Topic: Unmerit rule? - page 2. (Read 519 times)
the merit system is a scam trying to keep the guys up on the ivory tower. don't try to reason with them or suggest alternatives. they will always find a way to tell you that what you're proposing has certain downsides. Except for the perfect merit system they came up with. What a joke!
Could and unmerit rule change anything? It could help even the higher ranks to stay more awake and want to mantain/earn more merits like the new users.
For example: If you don't earn one merit (or another form of reward) in a certain time, you lose one. One idea could be that you should earn a certain number of merits per month to maintain the others for example.
where there will be constant threads of cases from forum users demeriting eachother because of little disagreement or dislike. I am glad Theymos disabled that option.It will be very surprising that people will use the demerit button more than the merit button because its somehow in people's nature to act in certain ways in getting back at people they don't like. And I agree, there are posts which are not getting the merits they deserve but what can one do; the world entirely is an unfair place. Everyone can't be pleased.
Why people trying to make the already complicated system even more difficult? People struggling to get merits, it will take the average Joe couple years to reach from Member to Full Member. Then he has right to rest then, he already made enough contribution, don't you think? And ones who are Legendary by now, they contributed well to make this forum a great place. For me, I want to get Full member status and will be quite satisfied with it. But with so many dudes trying to be smart and obviously hoping to get merits for their smartness, my dream could never be fulfilled.
I think it can happen if you fix your grammar and learn to articulate your posts better.
If you can't, then post in the local board and be active there in your own language. You can then apply to be a merit source for your local board if you show that you're a true leader there and one who likes to contribute and help with your fellow same-language speakers.
The merit system is not here to reward people who are smart. The merit system is here to weed out spammers from people who are truly trying to be a good part of this community.
If you post a lot in your local language board, and you can show proof to Theymos that you're trying to be a valuable member of bitcointalk, then he will grant you a merit source.
My ideas for getting you started there:
1. When you find valuable BTC/altcoin news that you think your fellow countrymen should know, then just translate the news IN YOUR OWN WORDS and create a thread to let them know.
2. Look for people asking for help in your local board. Try your best to help them with your knowledge of crypto.
3. Get people involved. Start contests and fun threads in your own language to get everyone to be happy to be here. Like: "Post a fun fact about bitcoin!" And have people post what they know about bitcoin. The person who posts the most meaningful facts get a merit (i know you have extra merits
).The point is to be a valuable leader of your local board
.Or.
You can really just improve your English and post better... Then the merits will flow <3
Why people trying to make the already complicated system even more difficult? People struggling to get merits, it will take the average Joe couple years to reach from Member to Full Member. Then he has right to rest then, he already made enough contribution, don't you think? And ones who are Legendary by now, they contributed well to make this forum a great place. For me, I want to get Full member status and will be quite satisfied with it. But with so many dudes trying to be smart and obviously hoping to get merits for their smartness, my dream could never be fulfilled.
The Merit system is barely 4 months old. You have to let things settle before you state this and that.
I see that you have 0 merits but a lot of activity -- this could be one reason why you're against the merit system, I'm not sure.
I like the merit system. It heightens the standards for everyone. Yes it's a little Nazi, but that's fine. I you're honestly interested in ranking up, just like in an MMO, you have to exp harder.
You can't just reach level 99 unless you spend an endless amount of time killing the same monsters in the same area for like 90 hours.
I'm pretty sure you'd feel salty about spending 90 hours to get to a higher rank on bitcointalk? Why? If you would do it for a videogame, why not for bitcointalk?
The merit system is here to give a home to people who generally and truthfully want to be part of a community that supports bitcoin and crypto.
The members with merits from the old system understand that now. In the beginning they were throwing around merits like it was candy. Now they're being more careful because they understand the system more and how it can be abused.
Slowly but surely the people who are earnestly trying their best to be a meaningful member of BTT are earning merits. So you might make 30 posts this week and get 0 merits, but then next week you could make 30 posts again and get 1 merit. As long as you're not spamming, and as long as you're enjoying the conversation, having fun, and giving some insights -- rather than just posting something to post something... people will see that and they will merit you.
this is the atmosphere of bitcointalk right now. You'll rank up if you deserve to rank up.
