Topic: Understanding the Parasite (Read 7535 times)

Thank you.  Banks have the incentives to make bad loans, since bank debt (deposits) are propped up by the establishment in one way or another (bailouts, deposit insurance, media under-reporting of problems, etc.) While the elites can hold the system stable, it is in the bank's interest to make bigger gambles than under a true free market.  Any bank not doing this will be less profitable than competitors and their officers eventually replaced.

But all banks doing this means there will be more bad debts, and eventually the values of deposits will implode.  What happened in 2007-8 was essentially a shadow-bank version of this bank run.

A healthy system would be honest: depositors would agree in advance to take the loss of any bad loans.  The 'problem' with an honest system is that people would put a fraction of the money into banks they do today, and the politicians and bankers would't benefit nearly so much.

Perfect definition. In such system I agree with people who say any economy who is based on crediting is destined to fail by day one. Why ? Because not everyone can pay the credit(loans) they get so these are called "bad loans" and someone else have to take their burden. Who is/are someone else? Everyone of us, raising interest rates on loans happens only from such thing in the beginning. Remove the "bad loans" and the economy will keep flourishing, no matter in which country you are.
What I want to say is that "bad loans" is the biggest parasite in modern economy.

I have taken for granted that corruption and bribery doesn't exist (which is not true in 100% of the world) to simplify my reasoning.

Its not called parasitism but vampirism. Parasites stick to us without us knowing and feed from us but banks is more than that they are actually vampires. Vampires first seduced you by some kind of hypnosis that your money is safe in the banks and loans is good. After biting us with interest from loans they will be able to control us like the vampires can control their victims via telepathy. Banks now control the society, when you withdraw a big amount you will wait for how many days but if they will ask for loan payments they want it on the scheduled date otherwise suffer huge interest.

Banks live using our money and use our money against us. 

Great post, thank you.

You might try reading 'Fragile by Design.'  (The system is designed to fail from day one.)

The cleanest, most rigorous way I can find of describing the world system is:

'The alliance between politicians and bankers, anchored by the central bank, extract wealth from the rest of society by artificially propping up money, debt, and other financial assets with state power, benefiting themselves who issue the assets.  When some thus-overvalued asset must crash, the entire economy suffers from loss of wealth and thus demand.  This loss is especially intensified by the distortions in demand that set in during the asset inflation period.'

And my limited understanding of the Basel rounds is that Tier 1 reserve capital requirements will gradually become more strict, thus enabling TPTB to collapse the global banking system so they can usher in their NWO and SDRs.

Good stuff!  I look forward to reading part II, etc.

There is an even more generalized view of the parasitic condition: top politicians and banks get together and use state power to artificially inflate the values of financial assets (which include almost everything, even  stocks and real estate in an indirect fashion, via interest rate policy.)  The state contributes power, and the bankers contribute brains.  The state rewards banks mainly by using public money to guarantee their debt, etc.  The banks reward the state by helping to prop up money and public debt (by increasing demand for them.)

(As alluded just above, financial asset inflation benefits the elites not only because they issue some of the assets, but also by creating demand for other assets issued by the elites.  E.g. when interest bearing bank deposits are "safe guarded" by state power, you are less likely to go to gold and more likely to hold paper money which you give to banks.)

Fractional reserve banking deposits are one of the assets being propped up.  The general phenomenon has been around since the early 1600s (when the Bank of Amsterdam began to issue Europe's first paper money); Fractional reserve banking started somewhere near the end of the classical international gold standard, probably late-19th or early-20th century.

What this means is that, we, the public in democratic countries, are a crucial part of the problem, by allowing our elected politicians not only to allow the theft, but actively to form an alliance with banks to perpetrate it, by establishing the central bank, whose real purpose is to ensure the survival of the state-bank alliance by holding each party to its bargain.

OK, this is a really old post that i'm replying to, but I had to, to point out you are dead wrong.

The vast majority of money is NOT created by central banks, but by regular banks who loan out money that doesn't exist.
The simply move numbers around in their records, creating debt out of thin air.

