UPDATE! 2 connected accounts (1 of them found plagiarism).

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 02, 2018, 10:28:25 AM

Quote from: jerick06 on September 02, 2018, 06:09:36 AM

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I think^* it's plagiarism. If it's something you can't get away with in university, you shouldn't get away with it on this forum.
Showing sources serves two purposes: giving credit, and making statements verifiable. What he did in that thread is just opy/pasting text from different sources together into an incoherent post.
Each citation should have it's individual source link, and it shouldn't be literally copied. I don't think this text would require 9 different sources if it wouldn't be copy/pasted together.
I'm pretty sure it's only meant to earn Merit.

^*Since this is a debated case, and open to interpretation, I won't report it as plagiarism.

There are some parts of the discussion that can be accused as plagiarism even stating the source/credits of the original content. I beg to disagree in this kind of act, knowing that someone took credit for other's work. If this kind of activity didn't paid attention to, then it will spread across the entire platform.

When worse come to worst, some accounts would abuse it and can't be tolerated. As far as I can remember, when attending actual forums, discussions should be stated by their own perspective and opinions. If you're using others content, make it sure that you're using it as a basis of your own topic or for elaborating some critical analysis. Wink

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Quote from: cheater detector on September 03, 2018, 06:31:31 AM

So, it seems you have convince Loyce , now you only need to convince other DT member/High trusted user and i will remove your name from my accusation.

Note that I'm not saying they aren't alts. I'm saying there isn't any reasonable evidence. To prove it, you'll need to show an address that was posted by an alt account before it was used by the main account.
You can probably find thousands of Newbies and Jr. Members that just copy/paste other bounty entries for Activity.

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Anyway, i've put the message on my signature,

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Convince at least 2 DT members/ 2 high trusted user (Trust score > 50) if you aren't alt. Then, i will gladly remove your name from my accusation.

So what your saying is they are guilty until proven otherwise. This should be the other way around: accusations shouldn't be based on assumptions, but on facts.

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Quote from: cheater detector on September 03, 2018, 05:40:43 PM

Now @adiebitsler, i will remove you from my accusation. You can try to pm @The Pharmacist to remove/change the negative rating but it's back to TP's decision, they will remove/change it or not

I will lock this thread 24 hours from now since there is nothing to disscuss again.

I have done PM to The pharmacist, I don't know whether to reply or not.

thank you for the discussion, if this doesn't eliminate the negative maybe I don't blame you.

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Quote from: bill gator on September 03, 2018, 10:09:03 AM

I am in the same boat as Loyce, without further evidence linking the accounts I would have to assume that adiebitsler is in fact an innocent user getting caught up in nonsense. You cannot prove a negative, so there either needs to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt connecting the two identities or we cannot assume they are connected.

Well, you are not DT member nor considered as high trusted user for me, but it seems you are an active poster on here so i will appreciate your opinion to doubt if adiebitsler is connected.

Now @adiebitsler, i will remove you from my accusation. You can try to pm @The Pharmacist to remove/change the negative rating but it's back to TP's decision, they will remove/change it or not

I will lock this thread 24 hours from now since there is nothing to disscuss again.

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I am not going to deliver the judgement but I will like to comment on the methodology. Methodology of connecting account if everybody pasted same address and comment look bad, if other user that are doing are Jr. Member.

If tomorrow 3 Jr.Member started posting your data than I will say ban them and give that account a benefit of doubt as somebody might trying to frame the somebody others account.

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I am in the same boat as Loyce, without further evidence linking the accounts I would have to assume that adiebitsler is in fact an innocent user getting caught up in nonsense. You cannot prove a negative, so there either needs to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt connecting the two identities or we cannot assume they are connected.

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Quote from: cheater detector on September 03, 2018, 06:31:31 AM

Quote from: adiebitsler on September 02, 2018, 11:53:54 PM

it's also clear from CG. that I don't connect with them.

Stop whining and where is the proof CG said you have no connection with them?

Quote from: marlboroza on August 10, 2018, 06:13:06 AM

Players can change their Crypto-game's nick every time they want, and back then it was "normal" to farm accounts in games and rounds, looking at usernames in other gambling sites some of them don't even exist Undecided

Other connections(your last one, joniboini's and cheaterdetector's) are solid, I am not sure about CG connection.

Quote from: Avirunes on August 09, 2018, 10:24:28 AM

Thanks you opened a case for me that I was working on.
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I explained before that I was a victim of copy and paste.
maybe I'm wrong to put in the info on the profile.
I don't feel connected with them and I work alone.

