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Topic: [UPDATE] Bypass the exchanges w/ BitInstant Pay-to-Email feature (Read 7122 times)

legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
You talked about fees in the OP but does that include the MtGox fees or just the 3.99% + $1.00 listed on the site?
Also what is the "Destination account"? is that the destination email address?

The only fee's there are the ones listed, you don't need to pay MtGox Trading Fee, we do that.

'Destination Account' can be an email address or mobile number- we will be editing the field on our next update

Thanks
member
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You talked about fees in the OP but does that include the MtGox fees or just the 3.99% + $1.00 listed on the site?
Also what is the "Destination account"? is that the destination email address?
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
Nice work.

Was partly your idea!

Thank you very much, your a gentleman and a scholar

Charlie
vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
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UPDATE:

We've now added the PIN security verification system. This had been recommended to help offset the risks of using email to send Bitcoin, and it's now ready to go.

During your checkout, you'll select a PIN if Bitcoins are being sent to your email. In order to get those coins, you'll need this PIN, so write it down.

Once the Bitcoins are received to your email, you'll need to enter your PIN to redeem them. The PIN is passed securely from our servers to the redemption.

BTW - the Bitcoin-to-Email feature has been a huge success. In the past week alone, over 2,000 BTC has been sent from BitInstant's cash deposits to customers' email accounts.

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reg
sr. member
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The way it will work on our website, is it will show a USD/Local Currency form that dynamically updates.

So, if you want to deposit $33.90 it would tell you 1000 RUB in Russia, so on and so forth. The funds will be converted by the bank, so we will be getting competitive rates.

Should clear up a few things!

ok- so if I send you 1000 RUB from my credit card by internet banking you will send me a BTC address of that amount (less fees) in BTC. I would need an a/c number and reference number from you to do that? Also if I used enigmail my details would be encypted but what about your server- is it secure as when opened my details can be read if your site has insufficient internal security? Also how do you protect the returned BTC address by e-mail if you do not use enigmail?
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
Hi Charlies,

1- So I'll be able to buy bitcoins on Bitinstant using Real currency?
2- With the price of 1 bitcoin in 5 dollars, what will be the price of 1 bitcoin in Real currency? (1 dollar = 1.83 Real)


Hey!

GREAT question!

So we are working with the Boleto system, these locations range from banks, post offices, and convenience stores in Brazil)

When you go to Bitinstant.com you'll choose your location (Brazil) and it will show USD / BRL / BTC. You will be able to enter in the amount in either of 3 fields and the other two will automatically update.

When your checking out, we will give you a pre-printed slip in BRL so you know how much to deposit.

It's that simple!

-Charlie
legendary
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Strength in numbers
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?

We are required by law to make a reasonable effort to be compliant.

For cash deposits, the burden falls on TrustCash, but we monitor IP address, Bank Deposit Branch, Account Deposited, MtGox (or other exchange account), and email address



Thanks that helps.

I guess if my friends and I go together to the same branch and then go back to my place and get online you'll just want to ID us all and we'll still get our money?

I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?

Right now, unless you email us and tell us that you want to transfer over $1000 in cash deposits, we are not ID'ing you.
The system won't let you proceed either, but of course its not fullproof

You say you'll try to figure out if someone is getting by the $1000 limit by looking at bank branches an IPs. If I go to one branch, do 5 transactions of $1000 and go home and access the 5 different emails from the same IP that looks a lot me and my 5 friends buying $1000 each and going to my house and using the same IP.

Essentially all I'm saying is that some people who are doing less than the limit will get bothered (ID'd?) by chance or accident when you have false positives.

Ah, I understand!

The system is not fool proof, so of course people slip thru the cracks and we may annoy some people. We always give people benefit of the doubt and never assume people are guilty until we contact them or hear their side of the story. Of course, we will never lock your funds or hold you hostage.

A+

BitInstant has my confidence.  I especially like that you can bypass the exchanges. Any chance of sending coins straight to an address instead of via email? That would be like the ultimate in safety and convenience.
sr. member
Activity: 312
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Hi Charlies,

1- So I'll be able to buy bitcoins on Bitinstant using Real currency?
2- With the price of 1 bitcoin in 5 dollars, what will be the price of 1 bitcoin in Real currency? (1 dollar = 1.83 Real)
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1000
Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?

We are required by law to make a reasonable effort to be compliant.

For cash deposits, the burden falls on TrustCash, but we monitor IP address, Bank Deposit Branch, Account Deposited, MtGox (or other exchange account), and email address



Thanks that helps.

I guess if my friends and I go together to the same branch and then go back to my place and get online you'll just want to ID us all and we'll still get our money?

I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?

Right now, unless you email us and tell us that you want to transfer over $1000 in cash deposits, we are not ID'ing you.
The system won't let you proceed either, but of course its not fullproof

You say you'll try to figure out if someone is getting by the $1000 limit by looking at bank branches an IPs. If I go to one branch, do 5 transactions of $1000 and go home and access the 5 different emails from the same IP that looks a lot me and my 5 friends buying $1000 each and going to my house and using the same IP.