The catch 22 is:
If you really are here to be a part of bitcointalk, then why do you care about ranking up? As soon as you voice your disdain or frustration about ranking up, that's when people realize that you're not really here to be on the forum. You're just here for the bounties XD.
The truth is, Theymos really put a lot of thought into this system. You don't need to be anything above Jr. to be a part of this forum -- and that's why Jr. Member requires no merits. As soon as you're Jr., you can post without any real time limit, and use the search function. You can even participate in trades somewhat, and build a reputation there.
The only thing you can't do is hang out at the Ivory tower... but that's fine. The Ivory Tower should really be for people who are experienced and have hung out here long enough to be able to share a meaningful opinion. So I agree with only higher ranked members being able to post there.
But yeah, ranks are honestly just for show after Jr. Member. If you want to rank up past Jr. Member, I'd like to ask why? What is your motivation for doing so? Why do you feel so frustrated about it? If you can't say "it's not money," then other members will see that too.
I see that you have 0 merits but a lot of activity -- this could be one reason why you're against the merit system, I'm not sure.
I like the merit system. It heightens the standards for everyone. Yes it's a little Nazi, but that's fine. I you're honestly interested in ranking up, just like in an MMO, you have to exp harder.
You can't just reach level 99 unless you spend an endless amount of time killing the same monsters in the same area for like 90 hours.
I'm pretty sure you'd feel salty about spending 90 hours to get to a higher rank on bitcointalk? Why? If you would do it for a videogame, why not for bitcointalk?
The merit system is here to give a home to people who generally and truthfully want to be part of a community that supports bitcoin and crypto.
The members with merits from the old system understand that now. In the beginning they were throwing around merits like it was candy. Now they're being more careful because they understand the system more and how it can be abused.
Slowly but surely the people who are earnestly trying their best to be a meaningful member of BTT are earning merits. So you might make 30 posts this week and get 0 merits, but then next week you could make 30 posts again and get 1 merit. As long as you're not spamming, and as long as you're enjoying the conversation, having fun, and giving some insights -- rather than just posting something to post something... people will see that and they will merit you.
this is the atmosphere of bitcointalk right now. You'll rank up if you deserve to rank up.
The catch 22 is:
If you really are here to be a part of bitcointalk, then why do you care about ranking up? As soon as you voice your disdain or frustration about ranking up, that's when people realize that you're not really here to be on the forum. You're just here for the bounties XD.
The truth is, Theymos really put a lot of thought into this system. You don't need to be anything above Jr. to be a part of this forum -- and that's why Jr. Member requires no merits. As soon as you're Jr., you can post without any real time limit, and use the search function. You can even participate in trades somewhat, and build a reputation there.
The only thing you can't do is hang out at the Ivory tower... but that's fine. The Ivory Tower should really be for people who are experienced and have hung out here long enough to be able to share a meaningful opinion. So I agree with only higher ranked members being able to post there.
But yeah, ranks are honestly just for show after Jr. Member. If you want to rank up past Jr. Member, I'd like to ask why? What is your motivation for doing so? Why do you feel so frustrated about it? If you can't say "it's not money," then other members will see that too.
If this Merit System doesn't work in your own opinion that doesn't mean it's not really working. I respect your opinion but I can't really stop thinking that you are just jealous because you missed the opportunity of ranking up while it's due.
Many people on this forum are ranting about the flaws of the Merit System, guess what, most of them are low ranking people and shitposters.
It's a fact, I don't want to offend you either.
Many people on this forum are ranting about the flaws of the Merit System, guess what, most of them are low ranking people and shitposters.
It's a fact, I don't want to offend you either.
Hi everybody,
I can now see a lot of people with high ranks. A lot of them sometimes seem like they are not willing or ready to provide this potentially huge help to the community, and furthermore, they often aren't even giving very interesting replies.