I am also not a beginner now and know the rules, if I am right I will act.
I play according to the rules, but there is a newbie user user taking part of my personal access.
I have proven that I can access all your reports.

what else does the idirben user do that I have never done.
story I never made a project plan, I just played well in supporting the forum. post coment who gives public opinion

Quote from: cheater detector on September 03, 2018, 06:31:31 AM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2018, 11:36:59 PM

I think adiebitsler should get the benefit of the doubt. It's impossible to prove he doesn't own the other accounts, while it's a fact that account farmers or just spam bots copy data from other users.
Anyone can post a Bitcoin address that I own. That doesn't mean they are me though.

I will not beg on who has the conditions, so that they see who is right.
I just see justice in this forum

Thank you for responding to my evidence.

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Quote from: Veleor on September 02, 2018, 01:12:50 PM

Connections with this address: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43776903

Thanks a lot for this. Now, we have found OP's other alts
Full list is, Ekyfitri, bucker steemit, adiebitsler, Idirben, hmarra, and cokroalif are connected

Quote from: adiebitsler on September 02, 2018, 11:53:54 PM

it's also clear from CG. that I don't connect with them.

Stop whining and where is the proof CG said you have no connection with them?

Quote from: Avirunes on August 09, 2018, 10:24:28 AM

Ekyfitri posts his crypto-games.net's username here

Quote from: ?? on ??

username : Banker
thank

(Archive: http://archive.is/fQjZt#selection-4973.11-4973.17)

same username posted by cokroalif and adiebitsler

Quote from: cokroalif on November 25, 2017, 06:02:36 PM

username: Banker
thank you

(Archive: http://archive.fo/992AV#selection-2483.10-2483.16)

Quote from: idirben on May 03, 2018, 04:06:42 AM

joined:

Ethereum adress: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a
Twitter username : @Suryadi_crypto
Telegram username: @adiebitsler

(Archive: http://archive.fo/KDqv6#selection-1351.17-1351.59)

Ekyfitri selling accounts: http://archive.is/UgW2b

So, you want to say, you can create same username with several accounts in CG?Doesn't make sense for me.

Anyway, i've put the message on my signature,

Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2018, 11:36:59 PM

I think adiebitsler should get the benefit of the doubt. It's impossible to prove he doesn't own the other accounts, while it's a fact that account farmers or just spam bots copy data from other users.
Anyone can post a Bitcoin address that I own. That doesn't mean they are me though.

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 02, 2018, 10:28:25 AM

Quote from: jerick06 on September 02, 2018, 06:09:36 AM

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I think^* it's plagiarism. If it's something you can't get away with in university, you shouldn't get away with it on this forum.
Showing sources serves two purposes: giving credit, and making statements verifiable. What he did in that thread is just opy/pasting text from different sources together into an incoherent post.
Each citation should have it's individual source link, and it shouldn't be literally copied. I don't think this text would require 9 different sources if it wouldn't be copy/pasted together.
I'm pretty sure it's only meant to earn Merit.

^*Since this is a debated case, and open to interpretation, I won't report it as plagiarism.

Same thought!! Some users uses this technique to make a quality posts because no one sees this as plagiarism. I hope the mods will take action regarding this kind of posting technique.

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2018, 11:36:59 PM

I think adiebitsler should get the benefit of the doubt. It's impossible to prove he doesn't own the other accounts, while it's a fact that account farmers or just spam bots copy data from other users.
Anyone can post a Bitcoin address that I own. That doesn't mean they are me though.

only limited is the evidence that I have, that I can access all my personal data and not necessarily the people who are identified with me can do it.

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Quote from: Veleor on September 02, 2018, 11:44:50 PM

Quote from: adiebitsler on September 02, 2018, 11:22:21 PM

Are you not clear about that?

It was written as additional information that you already have cheating accounts.

it's also clear from CG. that I don't connect with them.
ok if you think so, I don't know how to have a lot of ways about copy and paste explanation.

if I am guilty it won't be as hard as this to ask for justice.

they all cheated and I was carried away as a victim thank you

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Quote from: adiebitsler on September 02, 2018, 11:22:21 PM

Are you not clear about that?

It was written as additional information that you already have cheating accounts.

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I think adiebitsler should get the benefit of the doubt. It's impossible to prove he doesn't own the other accounts, while it's a fact that account farmers or just spam bots copy data from other users.
Anyone can post a Bitcoin address that I own. That doesn't mean they are me though.

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Quote from: Veleor on September 02, 2018, 11:04:08 PM

Quote from: bill gator on September 02, 2018, 09:33:21 PM

So what you are saying is that the following is your information?

Code:

Ethereum adress: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a
Twitter username : @Suryadi_crypto
Telegram username: @adiebitsler

and that neither Idirben or hmarra is an account you have access to? Is that correct?

I am wondering if there is any evidence of hmarra using this address, or Idirben signing this address. Is there any evidence of Idirben receiving payment to this address? I did a quick search personally and didn't come up with anything. I am also terrible at using forum search, though.
Could it just be more plagiarism or do we have something to suggest more?

