UnionBank to offer Bitcoin trading on mobile app in Octomber

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

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https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

I believe this news because in my country union bank was the only bank that offered Bitcoin direct buying and selling before the central bank hard to attacked Bitcoin by placing a direct bank involvement in cryptocurrency transactions, that is what placed the limitation on union bank attempt to keep developing on that services.
So since this is coming from the Philippines and now that the government of that country is taking steps to regulate Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency make it easier for the bank to go ahead with this kind of service, but we have to be aware of the privacy risk of using a centralized platform such as banks to buy and store our bitcoins.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

Do you mean the bank as a whole?

In my view, so far we are still not completely convinced that unless the country opens up its policies globally regarding the status of Bitcoin, then banks will be able to do the same. However, if you operate where Bitcoin is not used as a legal medium of exchange, the bank will face a very risky challenge. Transaction involvement in banks is about controlling financial entry and exit, so to see banks implementing the Bitcoin payment system means we need to look at central government policies first and not immediately establish policies outside the bank's authority.

Yes true, we are still a while to go before anything like that to happen. I do agree that it is going to be a tough one but we are going to get there eventually which will be fine, I do believe that we need to reach to a point where life will be easier to handle and should be considering it a bit better.

I agree that it is not simple to get the banks to be a lot more public and open about bitcoin, they are not all entirely sure about the process and if it will be profitable for them and what are the negatives and what are the positives, so we just have to give them some time to make their calculations. If the result gets to a level where they should do it for their own good, they will do it anyway.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

It will be available only for select retail customers. Well, I hope this will become successful, since one of my major bank I'm using is Union bank, so it's gonna be easier soon to buy and sell bitcoin or eth without leaving the actual facility that hold my fiat.
One of the main thing I'm hoping here is a reasonable transaction fees. By doing it everything directly from the bank, we were able to save some fees already because we have eliminated the use of an exchange or trading platform, Union bank should maximize this opportunity.

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That is for sure but crypto in our country is no longer a secret and if it's about taxation, it is a certain thing. The reality about it is that, unlike any other countries where IRS is too strict about collection of tax. Our Bureau of Internal Revenue isn't. But you're right about the potential of the Unionbank giving that data to the government if there's a need to chase those users that have been missing to file their taxes. Well, it's really different here in our country and only the big ones are always getting the attention of the government. If you're too small whether you're a trader or an investor, you just have to do it on your own and file it voluntarily.

That is not limited for government to look only for those traders who don't file taxes, they may also scrutinize every single person if they want to take out taxes on every single transaction that comes from crypto. I know about some countries where crypto taxes are weird and they treat it as gambling. This will only harm the innocent people who will use banks happily to buy crypto because the culprits who are involved in things like smuggling, kidnapping, child trafficking will never go through banks to cashout their crypto that they collect in ransom.

Well, I am speaking for what's actually happening in our country in terms of taxes. Yes, they're not only going to deal with traders and investors but to almost everyone who's living in here. But I am foreseeing on how other countries that are strict with tax compliance, our country might be next on it.

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on September 19, 2023, 08:07:08 AM

Remember that all the governments used to ban bitcoin and cryptocurrency, and now they are slowly accepting it, which means they have found benefits in it. There is no reason why banks have been so vehemently opposed to cryptocurrencies, and now they are providing us with convenient avenues to invest in cryptocurrencies. Always be careful with what the government or banks give us, there are no free meals in this world, everything has its price. Taxes are the reason why all governments want to accept bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

Not all but few countries. Many are neutral and have nothing to say until they make laws and adjusts some policies about it including what they can benefit adopting it. While it's true that there's always the reason why they have to do this but somehow, if they're seeing no problem on it. It's either they support or not worry at all.

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heard of stories in the past of certain crypto users getting flagged on their banking app after declaring that their funds came from crypto earnings (even if it's from trading so make it make sense lol), so this narrative of unionbank being "crypto-friendly" is something that doesn't sit right with me. Got a couple of friends who lost a reliable banking provider all cause they won't accept crypto funds, so why be crypto-friendly now when you can just double-down on the hate against crypto, they did it anyway with the banning of crypto-borne funds and profits in their platform anyway.

And while to some this may come as good news, I'm not particularly stoked about it either, we have more reliable trading applications and exchanges on the market now, there's probably nothing different that's going on with their trading platform, could be even worse cause of fees.

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Quote from: Latviand on September 19, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

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This is from our country. I haven't gone through most of the details but for everyone's sake just to have an idea. Unionbank is a local bank here and they've been supportive of crypto. But there have been reports that when a customer deposits money that came from the source through crypto, they've put a red flag on it. A few crypto users and as well as depositors of that bank have posted it on social media before. While it is good to have another wallet and exchange here in our country. I can say that these wallet providers and exchanges here are becoming competitive because we're having a lot of options and that's in favor for us.

One of my friends got that exact problem with Unionbank too, deposited 20k USD worth in PHP then got flagged by the bank although to be fair with the bank, my friend quickly withdrawn the same amount so definitely it's understandable that it's flagged as suspicious, that was one of the reasons why that friend stopped using Unionbank, plus there are other online banking much better than Unionbank now so it's not that big deal that UB plans to accept bitcoin trading or crypto.

