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Topic: Unique serial number for every single satoshi - page 3. (Read 3984 times)
I've been looking for a place to put this
http://www.foopics.com/show/ebf4989def30ec9ef246ffe2c11359fa
http://www.foopics.com/show/ebf4989def30ec9ef246ffe2c11359fa
As I understand, this is largely compatible with order-based coin coloring, i.e. as long as transactions adhere to order-based coloring rules this proposal and order-based coloring will produce identical results.
The only practical advantage I see is that it's possible to pay fees with colored coins, i.e. miner can take advantage of coins' color.
However we I'm not convinced that we need this more complex system just to handle fees, since there are some ways to use colored coins for fees with order-based coloring.
The only practical advantage I see is that it's possible to pay fees with colored coins, i.e. miner can take advantage of coins' color.
However we I'm not convinced that we need this more complex system just to handle fees, since there are some ways to use colored coins for fees with order-based coloring.
Another one claiming for "tainted Satoshis".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
You always have the freedom to setup a coin melting mining pool, and I encourage you to do so. However, joining your pool is voluntary. Unless there is a protocol change, my proposal will still work.
Another one claiming for "tainted Satoshis".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
You always have the freedom to setup a coin melting mining pool, and I encourage you to do so. However, joining your pool is voluntary. Unless there is a protocol change, my proposal will still work.
Interesting approach, but there are some issues with this. Since the supply of satoshis is limited, this means that penny stocks aren't practical, since the coins that record their ownership will become worth more than the stocks themselves. Etc, etc.
When people trade "penny stocks", they will also consider the face value of the colored coin. For example, if someones wants to buy 1 colored BTC with 0.1 BTC, he has to pay 1.1 BTC to the seller. If 1 satoshi stock worths less than 1 satoshi, it either means the stock is worthless (people may trade in bigger unit, e.g. 10000 satoshi), or 1 satoshi worths too much (we need a hard fork to add more zero after decimal place)
lol then all of a sudden precision increases by one!
Another one claiming for "tainted Satoshis".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
We need urgently a coin melting mining pool in order to get protected for this kind of "visionaries".
Old ideas -- Search for "colored coins" and "smart property".
Interesting approach, but there are some issues with this. Since the supply of satoshis is limited, this means that penny stocks aren't practical, since the coins that record their ownership will become worth more than the stocks themselves. Etc, etc.
Although bitcoin is designed as fungible, it is possible to assign an unique serial number to each atomic unit (aka satoshi). With this serial number, a satoshi may represent more than its face value (e.g. colored bitcoin, smart property, securities).
Serial number has two parts: the integer part is the block number where the satoshi is generated, and the fractional part represents each unique satoshi. Taking the generation at block 110000 as example:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/4e10436ca8206a2dd760dd351210a5120a3824d4eb53011be0a7b9a33b368208
There were 50BTC, or 5000000000 satoshi generated. Therefore, the serial number of these satoshi are #110000.0000000001 to #110000.5000000000. Tailing zeros are reserved.
Here we define RULE OF INHERITANCE: In a transaction, the input sequence atomized to satoshi, with each satoshi has its unique serial number. The satoshi sequence is mirrored to the output, based on the output sequence. If transaction fee is paid (i.e. input > output), the fee is considered as the last output. In case of coinbase transaction, transaction fee is sorted after standard block reward, according to the transaction order in the block.
Using the previous example, the 50BTC is completely transferred to another address:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/3abed8a3aa728e881a9ef85062fe11b79b490c885295c3c55fc6a534199a5dc5#i398943
Therefore, 12WFtKBsRLtV8p1NwRqe7YwYdi1rjwTZhA inherits satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.5000000000.
Next, the 50BTC is split into two outputs: the first one with 5.2BTC and the second one with 44.8BTC:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/2faea2cc59b32f5cc19fd8aee85db3e82bbdccb32c52879fecddc592b172d981#i399136
Therefore, the first output inherits satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.0520000000, and the second output inherits satoshis #110000.0520000001 to #110000.5000000000.
The next one becomes more complicated. The 5.2BTC output in the previous transaction is mixed with other inputs. There were two outputs, with 0.36BTC and 60BTC respectively:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/2ba980e8b17c46e671e8a09bef43815e26ae561facc35f415ef04b11bf4b7545#i405322
Based on the rule of inheritance, the first output will inherit the first 36000000 satoshis in the first input (bfdc71884b80...:0). All the rest will go to the second output. Those satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.0520000000 are embedded somewhere in the middle of the second output. To be precise, they are the #2171000001st to #2691000000th satoshis in the second output. (5.11-0.36+5.49+5.3+1.15+5.02=21.71)
In the following transaction, the 60BTC is mixed with other inputs to make a single output of 954.27BTC
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/03616a5d76508d45a0def171c29b3672714410c49648704eb766f2e74b4ed1fe#i406741
Therefore, the satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.0520000000 become the 81598000001st to 82118000000th satoshis of the output. (1.25+500+19+1+161.82+5.2+106+21.71=815.98)
Here we use another example with transaction fee:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/afe357b19ca0b0c939b414d3dd63d523bb2a518237df51afc7d6f26098967c7d
Transaction fee of 0.00574567 (574567 satoshi) is paid. According to the rule of inheritance, transaction fee is the last output. The last 574567 satoshis of input comes from transaction bcf2b1c4f75c...:0, which is the generation of block 99120. Therefore, the transaction fee is satoshis #99120.4999425434 to #99120.5000000000
The fee is collected by the miner of block 100035:
http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000135cb86be36978e74a54cfd2b9143f827a589c9e27fde3463b753
Since this is the only transaction with fee in this block, those satoshis #99120.4999425434 to #99120.5000000000 are embedded at the end of the coinbase transaction. Therefore, the coinbase transaction has satoshis #100035.0000000001 to #100035.5000000000 and #99120.4999425434 to #99120.5000000000, in the exact order.
