Topic: Unbiased Review of BTC Trust HYIP (Read 2109 times)

Absolutely. Rating removed and I'm genuinely pleased you were able to understand this was not a vindictive action I took, it is simply that I am trying to get people to really understand how even their participation in these things is helping the scammers operate the ponzi.

Without participants they cannot scam and, what is more, while there are lowlifes around here who happily wear the red text and continue to try and encourage other people to participate in a ponzi they have already sent their deposit to, in order to socially engineer their 'profit' by sourcing their own victims, this community actions is more likely to leave these types of scumbags unable to do so and falling victim to the collapse of the ponzi themselves.

Besides which, Cynthia, how long do you think it would have taken before a wily ponzi operator saw you were reviewing HYIPs and realised the potential rush of 'investors' they could bag through your readership simply through ensuring that *you* walked away with a profit from their scam?

As I said, glad to have resolved this amicably.

P.S. We have encountered each other before, back when your original forum account became compromised in 2014 I explained to you how it was done.

just lock this topic thats the best advise i could give.

I explained why. I figured that if I actually went so far as to risk my own money, if I ended up getting screwed over, it would
server as a stronger warning than just saying "oh this is a scam" with no proof of my own to back it up.

So why did you even try?
I know so many people getting annoyed or angry because some hyip turned out to be a complete scam,why do you even bother this?
i havent found at least 1 good thread where we can find a reliable investing-based game or something like that,everyting are lies.

you know what just stop mentioning HYIP in this forum thats it, you'll be fine...

Let's recap:

1. The review is merely my own experience with the site (which was NEGATIVE, by the way and I clearly documented that fact)
2. There are NO links to their site at all in the review
3. I flat out say that I don't recommend investing with them
4. I outright say that they are a scam

If documenting a negative experience about a company, not linking to them, and not recommending them is promoting
them, then damn..I guess I've been doing my job wrong these last 20 years.

omg do i look stupid? i mean seriously? you mentioned the scam site and you are supporting the unbiased (crossfinger) review... tell me aint you promoting it?

I concede. I *can* see how even though I am posting about my negative experience with this particular HYIP, even having
an HYIP section lends legitimacy to those types of sites.

So...

I have removed that section from the site and moved the review into the Scam Graveyard where it belongs.

Fair enough?

No I didn't misunderstand your intent, I know you used the word 'value' to describe the learning experience, but you are still ignoring the content of my objections to you even doing this.

Unless you are going to declare that the only thing in your HYIP section is going to be this cautionary tale of exactly what happens when people send money to these things, you are implying that the rainbow-unicorn HYIP might still be found.

Are you going to be putting up more HYIPs?

If its a no then I'll concede and remove the rating. Otherwise if you are going to be listing more HYIPs in time then you're simply encouraging other people to risk participating in them, whether you say you profit or not. (Let's not forget what I said about where any 'profit' would be coming from, either. Any tacit support you show for HYIPs translates as it being ok with you to make money from theft)

I'm not promoting it. The review has no referral links in it. In fact, there are no links of any kind to the HYIP website in
the review anymore.

Did you actually read the review or did you just assume that I was promoting it because cryptodevil and I got into it?

You misunderstand my intent when I say "value". I don't mean monetary value. It's one thing for someone to scream 'scam'. It's another for
someone to risk their own money and document the experience. That's all. If someone does a search for '[insert hyip name] review' online,
maybe my review will come up. Maybe that person will read that review and think "Ok this person isn't just running around saying that this
is a scam. She actually put her money where her mouth is" and MAYBE the fact that I've documented my loss will carry some weight.

I'm not saying that "stay away - this is a scam!" alerts aren't valuable. They are. But when they are accompanied by real proof, by a real
person who invested real money, it becomes even more so.

And yes, BTC Trust will also be listed in the scam section on the site later today.

well hello cryptodevil we meet again but this time i agree with you. HYIPs no matter they pay or not they are scams, no proper documents (all are fakes) the investment packages and roi are ridiculous and more reasons why HYIPs are scam obviously they are.

and for you OP

its the likes of you who kept others from believing on these type of programs and the likes of you who many fell from it. Stop and pls again STOP promoting it here, promote it on other forums like talkgold.com not here bitcoin should not be tainted by these scams so pls STOP

I don't *think* they are scams, they ARE scams. Every. Single. One.

Damn, we're so close to resolving this amicably, too.

Mistake 1 - You refer to your HYIP section as having value, as though there *might* be one which you, and also your reader, *might* be able to profit from. So you post of one which dicks you around and pulls the usual, "send more money to us so you can withdraw yours" bullshit move. Which means your HYIP section will need another scam to review as being *possibly* an operation you could 'profit' with, yes?