These banks not just Unionbank have that triggered about a sudden huge deposit and then if the customer has also done the same thing successfully before. It's a common alert for them and that's why I don't do huge deposits because that's how they're going to be triggered.
Especially if the activity on the account isn't that much and then all of a sudden, there's a larger amount that comes in out of nowhere. That will truly question the customer about how he'd got such funds. And it's all about the money laundering suspicious and that's why even if you're truthful to them that it's your profit in crypto, they may just allow you to withdraw but that would be the last time for you to use them.

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Are they going to provide only BTC trading or in other pairs too? That's a good step towards adopting the trends of the world, but I doubt if any person would like to buy BTC directly from such banking apps. I mean, there remains no purpose to buying BTC, and how can a buyer or holder of BTC take advantage of the exclusive benefits of BTC if they are buying it from such centralized banking apps?

And even stroking them on such apps. This does not look good, but overall, it makes BTC look good. Because those who have not taken any positions in buying BTC will try to buy it now. Many people still love banks, but they also want to give BTC a try. And they don't want to do it using any decentralized platform.

That's why banking apps will open those doors for such people, and the adoption rate of BTC will increase, which will increase the value of BTC because there will be more demand and the supply is going to shorten due to the halving event.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

There's nothing new in this, if the government surely allows for the use of bitcoin in making transactions and payments then the banks will also have no choice than to embrace the same adoption along the line with them, if we consider how the people are accepting bitcoin and making payments in this same digital currency, banks wouldn't want to be left out in this kind of financial opportunities because they are always open to offers that can bring in money for them continuously.

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Quote from: KiaKia on September 19, 2023, 07:08:10 AM

Let the Banks adopts Bitcoin if they like, but that shouldn't be your own concern and this must not confuse you into thinking that it's safe to use your bank account to directly purchase Bitcoin, because the only way your government can crack down on crypto investors is finding traces of bank transactions that includes Bitcoin or crypto trades.

If governments have made plan to catch those who are involved in crypto then they can easily trace them. They don't have to adopt BTC just to bring people to use it. Although, you have a good point here because history has proved that whenever a exchange or a platform bankrupted and seized comes under government's ownership. They are centralized and have some loop holes in them.

Quote from: KiaKia on September 19, 2023, 07:08:10 AM

If Banks are adopting Bitcoin it's for their own good, they are simply investors like you, but do not break your privacy because of this, I have my reasons why I don't use PayPal to purchase crypto or use any centralized payment solution to purchase crypto, they can betray you.

You are right, because they can easily imply tax on the BTC user. Because many people use BTC in countries where they have to pay tax, they are finding ways to reduce the tax and eliminate it totally. And some are successful too. That's why banks are making things easier for them because they don't have to spend a lot of time tracing the person making the transaction so that they could be taxed.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

That's good news as the adoption rate will increase but this step might not be liked by the enthusiasts of decentralization (E.D.). I mean to say, that banks are centralized and they offer BTC trading, which is totally the opposite of decentralization. That's why I said E.D. might not like this step. But there will be 2 types of people in the world. Like if there is bad then there is good.

This means, overall the adoption of BTC will increase and that's good for the BTC price. And you asking why BTC is being adopted by the banks? I say they don't want to be left behind just like the post office has lost traffic due to email and mobile phone networks. They don't want people to move on to crypto/BTC. That's why they are adopting BTC but those who will use their products have to follow their rules. And one more thing we all should keep in mind is that, "If you don't own the key, then you don't own the assets".

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Let's just see what will happen because in our country there are countless trading platforms we can use but UB is the biggest name among all if in case but I don't think that it would be the bank as a whole probably it is just a feature on their app or website to have this. Let's just see what will happen next month if this is ever rolled out.

If this is a success then this would be the first bank to have this kind of feature on their app but I am not sure if we can also transact Bitcoin in their actual bank.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

Do you mean the bank as a whole?

In my view, so far we are still not completely convinced that unless the country opens up its policies globally regarding the status of Bitcoin, then banks will be able to do the same. However, if you operate where Bitcoin is not used as a legal medium of exchange, the bank will face a very risky challenge. Transaction involvement in banks is about controlling financial entry and exit, so to see banks implementing the Bitcoin payment system means we need to look at central government policies first and not immediately establish policies outside the bank's authority.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 19, 2023, 07:02:42 AM

I think we need to wait for a while first , I mean lets see the effect first and if people in crypto will take this as advantage or another threat because this will surely involving KYC in which many of us tries to deny passing if given a chance.
anyway I love this to come if ever and I am surely one to use this when that happened .

Maybe I'm wrong, I think the app would sync with the user's Unionbank account or use it for default fiat deposit storage. If you're an existing user, KYC will no longer be requested. Or if you're completely new, Unionbank will handle user registration.
This method is the same as my local forex platform.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

No.

