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Quote from: gadman2 on May 20, 2014, 10:48:12 AM

I've used coinbase regularly for a year now with well over 500 transactions in and out and never had a delayed payment. Even pending transactions still get sent for me.

Odd. Every payment I've sent out took a long time. The average is probably 24h, with the fastest one ever being around 15h. I've had many outgoing transactions fail at the 48h mark, forcing me to break them down. For example, instead of sending 1.5 BTC I'd have to send out three transactions of 0.5 to get it to go through.

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I've used coinbase regularly for a year now with well over 500 transactions in and out and never had a delayed payment. Even pending transactions still get sent for me.

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 04:19:56 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 19, 2014, 04:03:28 PM

However, as a fellow Coinbaser, I'm not tempted to switch just yet.

Why even consider switching. I would imagine these 2 giants having narrow margins and highly competitive where you save a few dollars buying from Coinbase one day and on Circle the next day. Those with accounts with both can have the benefits of greater flexibility, greater liquidity(on those days that coinbase locks out new orders) , and the ability to shop between the two for slight savings.

They are both located in the US so once you have one, there really much of any privacy protections with a second.

I would warn that users who keep their coins in hot wallets will be responsible for capital gains, while users who withdraw their coins right away can choose to fund drones dropping bombs on villages of children or not.

I don't see why people wouldn't just use both either. There's no downside to it. Either way you're in the same listing for the KYC and AML, and you should have to submit the same information to both so it really doesn't matter on that front. It's more about which one deals with customers better.

I do want to point out that Coinbase can take forever to send transactions. Sending a transaction to a wallet has taken up to 36 hours before. If Circle can do instant transfers, that will be huge.

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Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 04:12:36 PM

Not to de-rail this thread, but unless they changed policies in the last month, the max for INSTANT BTC purchase is $1,000 worth of BTC for fully verified accounts. 50BTC was the daily purchase limit, but not for instant BTC deposit into your account

Wow, you are right it seems and their blog has false info :

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/55203204550/instant-bitcoin-purchases-at-coinbase

True info is here:

https://coinbase.com/verifications

Which indicates 1k max per week

perhaps they initiated that policy last year than retracted it.

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Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 04:12:36 PM

Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:11:33 PM

Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 01:33:57 PM

You can only instant purchase up to $1,000 in BTC on Coinbase, which isn't that much. If you want to buy 10BTC or something like that, you have to wait for ACH bank transfer (to limit Coinbase's risk exposure)

It has been almost a year since Coinbase allowed up to 50 BTC instant purchases for fully verified accounts.

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/55203204550/instant-bitcoin-purchases-at-coinbase

That's around a 22k limit at todays prices which is fine for most.

From the circle video you have to fully verify as well.

Not to de-rail this thread, but unless they changed policies in the last month, the max for INSTANT BTC purchase is $1,000 worth of BTC for fully verified accounts. 50BTC was the daily purchase limit, but not for instant BTC deposit into your account

Correct, the instant buy max is $1000 currently for Tier 2 customers:

http://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1412684-why-have-the-instant-buy-limits-changed-updated-1-27-2014

Did they mention the maximum buy limit for Circle yet? Something to monitor for the future, since they only did a $200 buy on the video demo.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 19, 2014, 04:03:28 PM

However, as a fellow Coinbaser, I'm not tempted to switch just yet.

Why even consider switching. I would imagine these 2 giants having narrow margins and highly competitive where you save a few dollars buying from Coinbase one day and on Circle the next day. Those with accounts with both can have the benefits of greater flexibility, greater liquidity(on those days that coinbase locks out new orders) , and the ability to shop between the two for slight savings.

They are both located in the US so once you have one, there really much of any privacy protections with a second.

I would warn that users who keep their coins in hot wallets will be responsible for capital gains, while users who withdraw their coins right away can choose to fund drones dropping bombs on villages of children or not.

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:11:33 PM

Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 01:33:57 PM

You can only instant purchase up to $1,000 in BTC on Coinbase, which isn't that much. If you want to buy 10BTC or something like that, you have to wait for ACH bank transfer (to limit Coinbase's risk exposure)

It has been almost a year since Coinbase allowed up to 50 BTC instant purchases for fully verified accounts.

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/55203204550/instant-bitcoin-purchases-at-coinbase

That's around a 22k limit at todays prices which is fine for most.

From the circle video you have to fully verify as well.

Not to de-rail this thread, but unless they changed policies in the last month, the max for INSTANT BTC purchase is $1,000 worth of BTC for fully verified accounts. 50BTC was the daily purchase limit, but not for instant BTC deposit into your account

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Quote from: gadman2 on May 19, 2014, 03:57:08 PM

That's for the intellgient unbiased dicussion guys. From what I gather it's basically going to be a coinbase cometetior. Same basic functions, but probably a smoother usebase.

I do like the streamlined "K.I.S.S." interface of Circle based on Jeremy Allaire's video demo of it.

However, as a fellow Coinbaser, I'm not tempted to switch just yet.

I will give Circle a whirl, once they send me the invite though. Wink

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That's for the intellgient unbiased dicussion guys. From what I gather it's basically going to be a coinbase cometetior. Same basic functions, but probably a smoother usebase.

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 03:11:12 PM

Quote from: ranlo on May 19, 2014, 02:41:04 PM

When you purchase shouldn't determine whether or not you can buy though. The price is at x, it should be sold at x, not y. It's the principal of it.

yes, according to this there is an algorithm used -
http://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/977656-why-was-my-order-%22high-risk%22-and-cancelled-

So there may be a higher probability of a false flag done either by coinbase or the bank when a large transaction occurs which is more typical during a dip as investors go all in to buy at an opportune time.