Mistake 2 - In continuing to add to your HYIP section you imply that there may be a rainbow-unicorn HYIP out there which you might be able to withdraw more than you put in, yes?

Mistake 3 - Whether you do find this rainbow-unicorn HYIP or not, the damage is already done, namely, your readership is given the impression that HYIPs could be worth considering as a 'high risk' gamble, yes?

All of this done without ever mentioning the fact that if you were to walk away from a HYIP with more money than you put in, the profit you made didn't come from legitimate business operation/trading, it was just taken from some other poor sod's deposit. Perhaps the deposit made by someone who chose to participate in it after reading about HYIPs from your website, even.

Go on, do the right thing and either pull your HYIP section entirely or simply mark it as being the participation in an ongoing theft and, therefore, supporting such is wrong and only helps the operators of the scam survive longer before its inevitable collapse.

You are neither unreasonable nor an asshole. I get your hatred for HYIPs. I get why you think they are scams. I will not
remove the HYIP section from my site as I think the reviews are valuable as they document an actual investor's (me)
experience. However, I do agree that including the referral links does smack of a lack of bias so they have been removed.

I have also modified the intro paragraph on the main HYIP to be more cautionary and less "here's how you profit from it".

Whether you are yet to profit is utterly irrelevant. Please read again the reasoning why your willing participation in these scams is particularly egregious and perhaps you might reconsider the knee-jerkery you are currently displaying and, upon doing so, admit that hosting articles on 'investing' in HYIPs is tantamount to supporting scams and encouraging people to participate in them.

Your last sentence, by the way, is evidence that you are not actually paying proper attention to my posts seeing as I have already explained what steps you could take which would result in the removal of that rating. I nearly always remove negative ratings from people who, upon reflection, understand the nature of their actions, how it affects other people, particularly newbies to this industry and who choose to erase the previously posted support for a ponzi scam.

I'm not a totally unreasonable asshole.

Also, while we're on the subject of honesty. You might want to modify your negative review of me to actually be ACCURATE.

Contrary to your claims, I have not profited one whit from that referral link - not one single satoshi.

A screenshot of my egregious referral earnings:

http://imgur.com/N5krook

I won't ask you to remove the negative review because I know you won't. I do ask that you at least tell the truth.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to refer to that rhetorical question again.

Here's how it works, you claim to be unbiased, this means you have nothing to gain or lose from the article you are posting. This is untrue, you embed referral links in your article in order to profit from them. This invalidates your claim towards being unbiased.

Still with me?


It isn't, you can lose all the money you wish to. I could not give two shits about your losses. I do, however, care that senior and influential members of this forum community appear to be suggesting there is potential money to be made from these schemes, even though any money which would be made is only ever that which is taken from other people.

Your influential status both implies there is nothing wrong with trying to make money from participating in organised fraudulent misrepresentation and theft, as well as suggesting that you are able to provide sufficient information for other people to better evaluate which of these criminal operations they might wish to participate in. All the while you deign to only label them as scams after they have exited stage left with everybody's money.

Anyone who participates in a ponzi is helping the scammers run the operation in return for a share of the funds which are stolen from other people when it inevitably collapses, which they ALL do because of math.

Does ANY of the above sound to you like the sort of behaviour somebody in your position should be espousing?

As I said, when I am wrong, I admit it. I did overlook that link in the first paragraph and have removed it.

How is my review not unbiased? Am I recommending them? Am I lying and saying that they pay out like gangbusters
and that I am making mad profits? Am I soliciting funds to invest? No.

No matter how much folks scream to the rafters that HYIPs are scams, there are still people who want to hope for the
best. So if I want to put a little bit of my own money on the line to provide an honest accounting of what happens, why
is it any skin off your nose?

Are you dumb or just lying? Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

hxxps://www.btctrust.biz/?ref=bitcoinmafia

If you want that negative rating removed then don't post misleading threads here claiming to be offering 'unbiased' reviews and, secondly, don't have a 'HYIP review' section on your website unless it basically states that all HYIPs are obviously scams because otherwise they'd be selling stock on Wall St instead of advertising on sketchy cryptocurrency sites for 'investors'.

I missed nothing. There is no ref link in that artlcle anymore. Apparently I was updating the review while
you were having your "Ah ha! I gotcha!" moment.

I don't know you and you don't know me but I'm not exactly new around here. I have never knowingly pointed
folks toward a scam and when I have been wrong (as in this case with BTC Trust) I have owned up to it.