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My current position is that even if one finds a government who could and would 'do right' for the people in a situation like this, there is no reason to believe that it would persist in this disposition and much history and logic to indicate it would not.  It's a tough pill for a former 'socialist' like moi.  I flip-flopped...but I understand how people could hold what I currently consider to be wrong-headed views.

My principles have certainly evolved. I used to think the Libertarian Party was the answer. Then I thought maybe the US had a chance with Ron Paul. Then I realized how big of idiots American voters are and how putting any effort into trying to save them from themselves was a waste of time.

Most people still don't get it.

Curiously, I think that single payer could work best, but only if the government was stronger than those taking the payouts under the system. 

In the USA the opposite is true, leading to an inescapable conclusion that single payer would allow the worst corruption and bilking of the public.

That more or less matches my own dispositions in those timeframes.  I remember casting a vote for Obama but only because even back then I was very strongly #NeverHillary and knew nothing about Obama himself.  I probably did or would have cast a vote for Obama in the general because the alternative was Crazy Johnny (later known as 'Jihad Johnny'.)

I may have given up on the potential for single-payer to work by that time, but I did support it at one point because it provides the best leverage on a theoretical basis among other more broad benefits.  At the time I did not recognize that the health care system was being broken on purpose for nefarious reasons and by those who wanted universal care to further ratchet up their game.  By the time Obamacare rolled around I favored a public option specifically to help the right people have leverage in 'making the deals'.  States may not be the best allies of 'the people', but they don't print their own money so they have at least some reason to try to control costs.

I believe in 'higher taxes' for groups who have used their influence to insert loopholes into the tax codes and who leverage these loopholes.  Always have, and I believe that if Trump is at his core a decent person then he probably would and did as well.

I don't have anything against people who 'flip-flop'.  I do it myself.  I do have something against those who will not flip-flop even when new information comes in.  They either are not exposing themselves to it or are to fossilized (or bought off) to take it in.  Generally I find this inflexibility to be the biggest problem with the hard-core Libertarian types.

Was it his support of Democrats up until 2008 and his vote for Obama that got you to like him? Or his conservative rhetoric up until he was the defacto Republican nominee? Or is it his higher taxes, single payer health care talk after he was chosen?

I like Trump

Exactly! That is the point of it all!
Trump is an "organic" true crazy man: it seems he's not acting at all, he's like that, naturally, organically.
While the other one, as you pointed out, is simply and truly fake.

Once I saw a documentary http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/the-prime-minister-and-the-press/introduction/?p=913 about Berlusconi, former Italian Prime Minister.
It seems that people voted for him because they "liked" him.

No.

BOTH conventions will be contested, IMO.

Get some popcorn.

Prepare for riots.

Looks like his wall failed from ED!!!!

Electoral Dysfunction.

 

... And beautiful.

It may be a long road ahead to the final days, but the walk will be interesting.

Perhaps good for the U.S., but not necessarily good for the American people.   

We agree TRUMP will be good, both for the US and europe...

 

Well after seeing what you asked for your help, it's clearly not genuine help. And we shouldn't have accepted it xD

Or crying for help every time you kill each other in europe...

Of course! We don't have the habits of involving ourselves in each and every war around the world ^^

All I know is no one cares about your election...

 

Well it's maybe coming but when? Your elections are so fuck ingredients long!!!! They take around a year no?

It is coming... Meanwhile have a coffee and a makrout el louz while waiting...