Essentially all I'm saying is that some people who are doing less than the limit will get bothered (ID'd?) by chance or accident when you have false positives.

Ah, I understand!

The system is not fool proof, so of course people slip thru the cracks and we may annoy some people. We always give people benefit of the doubt and never assume people are guilty until we contact them or hear their side of the story. Of course, we will never lock your funds or hold you hostage.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?

We are required by law to make a reasonable effort to be compliant.

For cash deposits, the burden falls on TrustCash, but we monitor IP address, Bank Deposit Branch, Account Deposited, MtGox (or other exchange account), and email address



Thanks that helps.

I guess if my friends and I go together to the same branch and then go back to my place and get online you'll just want to ID us all and we'll still get our money?

I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?

Right now, unless you email us and tell us that you want to transfer over $1000 in cash deposits, we are not ID'ing you.
The system won't let you proceed either, but of course its not fullproof

You say you'll try to figure out if someone is getting by the $1000 limit by looking at bank branches an IPs. If I go to one branch, do 5 transactions of $1000 and go home and access the 5 different emails from the same IP that looks a lot me and my 5 friends buying $1000 each and going to my house and using the same IP.

Essentially all I'm saying is that some people who are doing less than the limit will get bothered (ID'd?) by chance or accident when you have false positives.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1000
Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?

We are required by law to make a reasonable effort to be compliant.

For cash deposits, the burden falls on TrustCash, but we monitor IP address, Bank Deposit Branch, Account Deposited, MtGox (or other exchange account), and email address



Thanks that helps.

I guess if my friends and I go together to the same branch and then go back to my place and get online you'll just want to ID us all and we'll still get our money?

I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?

Right now, unless you email us and tell us that you want to transfer over $1000 in cash deposits, we are not ID'ing you.
The system won't let you proceed either, but of course its not fullproof
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?

We are required by law to make a reasonable effort to be compliant.

For cash deposits, the burden falls on TrustCash, but we monitor IP address, Bank Deposit Branch, Account Deposited, MtGox (or other exchange account), and email address



Thanks that helps.

I guess if my friends and I go together to the same branch and then go back to my place and get online you'll just want to ID us all and we'll still get our money?
vip
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1140
The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
From Coinapult.com:

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No really, is this a safe way to send money?

Coinapult is as safe as the security of the email inbox or mobile phone of the recipient. If a cracker accessed your grandmother's email and saw the Coinapult message in there, then the cracker could go get the coins. So the answer is, it's pretty safe, just don't send stupid amounts of money.

This doesn't sound like a good idea to connect to BitInstant for this very reason.  E-mail is incredibly easy to intercept - there is no security on it - anything more than pocket change is a "stupid amount of money" as referenced here.  Crackers need not crack Grandma's password, they merely need to sniff on any of the networks that carry the unencrypted SMTP session to deliver the e-mail, and steal the plaintext code out of the message.

If someone were to lose $20, it's not a whole lot of money, but are they going to hear?  "Sorry, someone must have stolen the code out of your e-mail... you're screwed!"  Wal-Mart is already taking a hit in the press for people getting scammed buying compromised GreenDot MoneyPaks and having their funds stolen by scammers before they make it home.

Any time I have ever passed a MtGox code or a private key to somebody, I will e-mail half and text the other half on my phone.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1000
Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?

We are required by law to make a reasonable effort to be compliant.

For cash deposits, the burden falls on TrustCash, but we monitor IP address, Bank Deposit Branch, Account Deposited, MtGox (or other exchange account), and email address

legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1016
Strength in numbers
This is actually awesome news since it removes the need to ID yourself in order to convert your fiat to BTC.

Two thumbs up from me!  Cool

Yes, but don't forget we monitor fraud and AML 24/7

We have per-day and per-transaction limits in place for that reason, and any attempt to defraud our system will be taken seriously.

Thanks  Grin

What does this mean?

I sell bad powders, get cash, take cash to bank, put in your account, get coins.

Isn't that money laundering? How can you possibly do anything about that?

We are required by US law and FinCEN regulations to not allow 1 person to transfer more then $1,000 per day

Where and when do you ID? Do you just make the assumption that 1 email = 1 user?
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1000
Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
great for us dollar a/c holders but what about other currencies? are there exchange rates involved? outside the states we do not even know what liberty reserve is? sounds like some sort of young girls under garment!

Thats a good question.

Right now, we only have US Cash Deposits enabled.

Within a few weeks, we're going to be rolling out more locations in the US, Russia, Brazil, and Canada (To start)

The way it will work on our website, is it will show a USD/Local Currency form that dynamically updates.

So, if you want to deposit $33.90 it would tell you 1000 RUB in Russia, so on and so forth. The funds will be converted by the bank, so we will be getting competitive rates.

Should clear up a few things!

Charlie
reg
sr. member
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great for us dollar a/c holders but what about other currencies? are there exchange rates involved? outside the states we do not even know what liberty reserve is? sounds like some sort of young girls under garment!
newbie
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will be trying this out soon
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