibility, and not ignore it any only quote rights.. as they both work hand in hand with each other

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The Ulbricht family would like to argue that a conviction of Dread Pirate Roberts would 'threaten internet freedom'.
http://www.coindesk.com/family-ross-ulbricht-conviction-threaten-internet-freedom/
What a joke.

You are not free to use the internet for murder, money laundering, drug sales, et cetera. Why do people think 'internet freedom' means one is free to murder, rape, steal, cheat - over the internet? WTF??? If you do this shit, whether over the internet or over morse code smoke signals - you are going to get popped. Doing something over the internet doesn't mean all laws are nullified.

What a dumbass. That family hired one stupid ass lawyer.

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