With this system, every satoshi has its unique identifier, or “color”. To make a lending contract, for example, the borrower will send a colored satoshi (e.g. #123456.1357924680) to the lender, and the lender will send the loan in the same transaction. The lender may sell the contract to other people with similar mechanism, and the borrower will repay to the address with the colored satoshi.
We can also have decentralized security market with the system. Each satoshi sent from the issuer’s address is equal to one share. Although the serial numbers of these satoshis may not be continuous, it is still traceable. The issuer will pay dividend to the addresses with colored satoshis, and the shareholders will vote using the address private keys.
Please note that this proposal has nothing to do with criminals/scammers tracing.
Serial number has two parts: the integer part is the block number where the satoshi is generated, and the fractional part represents each unique satoshi. Taking the generation at block 110000 as example:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/4e10436ca8206a2dd760dd351210a5120a3824d4eb53011be0a7b9a33b368208
There were 50BTC, or 5000000000 satoshi generated. Therefore, the serial number of these satoshi are #110000.0000000001 to #110000.5000000000. Tailing zeros are reserved.
Here we define RULE OF INHERITANCE: In a transaction, the input sequence atomized to satoshi, with each satoshi has its unique serial number. The satoshi sequence is mirrored to the output, based on the output sequence. If transaction fee is paid (i.e. input > output), the fee is considered as the last output. In case of coinbase transaction, transaction fee is sorted after standard block reward, according to the transaction order in the block.
Using the previous example, the 50BTC is completely transferred to another address:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/3abed8a3aa728e881a9ef85062fe11b79b490c885295c3c55fc6a534199a5dc5#i398943
Therefore, 12WFtKBsRLtV8p1NwRqe7YwYdi1rjwTZhA inherits satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.5000000000.
Next, the 50BTC is split into two outputs: the first one with 5.2BTC and the second one with 44.8BTC:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/2faea2cc59b32f5cc19fd8aee85db3e82bbdccb32c52879fecddc592b172d981#i399136
Therefore, the first output inherits satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.0520000000, and the second output inherits satoshis #110000.0520000001 to #110000.5000000000.
The next one becomes more complicated. The 5.2BTC output in the previous transaction is mixed with other inputs. There were two outputs, with 0.36BTC and 60BTC respectively:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/2ba980e8b17c46e671e8a09bef43815e26ae561facc35f415ef04b11bf4b7545#i405322
Based on the rule of inheritance, the first output will inherit the first 36000000 satoshis in the first input (bfdc71884b80...:0). All the rest will go to the second output. Those satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.0520000000 are embedded somewhere in the middle of the second output. To be precise, they are the #2171000001st to #2691000000th satoshis in the second output. (5.11-0.36+5.49+5.3+1.15+5.02=21.71)
In the following transaction, the 60BTC is mixed with other inputs to make a single output of 954.27BTC
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/03616a5d76508d45a0def171c29b3672714410c49648704eb766f2e74b4ed1fe#i406741
Therefore, the satoshis #110000.0000000001 to #110000.0520000000 become the 81598000001st to 82118000000th satoshis of the output. (1.25+500+19+1+161.82+5.2+106+21.71=815.98)
Here we use another example with transaction fee:
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/afe357b19ca0b0c939b414d3dd63d523bb2a518237df51afc7d6f26098967c7d
Transaction fee of 0.00574567 (574567 satoshi) is paid. According to the rule of inheritance, transaction fee is the last output. The last 574567 satoshis of input comes from transaction bcf2b1c4f75c...:0, which is the generation of block 99120. Therefore, the transaction fee is satoshis #99120.4999425434 to #99120.5000000000
The fee is collected by the miner of block 100035:
http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000000000135cb86be36978e74a54cfd2b9143f827a589c9e27fde3463b753
Since this is the only transaction with fee in this block, those satoshis #99120.4999425434 to #99120.5000000000 are embedded at the end of the coinbase transaction. Therefore, the coinbase transaction has satoshis #100035.0000000001 to #100035.5000000000 and #99120.4999425434 to #99120.5000000000, in the exact order.
With this system, every satoshi has its unique identifier, or “color”. To make a lending contract, for example, the borrower will send a colored satoshi (e.g. #123456.1357924680) to the lender, and the lender will send the loan in the same transaction. The lender may sell the contract to other people with similar mechanism, and the borrower will repay to the address with the colored satoshi.
We can also have decentralized security market with the system. Each satoshi sent from the issuer’s address is equal to one share. Although the serial numbers of these satoshis may not be continuous, it is still traceable. The issuer will pay dividend to the addresses with colored satoshis, and the shareholders will vote using the address private keys.
Please note that this proposal has nothing to do with criminals/scammers tracing.
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