ETH address 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a is using by adiebitsler.
and this address also was used by the red tagged Ekyfitri in the iDice Signature Campaign:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z3h2e-euIquZdPPloKDkIUxis_WtzmFvxxKl-rjSZEE/edit#gid=762924063 (#25)

Are you not clear about that?
does he mistake when the Jr.member level uses my address?
I don't know about that

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Quote from: bill gator on September 02, 2018, 09:33:21 PM

So what you are saying is that the following is your information?

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Ethereum adress: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a
Twitter username : @Suryadi_crypto
Telegram username: @adiebitsler

and that neither Idirben or hmarra is an account you have access to? Is that correct?

I am wondering if there is any evidence of hmarra using this address, or Idirben signing this address. Is there any evidence of Idirben receiving payment to this address? I did a quick search personally and didn't come up with anything. I am also terrible at using forum search, though.
Could it just be more plagiarism or do we have something to suggest more?

ETH address 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a is using by adiebitsler.
and this address also was used by the red tagged Ekyfitri in the iDice Signature Campaign:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z3h2e-euIquZdPPloKDkIUxis_WtzmFvxxKl-rjSZEE/edit#gid=762924063 (#25)

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I show proof that I can access social media, telegram, and Mew and I still use it.
once again I don't know them all

Telegram

Twitter

Mew

I am not willing to be identified with an idirben user.
please check again

am I wrong or reporter

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Quote from: bill gator on September 02, 2018, 09:33:21 PM

So what you are saying is that the following is your information?

Code:

Ethereum adress: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a
Twitter username : @Suryadi_crypto
Telegram username: @adiebitsler

and that neither Idirben or hmarra is an account you have access to? Is that correct?

I am wondering if there is any evidence of hmarra using this address, or Idirben signing this address. Is there any evidence of Idirben receiving payment to this address? I did a quick search personally and didn't come up with anything. I am also terrible at using forum search, though.
Could it just be more plagiarism or do we have something to suggest more?

how can I access their account while I don't know anything about them. . . I also read the new forum rules since December last year.
I can prove that it belongs to me personally.
I think there is never a payment they entered at that address, I can confirm.
the one who entered the wallet was the result of my work.

I think I have told you that I never knew Hmarra, let alone payment into my wallet might not exist.
I feel right, therefore I confirm this reputation.

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So what you are saying is that the following is your information?

Code:

Ethereum adress: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a
Twitter username : @Suryadi_crypto
Telegram username: @adiebitsler

and that neither Idirben or hmarra is an account you have access to? Is that correct?

I am wondering if there is any evidence of hmarra using this address, or Idirben signing this address. Is there any evidence of Idirben receiving payment to this address? I did a quick search personally and didn't come up with anything. I am also terrible at using forum search, though.
Could it just be more plagiarism or do we have something to suggest more?

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Quote from: bill gator on September 02, 2018, 09:06:10 PM

If that is the case adiebitsler, then can you help me understand why this person would put your address as the address where they would like to receive payment?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3481499.0;all
https://archive.fo/Zwwm1

Post #5 and #43.

I don't understand what he is aiming for.
Idirben is very newbie, you can see his initial post history, all copy and paste results.
now I am the loser, if I connect with them do you think I'm a very beginner.

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If that is the case adiebitsler, then can you help me understand why this person would put your address as the address where they would like to receive payment?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3481499.0;all
https://archive.fo/Zwwm1

Post #5 and #43.

Quote from: Pinkprint on September 02, 2018, 02:34:17 PM

Why ban all three?

Ban-Evasion is against the rules. If you are banned on an account and continue to use the forum on another account, this is precisely the definition of Ban-Evasion.

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Quote from: cheater detector on September 02, 2018, 05:50:55 AM

Hello there, i've found 3 connected accounts and 1 of them got caught plagiarism. Will their other account get ban as well?

3 Accounts Connected:
adiebitsler, Idirben, hmarra

Proof:

adiebitsler and idirben are connected

Quote from: ?? on ??

#Proof of ownership
USERNAME TELEGRAM: @adiebitsler
ETH ERC20 WALLET: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a

http://archive.is/7Hsey

Quote from: idirben on May 03, 2018, 04:06:42 AM

joined:

Ethereum adress: 0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a
Twitter username : @Suryadi_crypto
Telegram username: @adiebitsler

http://archive.is/KDqv6

dear cheater detector

a newbie named Idirben is someone who imitates my post, and now I am disadvantaged as an old user.

I can prove that I am the original owner of the social media account, as well as my phone's telegram.

check the ip again, I never know what else to connect with both of them,
I also never made tread based on the project plan.

