Understanding how bitcoin works is IRRELEVANT - page 2.

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Quote from: gogxmagog on June 25, 2015, 10:41:29 AM

Agree with the above.
You don't need to know how your car works either, but it can be to your advantage if you do. Like if it won't start, for example.
Also, BTC is suffering these days. Why? There is no killer app. There is no use case where BTC is uniquely best suited. Ignorance of the mechanics of BTC is not going to help us find the very thing that will propell BTC to ubiquity.

No you don't need to know how BTC works, but you should want to!

hmm... yep seems like bitcoin has lost some steam due to no new innovations.

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Quote from: gogxmagog on June 25, 2015, 10:41:29 AM

Agree with the above.
You don't need to know how your car works either, but it can be to your advantage if you do. Like if it won't start, for example.
Also, BTC is suffering these days. Why? There is no killer app. There is no use case where BTC is uniquely best suited. Ignorance of the mechanics of BTC is not going to help us find the very thing that will propell BTC to ubiquity.

No you don't need to know how BTC works, but you should want to!

I think saving money is it's USP. For instance, I would never use my credit oir debit card abroad because I would be absolutely raped by fees, but in theory I could use bitcoin all over the world like a truly universal currency and I would have to pay next to nothing to do so nor would I have to deal with paying money to convert my fiat to whatever country I'm in or going to.

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Agree with the above.
You don't need to know how your car works either, but it can be to your advantage if you do. Like if it won't start, for example.
Also, BTC is suffering these days. Why? There is no killer app. There is no use case where BTC is uniquely best suited. Ignorance of the mechanics of BTC is not going to help us find the very thing that will propell BTC to ubiquity.

No you don't need to know how BTC works, but you should want to!

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Quote from: unamis76 on June 25, 2015, 08:10:10 AM

The author is right, Bitcoin has reached a point in which you don't really have to understand it's underlying technology to be able to use it. There are online services that help with the usage of Bitcoins and mobile wallets that are secure enough and simple enough for daily usage by a non-techie

However, it's a huge bonus if you understand the inner works of Bitcoin. I've been trying to inform myself more and more about Bitcoin in the last few years. Imagine that the core devs step down... If there isn't anyone else reading about Bitcoin and accumulating deep knowledge about it, we wouldn't have anyone to replace the current core devs.

In short, you can definitely use Bitcoin while ignoring the way it works... Because it just works But it's also very important and a big plus to know the most you can about this new technology.

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Quote from: Lauda on June 25, 2015, 10:10:30 AM

Quote from: Amph on June 25, 2015, 09:47:14 AM

actually it is relevant if you want to run a business for bitcoin, and you need to run a full node , for example you need to know about confirmation time, so you can decide what you can offer to your customers in term of fast transaction

however i can agree that you don't need to know everything about bitcoin, but at least the bases should be known

That's not what the article is about. He does not discuss businesses.

He does not deny it either, and if he is a guy that he is not running any business now, he can in the future maybe, and when that time will come, he will need to know more, about bitcoin, that's what i mean

it is better to have basic knowledges about everything, one never know

also he just saying that, one don't need to know about bitcoin, because the success of it is not tied to its understanding, well no one is saying that you need to understand bitcoin, to help its success, and you need to understand it , only if you work with it, this should be pretty obvious

another example outside the business world is that you need for example to know how much time a confirmation take if you want to send money to your friend, and you don't have enough time to do it and he need that amount asap, so no he is not really correct from my pow

or you need to know how to use fee, if you want transaction fast, and the higher the fee the higher the priority ecc..., so again he is wrong...

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Quote from: Amph on June 25, 2015, 09:47:14 AM

actually it is relevant if you want to run a business for bitcoin, and you need to run a full node , for example you need to know about confirmation time, so you can decide what you can offer to your customers in term of fast transaction

however i can agree that you don't need to know everything about bitcoin, but at least the bases should be known

That's not what the article is about. He does not discuss businesses.

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But what I’ve come to appreciate is this – public understanding of how bitcoin works is irrelevant

What the author is trying to address is that the average consumer doesn't need to know how Bitcoin works. He's actually right, and whoever says that Bitcoin is too complicated to use is wrong. Who knows how FIAT works? I doubt that even 1% of the users (aside from people working with producing it and whatnot) know how it works.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on June 25, 2015, 09:23:57 AM

Quote from: oblivi on June 25, 2015, 09:02:14 AM

I think it's not irrelevant if you want to have some sort of privacy. Bitcoin's privacy is extremely weak for someone that has absolutely no idea how it works. If Joe were to make public his real identity attached to an address for donations or whatever, that address would be tied to him forever unless he knows ways around it.
Bitcoin needs work to make privacy more easy for newbies so they don't need to know all the technical details.

True, but those people likely don't care too much about privacy in the first place as if they did they would likely already be more careful and aware of how to keep themselves anon.

