Topic: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Hardfork block 1042000 - Merge Mine w/BTC! - page 453. (Read 1047042 times)

How happy do you think china is that United states is naked selling gold, driving the price down.  China's coming off Chinese  new year(or whatever)  Part-time job creation isnt a recovery, most people arent even looking for job because there is no jobs.  Go to the store and try to find things made in canada or US.  They are hard to find, most things are made in china.  Free trade and nafta are killing us.  Canada's manufaction in Ontario is dying.  People are moving from the East to the West looking for jobs, yet our government keeps bringing in immigrants.  What about the millions obama has let in to the states?  Where are they going to work?  What about all the things hes promised them, who will pay for it.  Obamacare, whos going to pay for that.  What about the rich leaving the states?

Now you are assuming that the public debt is similar to the private debt.
USA do not need ever to repay their debt (why should they - after all it is just a figure on the graph).
In a private household on the other hand, debt is something that you need to repay at some reasonable schedule.

I am not too worried about the debt, I am more worried if this GDP growth continue this good for next few years so that the average Joes are able to see the difference, too.  
I have no reason to believe it will not continue like this.

bs, In 2008, I was working full time, making more money!  They did the same thing in the 1920-30, they thought they could spend their way out of it.  Everyone is printing fiat like its going out of style, currency wars.  Hyperinflation is coming, wait till china starts dumping.  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/russia-dumps-most-us-paper-ever-china-reduces-treasurys-holdings-january-2013-levels  
All the money their printing is going straight in the markets, its not a real recovery!

the biggest sign that the us economy is in massive trouble

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Oil price has dropped significiantly but this should be good for US economy.
Not for the producers of oil but for the consumers of oil, their purchasing power is increasing which will stimulate the consumption (US is still consumption driven economy).
Things are in many ways better now than in 2007-2008. Those years were time before the collapse, now we are living in the time after the collapse.
Sure the average Joe cannot notice the growth immediately (just like the Quantitative easining needs some time to stimulate the real economy) but if we get a few years (1-3 yrs) in a row this growth rate you will notice also the difference.
I am personally glad for Americans that Ben Bernanke started the QE in an aggressive way, thanks to it we now see the growth aftetr some time they did the QEs.
ECB had on the other the completely different approach, they were scared to death of small increase in inflation and thanks to this fear we are still living in bad economy. Just now the ECB is waking up as they see those statistics from USA and now they started QEs here also.. It takes some time that this new money enters to the real economy so we need to waite here in Europe while USA is enjoying normal growth rates.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/ex-plunge-protection-team-whistleblower-governments-control-markets-there-no-price-d

If some economies were actually recovering the fed would be raising interest rates.  With the falling oil price, things will get much worse.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/us-governments-new-rule-allows-banks-to-completely-make-sht-up/


http://www.silverdoctors.com/meet-the-bureaucrat-who-had-the-courage-to-tell-the-truth-and-probably-wont-have-a-job-tomorrow/

http://www.blacklistednews.com/DOJ_Investigating_Bank_Gold_Manipulation/42130/0/38/38/Y/M.html

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Bail-Ins_have_begun%3A__J.P._Morgan_to_Start_Charging_On_Some_Deposits/42126/0/38/38/Y/M.html
srry cant see entire article

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/azerbaijan-devalues-currency-third-over-falling-oil-price-312339


...and on a side note.  I work in the oil industry here in Canada.  Ive worked a total of 10 days this month.  Lots of people have been laid-off up here.  Over the last 5 years there has been a massive boom up here, people building huge homes($300 000-$500 000)  Most people live for cheque to cheque and live the high life.  In 6 months, things are going to be different.  If you want to believe the bs that the government and msm is telling you, go ahead.  Remember, in 2008, nobody seen that coming

The whole system is lying to us.  If I am wrong, someone please correct me.  Here is an example of the MASSIVE corruption.  There are roughly 33 million people living in Canada.  Say 5 million people are working full time(im sure this number is higher, but lets be conservative.)  I dont make much money, but I do pay about 10 000/year to income tax(again being conservative, I pay much more) but for this example, lets use 5000 and lets assume the 5 million are paying the same.  5 000 000 x 5 000 =$ 25 000 000 000.  My government is in debt!??  Now, lets talk about other taxes, PST-provincial tax, GST-good and service tax, customs tax, fuel tax, fk everything is basically taxed.  Somebody please tell me where all this money is going??  

Actually some economies has already started to recover (USA especially).
Stock markets for speculators might be bad places to invest now but if you are looking for dividend income for the rest of your life, there are some good stocks to buy.
Advantage of a dividend paying stock over land for instance is that once you have purchased a stock you just enjoy the dividend income for the rest of your life pretty much while land you need to cultivate or rent for some other people (read: more hassle).
A dividend paying stock portfolio is kind of "extra salary" for you. I know it sounds much much more boring than exciting crypto world or 3d printers etc but it is all about how one can become financially free at some point of a life once your dividend paying stock portfolio is paying enough of dividends.

My original idea was to build a small dividend income which will be led to Unobtanium "for ever at any given price" thus enabling at some point very high price for 1 UNO.

  You're living under a rock my friend.

Actually some economies has already started to recover (USA especially).

Goodness, cragv. No need to apologise. I'd like to discuss the issue at length, actually.

And True Cryptonaire: 'If the trust issues can be done somehow without governement, so by all means let's do it.' Gotta be, I think. You would really really enjoy a BBC documentary titled 'The Trap,' which examines the relationship between game theory and world politics and classical social-democratist and neo-liberal politics.

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We're on the verge of a massively unprecedented economic collapse, why the hell would anybody think this is a good time to invest in the stock market? I'm only interested in land, food, water purification, 3d printers, and cryptos. Everything else is an illusion.

If the trust issues can be done somehow without governement, so by all means let's do it.

I'm sick and tired of people with the delusion that government (gubernare 'to control' mente 'mind') is there to 'save' them or 'help' them.  Government is there only to suppress and control people on behalf of the psychopathic elite.  Certain 'isms propagate something called the 'savior myth', which leaves the victim helpless by commandeering their minds, their attention (consciousness=soul).

We can only save ourselves, and cryptos are one of many solutions.

Are you actually calling for 'regulation'?!  I don't think you understand the purpose of decentralized solutions, which are assymetric warfare against the scourge that government and their master central banks are.  Cryptocurrencies are primarily a decentralized solution, basically.  Some of your 'regulation' may be hardcoded into these trustless systems.

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...And it isn't about the individuals in the governing agencies, as they have almost no leeway to make decisions, having hard-coded solutions for just about everything, similar to mindless robots.  They must do as they are instructed from their centrally-organized pyramidal organization, or they suffer severe consequences.  Same for organized crime, which is generally another arm of the elite.  Same for the militaries and paramilitaries.  Same for those who propagate the 'savior myth' in the minds of the sheep.  Notice a pattern in the architecture of your world?

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We are surrounded by resources, but we are not allowed to use them, to grow, to create with them, and many people are too drugged out these days to realize their dreams if they had the chance to access these resources!  Motivation and creativity are culled effectively.  Nobody seeks self-sufficiency, and misinterprets the term to believe it has something to do with their fiat slave money.

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NOTE:  Obviously, I don't speak for the Unobtanium community, and this opinion is only my own.