"Unfold" button in poker. Would that work? - page 3.

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Quote from: JackpotRacer on November 10, 2015, 09:29:17 AM

IMO a very good idea but it would give the more skilled poker players even more advantage over the
average player.

Possibly, but from I've noticed most 'average' (or inexperienced) players can be classified as 'tight passive', meaning they rarely bluff and only call with good hand. Those players are likely to fold before the flop (especially when someone raises). 'Unfold' could give them a second chance, when shitty hand turns out to be not-so-shitty.

So this could work both ways. Better skilled players will still have advantage and will profit more in the long run, but the less-skilled could have potentially more winning chances in the short run.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 10, 2015, 05:43:21 AM

If you play poker often, you've probably heard someone joking 'how do I unfold?' or 'where's the unfold button?' after the flop.

What if there actually was one?

Would it be an interesting idea to create variation of i.e. standard no-limit Hold'em including 1 extra option: the 'Unfold button'?.
For example, it would only be active after the flop (but not after the turn or the river), there would be say 5 seconds pause after the flop to give time to 'folded' players to make decision whether they want to go back in the game or not.

To use that option, player would have to throw in 2x current pot on the table (but not as 'raise'), possibly there could also be additional fee payable directly to the house (say 0.2 of the current pot, non-refundable).

Would that work at all? Would it make the game more interesting, or on the contrary - too complex and unplayable?

Thoughts?

Disclaimer: The 'unfold button' implementation idea is an intellectual property of pawel7777, if you planning to use it on your poker site, the author would like to get paid

Interesting idea, there are no fold button after flop Cheesy

Don't know if it will implement on some poker sites or not.
Not all players want to play this "funny game" but sometimes they will..!

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 10, 2015, 08:19:58 AM

Quote from: Boelens on November 10, 2015, 07:52:59 AM

I don't think this would in any way ever be a good idea. It removes a lot of skill and decision making that differentiates good poker players from good poker players.
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Wouldn't it be the opposite? The more options/factors you have in the game, the more skills it takes to analyse and to make a move. Something like chess Vs. checkers.

Quote from: Boelens on November 10, 2015, 07:52:59 AM

Also it's very easy to exploit or cheat using this especially if you have a group of friends or people you know that you'll play with and organise with. If you fold you fold, it should stay that way.

Same as above. More factors should make it harder for organised group to operate.

IMO a very good idea but it would give the more skilled poker players even more advantage over the
average player.

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Quote from: Boelens on November 10, 2015, 07:52:59 AM

I don't think this would in any way ever be a good idea. It removes a lot of skill and decision making that differentiates good poker players from good poker players.
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Wouldn't it be the opposite? The more options/factors you have in the game, the more skills it takes to analyse and to make a move. Something like chess Vs. checkers.

Quote from: Boelens on November 10, 2015, 07:52:59 AM

Also it's very easy to exploit or cheat using this especially if you have a group of friends or people you know that you'll play with and organise with. If you fold you fold, it should stay that way.

Same as above. More factors should make it harder for organised group to operate.

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I don't think this would in any way ever be a good idea. It removes a lot of skill and decision making that differentiates good poker players from good poker players. Even if you 'punish' the person unfolding by doubling the bet or pot. Also it's very easy to exploit or cheat using this especially if you have a group of friends or people you know that you'll play with and organise with. If you fold you fold, it should stay that way.

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Quote from: lottery248 on November 10, 2015, 07:08:52 AM

i believe that can be exploitable and someone can just use that method to win easily.

Care to describe the possible exploit you have in mind?

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i believe that can be exploitable and someone can just use that method to win easily.

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Quote from: brianlee01 on November 10, 2015, 06:54:59 AM

Lol.. I don't think Unfold button will be in Poker site. I think people will cheating if there is any Unfold button after the flop

Cheating how?

This is not an idea to replace the current, popular variations (Holdem, Omaha), just an idea for another fun/experimental variation, just to spice the game up.

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Lol.. I don't think Unfold button will be in Poker site. I think people will cheating if there is any Unfold button after the flop

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Quote from: hopenotlate on November 10, 2015, 06:08:29 AM

Not sure if I will like it, maybe not.
Am curious anyway to have a try at it.

Anyway following your line there could be an unbet/unraise option after flop drop down then.

That's not really feasible. Unraising would mean you have to reverse other players actions if they already reacted (called/folded). And why would you raise in the first place if you want to unraise.

The purpose of 'unfold' would be just to add additional tool, which doesn't change the principle of the game. Adding 1 extra factor could make it more interesting, currently playing holdem can often be a bit stale, especially if players are familiar with each other.

Also, 1 extra factor could make it much harder for the poker bots, and it could increase the revenue of the pokers site (if the fee is included, as per my original post).

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Not sure if I will like it, maybe not.
Am curious anyway to have a try at it.

Anyway following your line there could be an unbet/unraise option after flop drop down then.

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If you play poker often, you've probably heard someone joking 'how do I unfold?' or 'where's the unfold button?' after the flop.

What if there actually was one?

Would it be an interesting idea to create variation of i.e. standard no-limit Hold'em including 1 extra option: the 'Unfold button'?.
For example, it would only be active after the flop (but not after the turn or the river), there would be say 5 seconds pause after the flop to give time to 'folded' players to make decision whether they want to go back in the game or not.

To use that option, player would have to throw in 2x current pot on the table (but not as 'raise'), possibly there could also be additional fee payable directly to the house (say 0.2 of the current pot, non-refundable).

Would that work at all? Would it make the game more interesting, or on the contrary - too complex and unplayable?

Thoughts?

Disclaimer: The 'unfold button' implementation idea is an intellectual property of pawel7777, if you planning to use it on your poker site, the author would like to get paid

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