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Quote from: Pinkprint on September 02, 2018, 02:34:17 PM

Why ban all three? Multiple accounts is not exactly against the rules, although it's frowned upon.
Only the account caught should be banned, IMO

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

Although this rule is for after the ban when they create another account. In these case the use already have his alts. Perhaps a call from the community will be interesting.

update:

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...using...

Ok, seems like we have our answer. All three can be banned if one is banned.

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Why ban all three? Multiple accounts is not exactly against the rules, although it's frowned upon.
Only the account caught should be banned, IMO

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If you find an account like this in one wallet, that means they have enriched themselves, this is one example in this forum, I need to remember that I think there are also many who use accounts as a form of fraud.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 02, 2018, 01:27:26 PM

Idirben hasn't been active since July. Has he already been banned?

yes

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on September 02, 2018, 08:52:14 AM

Kindly move your thread on Reputation board from lower left. It's not belongs to Meta.

I think I have seen plagiarism issues on meta section. Never seen any of them in Reputation yet. So, I am hoping it's on the right board.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 02, 2018, 01:27:26 PM

OK, what am I missing here? Where is the source included in this post[/url]? That looks totally plagiarized, since I don't see any citation there.

I do not see any yet. So, to me it also plagiarism.

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OK, what am I missing here? Where is the source included in this post? That looks totally plagiarized, since I don't see any citation there.

Idirben hasn't been active since July. Has he already been banned?

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Quote from: cheater detector on September 02, 2018, 05:50:55 AM

Related Addresses:

Code:

0xf87e1f06097be4f5a426394b8bfd57d022d8e80a

Connections with this address: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43776903

coinlocket$

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It seem to see that in this forum mod bad only foror plagiarism (not considering boumping, managering and airdrops) so even if it is proven that the accounts are connected, I think the only way is to report every single account (if you can find it) for plagiarism

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Quote from: jerick06 on September 02, 2018, 06:09:36 AM

I wanna ask, do you consider it plagiarism if a thread like copied and pasted phrases in a article even the poster put the sources below?

Example this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41810553

I've checked the sources and the poster copied and pasted almost all of the content of that thread and a user named Welsh gave 10 merits to this post....

I think^* it's plagiarism. If it's something you can't get away with in university, you shouldn't get away with it on this forum.
Showing sources serves two purposes: giving credit, and making statements verifiable. What he did in that thread is just opy/pasting text from different sources together into an incoherent post.
Each citation should have it's individual source link, and it shouldn't be literally copied. I don't think this text would require 9 different sources if it wouldn't be copy/pasted together.
I'm pretty sure it's only meant to earn Merit.

^*Since this is a debated case, and open to interpretation, I won't report it as plagiarism.

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Well for this case

Quote from: jerick06 on September 02, 2018, 06:09:36 AM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2018, 06:03:50 AM

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I wanna ask, do you consider it plagiarism if a thread like copied and pasted phrases in a article even the poster put the sources below?

Example this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41810553

I've checked the sources and the poster copied and pasted almost all of the content of that thread and a user named Welsh gave 10 merits to this post....

I think it is not considered as a plagiarism because he put sources there in the last part of the OP. Although it is not a plagiarism, i think it is not appropriate to solely just make a paraphrased thread and then not mentioning anything about it is a thread which he made base on other people works. In my opinion, it would be great if he made a statement like " This thread is made compiling data from some sources" etc.

Well it is just my opinion though, and that guy did not do anything wrong.

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Quote from: jerick06 on September 02, 2018, 06:09:36 AM

I wanna ask, do you consider it plagiarism if a thread like copied and pasted phrases in a article even the poster put the sources below?
Example this thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41810553

I've checked the sources and the poster copied and pasted almost all of the content of that thread and a user named Welsh gave 10 merits to this post....

Welsh is a merit source and staff. Poster had added all the source link bottom of post. So it will not consider a plagiarism. If you added reference/ source link you can copy a part from there, if there is no restriction from your source.

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.

User didn't pass his own, because he has added all reference link.

Kindly move your thread on Reputation board from lower left. It's not belongs to Meta.

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on September 02, 2018, 06:03:50 AM

The right order is to report plagiarism, that gives a ban. Next, if the alt accounts keep posting, report them for ban evasion, which deserves a ban too.

I wanna ask, do you consider it plagiarism if a thread like copied and pasted phrases from an article even the poster put the sources below?

Example this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.41810553

I've checked the sources and the poster copied and pasted almost all of the content of that thread and a user named Welsh gave 10 merits to this post....

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The right order is to report plagiarism, that gives a ban. Next, if the alt accounts keep posting, report them for ban evasion, which deserves a ban too.

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Nice find.
You should probably post this in this thread by following the given format there. That thread is for alts of everyone that are caught and I think there are DT members involved in that thread who would negative tag these accounts.
About plagiarism, you should have reported that to a moderator and it would get what it deserves for that.

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