Unelectric Bitcoin Society - page 2.

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Quote from: Ains_sama on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 AM

it is very pleasant if there is such a delivery, and I am very supportive of sending it as far as possible without electricity.

Yes I am too, the goal is not so much to hand or mail a paper key but to transmit it between two parties directly as far as possible using no electricity. It is the send receive portion that has to us no electricity to qualify.

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Quote from: Midas111 on February 14, 2019, 06:47:16 PM

In fact a prefunded wallet seed can be sent and resent with no electricity.. use morse code, make your own code
This is the very basis of the unelectric bitcoin society.

You mean send private keys (seeds/WIF/QR) with balance in it, without using electricity?
Yes, that's possible, but you need to swipe it in your wallet apps ASAP. This operation needs electricity/battery and internet to function.

Why bother with this strange and extremely unsafe ideas? Just use cash!

Bitcoin is the internet of money.

That same thing i had in mind why OP is asking about this when theres a separation of usage from Fiat to Cryptocurrency,it is more convenient to use cash when internet is not around and same as the cryptocurrency when the internet is available.why need to harden the situation when theres a more easy way

For me let bitcoin stays in online transactions and let fiat do the online so there is no complications

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electricity is the driving force of the internet, which has been functioning as the main means, without electricity, it means no movement and that is very annoying

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Quote from: Midas111 on February 14, 2019, 06:02:39 PM

Ideas could be using

light flashes
fire,
smoke,
Whats your idea?

Let's not go full cavemen, ok?
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Quote from: jseverson on February 15, 2019, 02:48:17 AM

Is stuff like this even necessary?
But yeah I'm pretty sure the cited tweet was being sarcastic lol.

No and yes! Grin

Btw, OP, any ideas on how to encrypt those smoke signals?

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Anything can be made possible, and that needs some sort of relevance, I don't find anything here. From my knowledge this can be achieved within limited distance or through networking that functions on solar power. Apart from this through satellite it seems possible, but for the same also there is need for electricity when transmitting the signals and receiving the signals.

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I don't think an Unelectric Bitcoin Society can exist, well, they can print small amount of BTC to paper and exchange, lol.

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just having an idea that looks "Kool" is not enough unless you are just having fun and don't care about practicality of what you are suggesting. otherwise the idea first of all has to be secure. for example what we are seeing these days in the news sites copying news from each other is not safe at all because it is sending the private keys to someone else and it can be hacked in the rout to the receiver or the sender can still spend the coins since he would continue owning the key.

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Quote from: Ains_sama on February 15, 2019, 03:28:42 AM

it is very pleasant if there is such a delivery, and I am very supportive of sending it as far as possible without electricity.

lol wut? are you saying you prefer a slow, difficult, long transfer process?
if that's the case fiat is a good option indeed. just need to swing your hands.

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it is very pleasant if there is such a delivery, and I am very supportive of sending it as far as possible without electricity.

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Quote from: jseverson on February 15, 2019, 02:48:17 AM

Is stuff like this even necessary?

Probably not. But as a thought experiment, it could be quite entertaining.
Most obvious choice would be to use snail-mail right? But that's just boring, I guess OP wants something more extraordinary.
So how about music? I mean rhythms, big-ass bells, gongs or war drums?
Should do the trick, problem is that any bystander can hear this, using some sort of cipher would be required.
There is also pigeon mail... Roll Eyes

ridiculous but may work quite fast, although eagles or hawks may hunt your courier down Cry

Nevertheless electricity will be mandatory at some point, no escape. Besides when we loose the electrical grid worldwide, bitcoins will be the last thing we would worry about.
And as my predecessor NeuroticFish said, there is also an issue with trust.

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Quote from: Midas111 on February 14, 2019, 06:02:39 PM

to get the furthest possible zero energy transfers of actual bitcoin directly between 2 people

It's never zero energy, since the 2 people have to be alive, that means they consume energy.
However, let's stick to the idea.

Imho there's no way to do this without a 3rd entity. A 3rd entity both person 1 and 2 trust. (Any other option means that person 1 has a good chance to scam person 2).
And then it's no use to do this with Bitcoin. For offline use we have fiat, we have gold, silver, ... one can work for food, whatever.
So just leave Bitcoin do what it was designed for and what's doing best: online transactions. Leave Bitcoin stay online.

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If there is a prefunded bitcoin wallet then you only need to give a private key to the other person. Write it on a piece of paper and take a long walk, give it to the other person but they can't validate it without electricity

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Is stuff like this even necessary? I mean, these methods of information transmission have already been rendered obsolete by centuries of technological progress and we want to go back to them...why? There's also the fact that Bitcoin's white paper itself describes it as a "Peer-to-peer Electronic Cash System". It's meant to take advantage of electricity, worldwide connectivity, etc.

But yeah I'm pretty sure the cited tweet was being sarcastic lol.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 14, 2019, 10:42:29 PM

Why bother with this strange and extremely unsafe ideas? Just use cash!

Bitcoin is the internet of money.

Exactly my thoughts. Unlike cash and commodities which are physical, BTC is literally virtual so there's nothing you can grab from.

You still need electricity to facilitate electronic transfers.

OP must be smoking some good weed there.

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Quote from: Midas111 on February 14, 2019, 06:47:16 PM

In fact a prefunded wallet seed can be sent and resent with no electricity.. use morse code, make your own code
This is the very basis of the unelectric bitcoin society.

You mean send private keys (seeds/WIF/QR) with balance in it, without using electricity?
Yes, that's possible, but you need to swipe it in your wallet apps ASAP. This operation needs electricity/battery and internet to function.

Why bother with this strange and extremely unsafe ideas? Just use cash!

Bitcoin is the internet of money.

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Quote from: kolesozw on February 14, 2019, 06:40:39 PM

It's impossible.

You can send it, of course. Many users in Africa are sending coins offline.
The problem is that you can't confirm transaction without electricity, because you can't mine a block in that way.

The pursuit is not to say impossible, but to hack reality and make it possible.

In fact a prefunded wallet seed can be sent and resent with no electricity.. use morse code, make your own code
This is the very basis of the unelectric bitcoin society.

Instead of saying impossible, say...
how else?..
what other ways can we send with no electricy?

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It's not possible technically! Entire bitcoin network is powered by internet and to access internet, you need internet enabled device that runs on electricity. Also to confirm the transaction, a block has to be mined. That is not possible without electricity. So it's not technically possible.

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It's impossible.

You can send it, of course. Many users in Africa are sending coins offline.
The problem is that you can't confirm transaction without electricity, because you can't mine a block in that way.

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the exact and real transfer of bitcoin using no electricity

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Quote from: CaVO32 on February 14, 2019, 06:15:18 PM

i don't think someone can receive his bitcoin without the use of electricity. it always is. maybe, i am missing something. let us wait what other people will say on this...

you can send it. and the next person can send it to someone else.

You would fund a wallet, then transfer the seed of the wallet via the longest possible non electric communication, like smoke signals across two line of sight high elevations

the person receiving would

1 then send it to someone else using no electricity or

2 log in and transfer it to his own wallet or exchange

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