[UPDATE] SatoshiDICE Android and Desktop Apps Open Beta v1.1 - page 2.

dooglus

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I think I just found another bug.

I placed 2 bets, one after the other.

In both cases I copy/pasted the bet amount rather than typing it. The amount I pasted in both cases was 0.06451209.

Both bets won, but they won different amounts, which is just odd. I noticed this on the roller screen.

So I checked on blockchain.info to see what was going on. It turns out that even though I definitely used the same bet amount both times, the SD roller placed 2 differently sized bets. The first one was 0.06401209 which is 0.0005 less than I requested, and the 2nd was 0.06451209 as requested.

I had over 8 BTC in my roller wallet at the time, with enough confirmed that it the balance shouldn't be an issue.

Edit: Please disregard. I'm entirely mistaken about what I copy/pasted...

BitCoiner2012

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So far my only complaint is the one listed - that money goes back into pending state (a LOT like Bitcoin Wallet Android), so it makes it impossible to enjoy the game. I love the interface and finally an easy way (unless I missed before) to bet many different rolls at once. I know there is a way in Blockchain, but it doesn't have access to all the rolls as I would like.

Still, slick. Look forward to the hyper fast fun I have online with this application.

evoorhees

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Democracy is the original 51% attack

Good point, we'll correct it in the next release.

dooglus

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Quote from: evoorhees on November 14, 2012, 12:28:40 PM

Dooglus great comments, thank you! But why did it take 8 hrs to download the light blockchain?!? You on a modem?

On my computer it takes about 15 minutes total upon first launch, and on the tablet it takes about 30 mins total.

It seems you did find a bug in the balance not updating to "Available" even though it was. Relaunching the program fixes it, but we'll address that bug asap.

The largest usability issue is that once you bet, the change from that bet also becomes pending until one block has passed. We're working on a solution to that as well.

And Dooglus for goodness' sake upgrade from your 28.8 modem

I live in the middle of nowhere, with no cell phone coverage, no electricity, no cable or DSL internet. I can get satellite internet though, and get something like 5 megabits/s. I am often able to download torrents at 500kB/s or faster.

I've no idea why the download was so slow.

After withdrawing as much as I could last night, my balance is now 0.0005 BTC. I don't know if the app is deliberately preventing me from withdrawing the last 0.0005 BTC so that the available (= balance - 0.0005) is never negative, but it kind of sucks. Those 0.0005 BTC amounts are kind of 'lost' in the roller's wallet, unspendable by anyone.

evoorhees

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Democracy is the original 51% attack

Dooglus great comments, thank you! But why did it take 8 hrs to download the light blockchain?!? You on a modem?

On my computer it takes about 15 minutes total upon first launch, and on the tablet it takes about 30 mins total.

It seems you did find a bug in the balance not updating to "Available" even though it was. Relaunching the program fixes it, but we'll address that bug asap.

The largest usability issue is that once you bet, the change from that bet also becomes pending until one block has passed. We're working on a solution to that as well.

And Dooglus for goodness' sake upgrade from your 28.8 modem

2GOOD

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Great Idea for the app, the downside is the waiting for confirmations its annoying Sad

Edit: It would be nice if I can replay the same bet again, or to choose from a custom list of bets will be just perfect

dooglus

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I think I found a bug.

My balance is 8.1270 BTC.

My available balance is 8.1265 BTC.

But the withdraw dialog won't let me withdraw more than 8.1260 BTC.

ie. it's taking off the mandatory 0.005 BTC transaction fee twice.

Also, I'd like to be able to copy/paste the available amount. It's annoying to have to copy it by hand.

A "withdraw all" button would also work.

dooglus

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Quote from: dooglus on November 13, 2012, 10:59:43 PM

I made a small bet, a very small percentage of the amount I deposited. It won, but now my whole balance is 'pending', presumably because the change from my bet now has no confirmations. So I'm going to have to wait for another block to be found before I can play again.

My bet now has 6 confirmations. So my change must also. Yet my whole balance is still shown as "pending". What's going on? I did lose power to the router for a few minutes. Does the roller client not handle Internet outages very well?

I'll try restarting the roller client.

Edit: that fixed it. When I first restarted it, I saw:

but once it connected, it very quickly fetched blocks (42%, 84% flashed by) and then my balance was no longer pending:

dooglus

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So it finally finished downloading the blocks after about 8 hours. Then I decided to deposit some coins to the address it gave me, and of course it's been almost an hour since the last block was found, so I'm having to wait now for a confirmation.