Check out Simon Dixon's book "Bank to the Future" http://www.amazon.com/Bank-Future-Protect-before-Governments/dp/1907720375/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447995496&sr=8-2&keywords=simon+dixon

( that's the founder of the crowdfunding platform bnktothefuture.com by the way, I make their videos )

If you think money creation is a complex thing, you must have misunderstood it

Just like digging out gold from ground created gold money supply, creating numbers in central bank's account created fiat money supply, it is as simple as that, no loan, reserve or any other fancy word involved here

Who get the ownership of newly created money? What have they done for getting that ownership? If you could answer these 2 questions, you don't need any more explanations from banks

Banks are slaveholders, not parasite, they print money, you work, this is not stealing but robbery

Finance Part III is finished. See link at the bottom of the first post.

johnyj I think you mean well but you are not quite following the post. The wikipedia article you link and are pushing is the banker propaganda.
The article I posted for you to read is an admission of how the system actually works. It is a glimpse behind the curtain that shows how the system actually works and how financial interest use it to basically steal from productive members of society.


Between predator and parasite I would argue parasite is the better analogy because the banks (most of the time) don't actually want the loans they issue to default. They make more money if they pick the winners in the economy and their loans are paid in full then they do if they have to foreclose and seize assets. Parasites like banks prefer strong healthy hosts capable of supporting them and their offspring. If possible they prefer their host not die/go bankrupt.

However, there may be a better biological model then that of parasitism one that more closely describes the behavior of finance. I comment on this at the end of Part III.

@ CoinCube

I'm still inclined to the view that banker behaviour imitates predation, though
a formal and irrefutable proof would be difficult to prepare. There are significant
similarities in the behaviour of parasites and predators, as shown by this paper:
http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/pdf/42-3-pp-693-726.pdf
thus it is conceivable that in some specific conditions, there is no difference
between predation and parasitism.

In defence of my view on banking predation, admittedly a single instance -
the banking predator is discussed in the second half of this Max Keiser show E593:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBFJQqxNiM

Just a fun comment: If you can see a parallell between a fox acquiring the keys to the
henhouse from the farmer in exchange for a handful of counterfeit notes, we are
definitively talking about predation by the bankers.

If you have a particular argument for parasitic behaviour, I will be interested to
read it.

Do you believe that banks will tell you the truth that they print money to buy assets around the world?

All the bankers, when they were asked about money creation (Where does your money come from originally), they immediately bring out the totally non-sense topic of fractional reserve banking, saying money were created out of loan and credit. Why? Because that will cover what is really happening and mislead most of the people right away into the wrong path, so that they will never find out the truth. The complexity of FRB and loan are already enough to lose many talent minds

Bitcoin community also learned the trick, it is this dialog they presented to bankers:
Banker: What is bitcoin?
Bitcoiner: Bitcoin is the first decentralized digital currency backed by cryptographic and the largest distributed hashing networks on the planet

If you follow this path, you will never understand bitcoin, just like if you follow the FRB path, you will never understand money creation  

Agreed this is how the current system works.



Agreed


From the wikipedia article on the Minsky Financial Instability Hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_instability_hypothesis#financial_instability_hypothesis


It might be more clear when I publish Finance Part III. I'll get it done this weekend since there is interest. However the short answer is because Rothbard is right. Saying that is easy. My job is now to convince you.

 

@coincube

Seems like you understand money creation but I don't get how you can go from that to Rothbard.

IMO Minsky has a more "real world" understanding of banking like the pdf you link,  rather than the anti-Central Bank theme of your articles

To put it another way.  If money had to be backed by gold reserves & there was no Central Bank.  Banks would still create money (M1,M2, etc) from creating loans then they would look for the reserves later to balance their books.  If there was not enough gold then they would be at greater risk of insolvency.

I think Rothbard didn't understand banking the way Minksy did.  Rothbard thinks money is created from fractional reserves & that's why it leads him to the conclusion that Fractional Reserve Banking is harmful

I agree with your analogy of Government and Banks as competing parasites. My next post Finance Part III will cover the role of government. I will have it up in the next few days.