Lets just accept the fact that they are so lucky being here a long time ago without merit system, the fact that they Invest Time here in forum for a long time they already deserve the rank.I can now see a lot of people with high ranks. A lot of them sometimes seem like they are not willing or ready to provide this potentially huge help to the community, and furthermore, they often aren't even giving very interesting replies.
Could and unmerit rule change anything? It could help even the higher ranks to stay more awake and want to mantain/earn more merits like the new users.
For example: If you don't earn one merit (or another form of reward) in a certain time, you lose one. One idea could be that you should earn a certain number of merits per month to maintain the others for example.
As I said they already deserve their ranks except to those farmers, we dont need another system anymore such as Un-merit and De-ranking this is useless. For example: If you don't earn one merit (or another form of reward) in a certain time, you lose one. One idea could be that you should earn a certain number of merits per month to maintain the others for example.
This is a great idea but could and will be abused for sure. Awarding merits could be abused too but not to such an extent as demerit system. Awarding can't hurt your account. Now will be just a lot harder to rank up. Demerit system can damage your account and a lot of people will use it against others. There are people with hundreds of alts such a tool will give them a lot of power. No, I don't see a possibility to introduce demerit system.
Merit system should be reconsidered again. From what I see only a few people ranked to full member and I don't know anyone ranked to senior member from the time of introducing merits. I got only 7 merits in this few months despite answering questions, help others, writing quality posts, etc. Many times my posts are quoted and people are asking me questions or we are discussing in a bigger circle but still, I don't get any merits and I don't see people tipping other users either. Only in few threads about merits, there is more tipping but this is because of merit sources and their engagement in this topics to introduce the system.
Sooner was clear that after so many time and posts you got such a rank. Today you can be a jr member even after few years and thousands of posts if unlucky or without friends on the forum.
I think there should be a place where after some time we can add our posts for quality check and merits award if there are no merits received.
Merit system should be reconsidered again. From what I see only a few people ranked to full member and I don't know anyone ranked to senior member from the time of introducing merits. I got only 7 merits in this few months despite answering questions, help others, writing quality posts, etc. Many times my posts are quoted and people are asking me questions or we are discussing in a bigger circle but still, I don't get any merits and I don't see people tipping other users either. Only in few threads about merits, there is more tipping but this is because of merit sources and their engagement in this topics to introduce the system.
Sooner was clear that after so many time and posts you got such a rank. Today you can be a jr member even after few years and thousands of posts if unlucky or without friends on the forum.
I think there should be a place where after some time we can add our posts for quality check and merits award if there are no merits received.
A demerit or what ever you want to call it could very easily be abused. I'm hoping that this system currently in place once the merit sources have been added will be enough and those who do post quality content will be rewarded. Of course there's going to be a few people who aren't going to get rewarded right now just because there aren't enough merit sources currently. Although, theymos has stated that they will likely be hundreds of them once suitable people are found.
But, I'm against the demerit option for now. I feel it could very easily be abused even if it was limited by certain factors. If it was implemented it would probably need to be restricted to merit sources only to avoid abuse. Certain members would be targeted heavily otherwise. At least right now people can either get rewarded for their post or nothing happens at all. But, if someone disagrees with someone even though their point is valid then they may feel the need to demerit that person when that doesn't really achieve anything and likely will revolve into popularity contests.
Yes there's people at high ranks right now that don't post anything worthwhile but, that doesn't mean they should be punished by losing their rank. Sooner rather than later they will be easily noticeable by their lack of merit points anyway.
But, I'm against the demerit option for now. I feel it could very easily be abused even if it was limited by certain factors. If it was implemented it would probably need to be restricted to merit sources only to avoid abuse. Certain members would be targeted heavily otherwise. At least right now people can either get rewarded for their post or nothing happens at all. But, if someone disagrees with someone even though their point is valid then they may feel the need to demerit that person when that doesn't really achieve anything and likely will revolve into popularity contests.
Yes there's people at high ranks right now that don't post anything worthwhile but, that doesn't mean they should be punished by losing their rank. Sooner rather than later they will be easily noticeable by their lack of merit points anyway.
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