Eventually I'll get to try the new interface out I'm sure.

Edit: I got to play. I made a small bet, a very small percentage of the amount I deposited. It won, but now my whole balance is 'pending', presumably because the change from my bet now has no confirmations. So I'm going to have to wait for another block to be found before I can play again. That's quite a limitation, and one that's definitely worth addressing. It's so much more convenient to play from the satoshi client where I can bet with unconfirmed coins.

BitCoiner2012

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Downloading this now. I like to tinker with Satoshi or Lotto or whatever often enough, this looks slick. I'll post more impressions upon use... Hell, I was just rolling some dice (with no luck mind you..), let's try out the client.

dooglus

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Quote from: Nyhm on November 13, 2012, 04:22:41 PM

Quote from: dooglus on November 13, 2012, 03:58:05 PM

The 'fetching blocks' got up to 18% after 2 or 3 hours when the power went out so I closed the SD app. I got back online, restarted the SD app, and was surprised to see it starting from 1% again fetching blocks.

Yes, this is normal, and it is not re-fetching any old blocks; it is now at 1, 2, 3% of the remaining blocks. I agree this is confusing/misleading. I should improve the logic to show the overall % (of all blocks). Thanks.

The current logic is OK so long as it's clear that that's what it's doing. If you showed "1% (5000 of 200000 blocks) then it would be clearer I think. What is it fetching exactly? All the block headers, but none of the block content? Or just recent blocks?

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Quote from: evoorhees on November 13, 2012, 02:54:06 PM

We will be trying to get it in Google Play.

Notice this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zynga.livepoker&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS56eW5nYS5saXZlcG9rZXIiXQ..

So, the store does allow gambling apps, so long as it's not "real money."

Thus the question is... is Bitcoin real money or not?

Nice going. Grin

Nyhm

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Quote from: Stephen Gornick on November 13, 2012, 03:55:30 PM

After leaving my Android device idle it goes to the Lock screen. It appears that after I unlock and the app reappears that the (green) background image is repainted at the wrong image size and not at the full resolution of my display (this is on a tablet).

Thanks for the report. This has only been extensively tested on the Google Nexus 7 tablet (which has never exhibited that behavior). Can you tell me what tablet and Android OS version you have? I will attempt to reproduce this in emulation.

Quote from: dooglus on November 13, 2012, 03:58:05 PM

The 'fetching blocks' got up to 18% after 2 or 3 hours when the power went out so I closed the SD app. I got back online, restarted the SD app, and was surprised to see it starting from 1% again fetching blocks.

Yes, this is normal, and it is not re-fetching any old blocks; it is now at 1, 2, 3% of the remaining blocks. I agree this is confusing/misleading. I should improve the logic to show the overall % (of all blocks). Thanks.

Quote from: dooglus on November 13, 2012, 03:58:05 PM

I also don't see any way to resize the app. The text is kind of small, but I have lots of spare screen realestate. I'd like to 'fullscreen' the window. On a netbook I suspect the window is too big, so it would be useful to be able to shrink it a bit too.

This version was developed at a fixed resolution. Making the window resizable and making the fonts resizable are two features that could be implemented. Thanks for the input!

Quote from: dooglus on November 13, 2012, 01:00:41 PM

Incidentally, I (and I would guess a lot of other people) have the full blockchain already in ~/.bitcoin/blk*. My Internet connection is slow and expensive. I would much prefer that your 'thin client' check to see if it can grab blocks from my local copy before it re-fetches them over the network.

That's a good suggestion, and we were considering something similar to speed up the initial grind.

I'm keeping track of all your suggestions, and your input will help prioritize future features.

dooglus

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The 'fetching blocks' got up to 18% after 2 or 3 hours when the power went out so I closed the SD app. I got back online, restarted the SD app, and was surprised to see it starting from 1% again fetching blocks.

The SatoshiRoller.blocks file was up to about 5MB, and is continuing to grow from that size, but the progress indicator started from 1% again.

Is that normal? I'm never going to be able to stay online to download all the blocks in one go.

I also don't see any way to resize the app. The text is kind of small, but I have lots of spare screen realestate. I'd like to 'fullscreen' the window. On a netbook I suspect the window is too big, so it would be useful to be able to shrink it a bit too.