One bank can't change it all. Union Bank has been a crypto-friendly bank ever since, and they've been supporting it for quite some time already. Well, I don't want to judge the outcome of this update coming from them, but I wonder if there will be some Union Bank users who will try this feature of them. Do banks slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin? Nope. Like I said, it's only 1 bank, and did we heard a news regarding those big banks out there that they'll be adding features that's related to crypto in their current system? No.

I'm from PH, and also has a Union Bank account but TBH, I will not try to touch on this one. I'd rather trade on Binance than here.

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If I remember correctly there's already a thread about this topic which also mentioned UnionBank, for those people who's not aware from it, it's really from Philippines so we could say that's a local bank. Of course we could say that there's a lot of local banks here that mostly used and much prefer by people. So what's the UnionBank much better than the others for a crypto user or Bitcoiner? They are open to accept any kind of transactions that involved crypto or bitcoin because actually the other banks would not accept it as they cannot allow it due to it's decentralized so it would be hard for them to trace money that are entering their system. And now they announced some new features in mobile for sure when other banks find how good the impact of crypto or Bitcoin to them, they would literally copy what UnionBank did.

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Banks surely will adapt and implement a money-making opportunity scheme/method that arises from cryptocurrency, especially if the local governments fully support or have a friendly policy toward this sector. Bitcoin is surely an example. The barrier of why others did not follow suit is that the government disallows such adoption.

However, we must note that any Bitcoin that the user buys through the application will surely be within the custody of the bank itself or the entity that the bank partnered with. I believe it still would open up the opportunity for a greater and wider bitcoin adoption. An existing bank user will be exposed to bitcoin easily, therefore, they may want to dig deeper into what bitcoin is really all about. Or simply to the one who hasn't heard bitcoin before.

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I'd honestly not go for such options because it'll expose us to the government as all this is being done just to snatch away our freedom of preserving our financial responsibility on our own. Banks will surely give our data to income tax and governments and if you come from a country where huge taxes have been levied on your profits, then I am sure you will not go for this.

That is for sure but crypto in our country is no longer a secret and if it's about taxation, it is a certain thing. The reality about it is that, unlike any other countries where IRS is too strict about collection of tax. Our Bureau of Internal Revenue isn't. But you're right about the potential of the Unionbank giving that data to the government if there's a need to chase those users that have been missing to file their taxes. Well, it's really different here in our country and only the big ones are always getting the attention of the government. If you're too small whether you're a trader or an investor, you just have to do it on your own and file it voluntarily.

Remember that all the governments used to ban bitcoin and cryptocurrency, and now they are slowly accepting it, which means they have found benefits in it. There is no reason why banks have been so vehemently opposed to cryptocurrencies, and now they are providing us with convenient avenues to invest in cryptocurrencies. Always be careful with what the government or banks give us, there are no free meals in this world, everything has its price. Taxes are the reason why all governments want to accept bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?

Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

This is a great initiative and if the story be true, then it is actually a welcome development and if I'm not wrong, we also have unionbank over here in my country and we refer to it as the union Bank of Nigeria and I believe and I wanted to know if the development is for their branches globally or is it for a particular region?
Please bear with me if my questions aren't right as I didn't take the time and pleasure of reading the original story from the link you provided.

Another thing is that, hope the bank isn't trying to seek a way to tax digital assets because personally I'm really sure everyone gets into business for profit and the bank isn't exempted from that.

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Quote from: peter0425 on September 19, 2023, 07:02:42 AM

Quote from: coin-score.ai on September 19, 2023, 03:49:14 AM

What is your opinion, do you think that banks are slowly starting to adopt Bitcoin?
Source:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/union-bank-of-the-philippines-launches-bitcoin-and-ethereum-trading

I think we need to wait for a while first , I mean lets see the effect first and if people in crypto will take this as advantage or another threat because this will surely involving KYC in which many of us tries to deny passing if given a chance.
anyway I love this to come if ever and I am surely one to use this when that happened .

Even if that source does not mention KYC, but I feel that KYC is a must thing that users will comply and need to do KYC when they want to use the apps. We do not know what the reaction from the user is but they will not have a problem with that, although the other users can choose the other apps.

Those who care about their identity will not want to use it and will stick to what they used until now. And using that apps will be an option for their people because their people already have their favorite apps.

Yes, we need to wait for a while and see the result. If people like it, it will help the adoption. But if not, I hope the apps still have an update from the developer so the apps can run for a long time.

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Quote from: Bureau on September 19, 2023, 05:28:34 AM

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Does this news mean that cryptocurrency is now legal in the Philippines? I am sure that all banks in any country are governed and regulated by a central bank. In the Philippines Central Bank of the Philippines does that job. If a bank is now offering crypto service then it does look like they have got permission from the Central Bank.

This is a piece of good news for the crypto community. It makes life easier for those who are into crypto trading and also those who want to hold Bitcoin and other crypto for long-term gain.

It looks like cryptocurrency isn't officially accepted as a legal tender but they are classified as virtual currencies which falls under digital assets. The Central Bank issues licenses to platforms like UnionBank and they are called Virtual Asset Service Providers where citizens can trade their digital assets so the treatment of crypto is more like stocks.

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