Arguing whether fractional reserve ended after the link to gold was broken is a matter of semantics.  Banks can now lend out near unlimited funds without being limited in any real way by the the amount of reserves they have. In effect what we now is is a fractional reserve system with a 0% reserve requirement. To prevent runaway inflation central banks still require "reserves" which banks must now buy when they want to lend. Central banks raise and lower the price of these "reserves" as an effective tax on lending and use this mechanism to control inflation.


That Wikipedia article is outdated and wrong.  
If you want to read an accurate explanation of money creation read this paper on money creation just published a month ago by the Bank of England's Monetary Analysis Directorate

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q1prereleasemoneycreation.pdf

There is no secret regarding modern money creation, I like the explanation on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_creation

Only central bank can create money, any other banks are just playing with those money created by central banks. Commercial banks can't create money through FRB, they just created lots of checkbook numbers (M1/M2). If they could create money out of nothing, then no banks would going bankrupt during financial crisis

The problem is the ownership, those who create the money get the ownership of those money (they can't lend out any money that does not belong to them), so all the money originally belongs to central banks. This is a very big difference after the gold standard has been removed, means central banks secretly created lots of money out of nothing and bought huge amount of assets on the planet. Under a gold standard, they must create gold first, which has a similar production cost as its value

I don't think that's what Minsky or Keen says.  Rather they point out how money is actually created in regular banking operations -- as double entry balance sheet operations. 

Banks create deposits from loans.  They don't loan out a multiplier of their reserves as the fractional reserve myth alludes to.  After they create the loan they look for the reserves.  If they don't have the reserves available they borrow it.  If no one lends it to them the Central Bank as as lender of last resort.

Both Minsky & Keen have an endogenous view of money.  They would hate BTC because it's inelastic.  Most of Post Keynesians would hate BTC because they all have a liquidity preference for money. BTC is designed to be inelastic and non liquid

Well I hope part 4 is the rise of crypto and not the enslavment of all mankind.. it is seeming more like that is where we will end up.

"It is an ancient and institutionalized form of theft who's perpetrators have managed to convince the masses it is a "natural part of the economy". "

Hmmmm. I would see government as the parasite, favouring stable ongoing symbiotic relationships that enable the maximum to
be extracted from the host without killing it. Banks then function as a competing parasite or as a predator, with the dynamics
favouring the predator (IMHO.) I do not have a reference to hand, but some have suggested that parasite-host-predator systems
accelerate evolution, and that perhaps these systems are "a natural part of" the ecosystem.

I cannot comment on Minsky, and I cannot recall Keen speaking specifically on fractional reserve banking. My own view is
that fractional reserve lending ended when "we" broke the link to gold as the benchmark for money and replaced it with the
US dollar (FRN). Also, when "light touch" regulation was applied, governments gave the "market" the power to decide what bank
leverage ought to be. We now know how well that worked.

As regards your comment on slavery, most people have not begun to see the link between debt and slavery.

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Very nice introduction, CoinCube.  I look forward to seeing more.   

I offer two thoughts:

1)  Money is traditionally defined as having three major characteristics:

-- Unit of Account ("keeping score", how much your company is worth)
-- Medium of Exchange (you pay $2.75 for that head of lettuce)
-- Store of Value (your "money" ($50,000 say) will, you hope, will still be worth a real $50,000 in 5 years...)

It turns out that it is difficult for any currency to function as all three of the above.

Google:

a) Triffin's Dilemma
b) FOFOA's Dilemma

2)  It is the Central Banks (the Federal Reserve here in the USA) that typically print (or direct the printing of) the currencies, as opposed to "the banks".  Also, typically, those who are closest to (early receivers of) the newly created money get the most benefit.  This certainly true here in the USA.

Also, IIRC, the amounts that individual banks can lend out actually is actually limited.  I believe the leverage (approximate inverse of the required reserves that the banks must hold, typically as directed by the Central Bank) in the USA is about 10 x.  Meaning that for each dollar they have in reserves (to cover people wanting to take cash out of their accounts, etc.) that they can lend out close to 10 times that (fractional reserve banking).  Thus is "creating money out of thin air".

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Do consider writing about gold and its role as you see it in the financial system, the whole subject of gold interests me very much.