Imho most people start to care about privacy after they have already felt negative impact of not caring about privacy - i.e. people generally start to care about privacy when it's too late.

Regardless, it's true that in future people do not need to understand Bitcoin to use it. However that doesn't make it irrelevant to understand how Bitcoin works. Knowing how something works will always enable you to exert more control on the circumstances you live in - for Bitcoin this means, you will more carefully select which (exchange/banking) services you use. This will reduce your exposure to risk.

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actually it is relevant if you want to run a business for bitcoin, and you need to run a full node , for example you need to know about confirmation time, so you can decide what you can offer to your customers in term of fast transaction

however i can agree that you don't need to know everything about bitcoin, but at least the bases should be known

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Quote from: WhatTheGox on June 25, 2015, 09:39:35 AM

I've been saying for ages all we need to do is to get people to start using and supporting bitcoin. Just make cool platforms and gimics to bring in the mainstream donks.

Such as? It's obvious and easy to say that all we need to do is get people using it, but it's not as easy as that and most people have no real need or desire, especially for a currency that could lose them money (though the opposite is also obviously true).

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I've been saying for ages all we need to do is to get people to start using and supporting bitcoin. Just make cool platforms and gimics to bring in the mainstream donks. The herd will never bother to understand the inner workings of everything. Take the internet for example most people barely can use/understand it properly.

Andreas antonopoulos said something in one of his talks (i forget which one) along the lines of, we can simulate all the ways in which the current payment systems work, the way he said it at the time was kinda like.... but whats the point. I say there is a good reason to bring in the herd with simulation imo.

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Quote from: oblivi on June 25, 2015, 09:02:14 AM

I think it's not irrelevant if you want to have some sort of privacy. Bitcoin's privacy is extremely weak for someone that has absolutely no idea how it works. If Joe were to make public his real identity attached to an address for donations or whatever, that address would be tied to him forever unless he knows ways around it.
Bitcoin needs work to make privacy more easy for newbies so they don't need to know all the technical details.

If you think bitcoin privacy is weak, then what can you say about bigger picture - the internet? I think it is very close to compare bitcoin with the internet.
As for now hundreds of millions of people are using it, and do you think they care about privacy? Or they are willing to do something about it? Absolutely not.

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Quote from: unamis76 on June 25, 2015, 08:10:10 AM

The author is right, Bitcoin has reached a point in which you don't really have to understand it's underlying technology to be able to use it. There are online services that help with the usage of Bitcoins and mobile wallets that are secure enough and simple enough for daily usage by a non-techie

Using bitcoin isn't even that difficult, maybe only slightly more daunting than using online banking or something. I've always said there's not that much difference between using Paypal and blockchain.info. In fact, I think bc.info even has more security features than PP. Wallets and services will only get easier and more secure over time too.

Quote from: oblivi on June 25, 2015, 09:02:14 AM

I think it's not irrelevant if you want to have some sort of privacy. Bitcoin's privacy is extremely weak for someone that has absolutely no idea how it works. If Joe were to make public his real identity attached to an address for donations or whatever, that address would be tied to him forever unless he knows ways around it.
Bitcoin needs work to make privacy more easy for newbies so they don't need to know all the technical details.

True, but those people likely don't care too much about privacy in the first place as if they did they would likely already be more careful and aware of how to keep themselves anon.

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I think it's not irrelevant if you want to have some sort of privacy. Bitcoin's privacy is extremely weak for someone that has absolutely no idea how it works. If Joe were to make public his real identity attached to an address for donations or whatever, that address would be tied to him forever unless he knows ways around it.
Bitcoin needs work to make privacy more easy for newbies so they don't need to know all the technical details.

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I'd say I have a mediocre level of knowledge on how BTC works. Like you say though knowing how BTC works is irrelevent if you're an investor or VC just looking to make a shit load of money long term.
I have a good level of knowledge on securing my coins & that's the most important thing. The techie side & nerd stuff like you say is irrelevent.

Does average joe know the complicated side of fiat, currency exchange rates, bank debts, country to country loan % rates? The answer is no.

As long as people can safely secure their BTC & hopefully in the future make a hell of a lot of money then I doubt most people care about the techie/nerd side of BTC. As long as the developers & tech guys can maintain a working blockchain that's all I need to know.

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The author is right, Bitcoin has reached a point in which you don't really have to understand it's underlying technology to be able to use it. There are online services that help with the usage of Bitcoins and mobile wallets that are secure enough and simple enough for daily usage by a non-techie

However, it's a huge bonus if you understand the inner works of Bitcoin. I've been trying to inform myself more and more about Bitcoin in the last few years. Imagine that the core devs step down... If there isn't anyone else reading about Bitcoin and accumulating deep knowledge about it, we wouldn't have anyone to replace the current core devs.

In short, you can definitely use Bitcoin while ignoring the way it works... Because it just works

But it's also very important and a big plus to know the most you can about this new technology.

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