Stephen Gornick

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Quote from: evoorhees on November 13, 2012, 02:54:06 PM

We will be trying to get it in Google Play.

Notice this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zynga.livepoker&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS56eW5nYS5saXZlcG9rZXIiXQ..

So, the store does allow gambling apps, so long as it's not "real money."

Thus the question is... is Bitcoin real money or not?

Good point. I hope to see it included.

Quote from: Nyhm on November 13, 2012, 02:11:10 PM

Hello, all. I'll be following along to answer any technical questions/issues about SatoshiRoller.

After leaving my Android device idle it goes to the Lock screen. It appears that after I unlock and the app reappears that the (green) background image is repainted at the wrong image size and not at the full resolution of my display (this is on a tablet).

Nyhm

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Quote from: Stephen Gornick on November 13, 2012, 02:33:40 PM

For the message that displays my deposit address, ... it would be helpful to display a QR code. I'm getting in the habit of primarily using my mobile for everything, and in this instance, funding the SatoshiRoller wallet on one device using a Bitcoin app from another -- with QR codes as the way to pass the Bitcoin payment address between the two.

SatoshiRoller cannot (yet) generate a QR code itself, but you can open the deposit address at Blockchain.info by clicking the icon (desktop) or menu item (Android), which shows a QR code.

Quote from: guruvan on November 13, 2012, 02:40:51 PM

Well, as a shareholder, I gotta say, this is the shiz! Cheesy

Looks really slick, will have to try it out myself. (and, as an investor, but non-player, I think that speaks well of what effect the apps will have on the S.DICE bottom line.

Good work!

Complements are much appreciated - thank you!

evoorhees

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Quote from: Stephen Gornick on November 13, 2012, 02:33:40 PM

Quote from: evoorhees on November 13, 2012, 12:36:51 PM

These are not yet available on the SatoshiDice.com website, because I wanted the community here to get to play around with them first.

Is it fair to say this app won't appear on Google Play?

Quote

Gambling: We don’t allow content or services that facilitate online gambling, including but not limited to, online casinos, sports betting and lotteries.

- http://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html

We will be trying to get it in Google Play.

Notice this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zynga.livepoker&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS56eW5nYS5saXZlcG9rZXIiXQ..

So, the store does allow gambling apps, so long as it's not "real money."

Thus the question is... is Bitcoin real money or not?

guruvan

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Well, as a shareholder, I gotta say, this is the shiz! Cheesy

Looks really slick, will have to try it out myself. (and, as an investor, but non-player, I think that speaks well of what effect the apps will have on the S.DICE bottom line.

Good work!

Stephen Gornick

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Quote from: evoorhees on November 13, 2012, 12:36:51 PM

These are not yet available on the SatoshiDice.com website, because I wanted the community here to get to play around with them first.

Is it fair to say this app won't appear on Google Play?

Quote from: Nyhm on November 13, 2012, 02:11:10 PM

Hello, all. I'll be following along to answer any technical questions/issues about SatoshiRoller.

I installed it and am waiting on "Connecting ....".

~~It has been several minutes. How long should that status persist?~~ [Edit: Ah ... now it says "Fetching blocks ... nn%", so at least now I know how long I need to wait.]

For the message that displays my deposit address, ... it would be helpful to display a QR code. I'm getting in the habit of primarily using my mobile for everything, and in this instance, funding the SatoshiRoller wallet on one device using a Bitcoin app from another -- with QR codes as the way to pass the Bitcoin payment address between the two.

Nyhm

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Hello, all. I'll be following along to answer any technical questions/issues about SatoshiRoller. I wrote the software (desktop and Android), and your feedback is most welcome.

Quote from: dooglus on November 13, 2012, 01:02:44 PM

Quote from: piuk on November 13, 2012, 12:57:10 PM

Awesome. Testing now, how come you need to wait for a deposit to confirm before it can be bet?

Just guessing, but:

Unintentional double-spends cause problems for SDICE's wallet handling. They pay out winners with losers' bets. If the losing bets never confirm then the payouts that use those bets never confirm either. Incoming bets are much more likely to confirm if the inputs of those bets are already confirmed.

Notice that pay-in and pay-out logic are entirely handled by the satoshidice.com service (not by the SatoshiRoller client). Your analysis is very insightful, but it actually comes down to a technical reason. SatoshiRoller uses the BitcoinJ library, which does not (yet) support spending unconfirmed transactions.

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