Whether there is further manipulation as a means to generate revenue is unknown.

Hmm, I wasn't aware of it working like that. I do know that you can usually argue your case with them and they'll push the order through at your original price, that's just a lot of work to do over and over. They really need a better system.

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Quote from: ranlo on May 19, 2014, 02:41:04 PM

When you purchase shouldn't determine whether or not you can buy though. The price is at x, it should be sold at x, not y. It's the principal of it.

yes, according to this there is an algorithm used -
http://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/977656-why-was-my-order-%22high-risk%22-and-cancelled-

So there may be a higher probability of a false flag done either by coinbase or the bank when a large transaction occurs which is more typical during a dip as investors go all in to buy at an opportune time.

Whether there is further manipulation as a means to generate revenue is unknown.

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:37:54 PM

Quote from: ranlo on May 19, 2014, 02:31:38 PM

Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:27:09 PM

Very good point, I usually only see this when there is a very large purchase. Competition may clean up this behavior or perhaps if both companies pull these "security" moves you now can have the choice of splitting multiple smaller buys between exchanges so you don't get flagged.

I've seen a lot of cases on Reddit where people purchased less than a Bitcoin and were flagged. Some people had purchased 100+ BTC over a month or two and then get flagged on a smaller purchase. The system is erratic.

If that is a case, that would indicate a less optimal algo being used to flag than possible manipulation. However, whatever gets flagged seems probabilistically to occur when the price has dipped for a brief moment....so.....

When you purchase shouldn't determine whether or not you can buy though. The price is at x, it should be sold at x, not y. It's the principal of it.

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Quote from: ranlo on May 19, 2014, 02:31:38 PM

Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:27:09 PM

Very good point, I usually only see this when there is a very large purchase. Competition may clean up this behavior or perhaps if both companies pull these "security" moves you now can have the choice of splitting multiple smaller buys between exchanges so you don't get flagged.

I've seen a lot of cases on Reddit where people purchased less than a Bitcoin and were flagged. Some people had purchased 100+ BTC over a month or two and then get flagged on a smaller purchase. The system is erratic.

If that is a case, that would indicate a less optimal algo being used to flag than possible manipulation. However, whatever gets flagged seems probabilistically to occur when the price has dipped for a brief moment....so.....

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:27:09 PM

Very good point, I usually only see this when there is a very large purchase. Competition may clean up this behavior or perhaps if both companies pull these "security" moves you now can have the choice of splitting multiple smaller buys between exchanges so you don't get flagged.

I've seen a lot of cases on Reddit where people purchased less than a Bitcoin and were flagged. Some people had purchased 100+ BTC over a month or two and then get flagged on a smaller purchase. The system is erratic.

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Quote from: CurbsideProphet on May 19, 2014, 01:24:53 PM

We just have to wait and see, I think more than the insurance thing, Circle's profitability model is what I question most right now.

Profit is made off he buy/sell spread like coinbase. It will be intresting to see if circle has a higher buy sell spread which makes the 1% fee coinbase charges moot. Coinbase may need to lower rates to compete.

Quote from: ranlo on May 19, 2014, 02:13:30 PM

I think a good question, though, is how often your purchased are going to be canceled at Circle due to being "high risk." This has been a pretty big problem with Coinbase.

Very good point, I usually only see this when there is a very large purchase. Competition may clean up this behavior or perhaps if both companies pull these "security" moves you now can have the choice of splitting multiple smaller buys between exchanges so you don't get flagged.

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Sent a Circle request just to see what this service is all about, and get $10 free in Bitcoin.

Hard to believe it's completely free, there's gotta be a catch somewhere.

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Quote from: inBitweTrust on May 19, 2014, 02:11:33 PM

Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 01:33:57 PM

You can only instant purchase up to $1,000 in BTC on Coinbase, which isn't that much. If you want to buy 10BTC or something like that, you have to wait for ACH bank transfer (to limit Coinbase's risk exposure)

It has been almost a year since Coinbase allowed up to 50 BTC instant purchases for fully verified accounts.

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/55203204550/instant-bitcoin-purchases-at-coinbase

That's around a 22k limit at todays prices which is fine for most.

From the circle video you have to fully verify as well.

I think a good question, though, is how often your purchased are going to be canceled at Circle due to being "high risk." This has been a pretty big problem with Coinbase.

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Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 01:33:57 PM

You can only instant purchase up to $1,000 in BTC on Coinbase, which isn't that much. If you want to buy 10BTC or something like that, you have to wait for ACH bank transfer (to limit Coinbase's risk exposure)

It has been almost a year since Coinbase allowed up to 50 BTC instant purchases for fully verified accounts.

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/55203204550/instant-bitcoin-purchases-at-coinbase

That's around a 22k limit at todays prices which is fine for most.

From the circle video you have to fully verify as well.

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Quote from: keithers on May 19, 2014, 12:16:18 PM

I think what a lot of people have against Circle, is that they seem to be basically re-inventing the wheel by bringing old school banking practices into the BTC market.

This may surprise many here, but not everyone wants an alternative to old school banking practices. They may appreciate lower fees with faster and wider transfer ability, but not everyone has an anarcho-capitalist yardstick to judge services by. Nor do they relish getting down and dirty learning complicated technology. They just want something that works simply and safely.

If Bitcoin is to be used by large numbers of people it needs to accommodate different types of people using it different ways too.

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The biggest 'pro' is that competition can make the best companies stronger.
Coinbase might respond with improved service and less frequent questionable "flagged" transactions.
New people will be attracted to BTC, and 'purists' don't need to go anywhere near Circle.

It's a win/win, not some kind of new drama that people need to "speak out against", imo.

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