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sr. member
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December 28, 2011, 10:04:39 AM
#23
...Sunrise ... measured ... edge ... above ... the horizon, not the center of the sun, so day and night are not equal on the equator year round.

... sun rises slightly to the north south of the tropic of cancer when the northern hemisphere is in summer...

... equator is experiencing a summer winter solstice. In fact every where north of 23° N S is experiencing sidereal diurnal winter...

I'm not quite accustomed to the terminology, but using the term "summer solstice" at the equator is not very reasonable for the winter solstice of the northern hemisphere. ... I don't see how defining "summer" and "winter" would have a lot of meaning ... instead of rain periods etc.

Oh absolutely. I'm not defining summer and winter solstices from a meteorological perspective, only from a solar/astronomical perspective -- where the sun rises each morning. The equator has nothing to do with it. I am claiming that it is winter now everywhere north of the tropic of capricorn (23°26′S) where I believe the sun rises South of East each morning (or not at all in the Arctic). In six months it will be the opposite but from south of the tropic of cancer (23°26′N). And this perfectly demonstrates your point. The solstices are of little practical use within the 47 some degrees of the tropics where half of the Earth's population lives.

Note: I mixed up my tropics earlier. Maybe I'll draw a little picture.
legendary
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December 28, 2011, 09:08:23 AM
#22
Interesting question, FreeMoney. Sunrise and sunset are measured from the penetration of the edge of the sun above and below the horizon, not the center of the sun, so day and night are not equal on the equator year round.

Also, according to my pen on napkin sketches, the sun rises slightly to the north south of the tropic of cancer when the northern hemisphere is in summer, and the sun rises slightly to the south north of the tropic of capricorn during northern winter.

So, my guess is that the equator is experiencing a summer solstice. In fact every where south of 23° N is experiencing sidereal diurnal winter. This leads me to some tropical paradoxes however. Please attack my logic. I've run out of space on my napkin. Smiley

Rest assured, it is in fact winter in Greenland, with 3 meters of snow and no direct sunlight for the past nine days.

I'm not quite accustomed to the terminology, but using the term "summer solstice" at the equator is not very reasonable for the winter solstice of the northern hemisphere. That just assumes the northern view more important, and raises the question where to place the border between the two approaches.

The equator has a six-month cycle in terms of solar power, just the direction (North vs South) is different every half year. I don't see how defining "summer" and "winter" would have a lot of meaning to the people there. From what I can remember, many just assume northern hemisphere terminology though, since that's what the majority of tourists uses -- and those are the people who like thinking in "summer and winter" year cycles instead of rain periods etc.

PS: yay highjacking of threads. Tongue
sr. member
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December 28, 2011, 08:26:21 AM
#21
Merry Christmas everyone!

just gave a combination of USD, a gold coin, and a physical Bitcoin to my 3 kids.

my 16 yo commented, "this is the perfect hedge!"
Smart kid!   Smiley
legendary
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December 27, 2011, 05:49:51 AM
#20
As soon as US Banks open tomorrow, you'll see BTC at $5

That's funny.
legendary
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December 27, 2011, 02:33:11 AM
#19
As soon as US Banks open tomorrow, you'll see BTC at $5

I hope you're right... Then I'll win 2btc Smiley.
legendary
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December 27, 2011, 12:44:54 AM
#18
$100 by Christma... oh wait.

maybe next xmas? Smiley oh wait, I think that's supposed to be $1,000!
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You're fat, because you dont have any pics on FB
December 26, 2011, 11:57:34 PM
#17
As soon as US Banks open tomorrow, you'll see BTC at $5

I've been hoping and thinking about this too... we shall see! Smiley
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December 26, 2011, 11:33:16 PM
#16
As soon as US Banks open tomorrow, you'll see BTC at $5
sr. member
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December 26, 2011, 10:55:06 PM
#15
Interesting question, FreeMoney. Sunrise and sunset are measured from the penetration of the edge of the sun above and below the horizon, not the center of the sun, so day and night are not equal on the equator year round.

Also, according to my pen on napkin sketches, the sun rises slightly to the north south of the tropic of cancer when the northern hemisphere is in summer, and the sun rises slightly to the south north of the tropic of capricorn during northern winter.

So, my guess is that the equator is experiencing a summer solstice. In fact every where south of 23° N is experiencing sidereal diurnal winter. This leads me to some tropical paradoxes however. Please attack my logic. I've run out of space on my napkin. Smiley

Rest assured, it is in fact winter in Greenland, with 3 meters of snow and no direct sunlight for the past nine days.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
December 26, 2011, 05:06:06 PM
#14
Merry winter solstice!

Enjoyable solstice everyone! (Summer solstice in Southern hemisphere.)

Which solstice is it at the equator?
legendary
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I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project.
December 26, 2011, 02:42:15 AM
#13
Merry winter solstice!

Enjoyable solstice everyone! (Summer solstice in Southern hemisphere.)
sr. member
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December 25, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
#12
Merry Christmas everyone!

just gave a combination of USD, a gold coin, and a physical Bitcoin to my 3 kids.

my 16 yo commented, "this is the perfect hedge!"

looks like you've been teaching him well  Grin Some things you just don't learn in school.
legendary
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Legen -wait for it- dary
December 25, 2011, 12:13:00 PM
#11
Merry Christmas everyone!

just gave a combination of USD, a gold coin, and a physical Bitcoin to my 3 kids.

my 16 yo commented, "this is the perfect hedge!"
Smart kid!   Smiley
legendary
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December 25, 2011, 11:59:02 AM
#10
Merry Christmas everyone!

just gave a combination of USD, a gold coin, and a physical Bitcoin to my 3 kids.

my 16 yo commented, "this is the perfect hedge!"
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Your Minion
December 25, 2011, 11:44:43 AM
#9
Merry winter solstice!
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December 25, 2011, 11:25:37 AM
#8
$100 by Christma... oh wait.
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December 25, 2011, 11:03:02 AM
#7
Will it touch $5.00 today?
legendary
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December 25, 2011, 09:32:26 AM
#6
Merry Christmas everybody!  I wonder what the new year will bring for bitcoin???  Woot!

All time highs! Over 100!!! Merry Christmas! Woot!
legendary
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December 25, 2011, 09:31:34 AM
#5
Merry Christmas!
legendary
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December 25, 2011, 08:54:18 AM
#4
Merry Christmas ppl  Cheesy
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