Gold is only safer in that you know the price isn't going to really go up or down. Look at it's 1970s price and today's price... I guess with inflation figured in it actually lost value over half a century.
The only meaningful time I can say BTC is tied to the DJ/NASDAQ/S&P is when institutional investors start pulling major weight into it. At the current time Coinbase has more clout than the POTUS.
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Despite this new, it doesn't show in the price of Bitcoin that much in comparison with what we used to experience before. All of them have their purpose and can stand independently.
I agree but based on graph displayed by OP somehow bitcoin in a turnoil. It goes down but for a split days only. I am one of those who decided to put first on stablecoin majority of the asset cause anytime bitcoun could go down. Also include with that the recent news on bitmex issue where Arthur Hayes platform will be closed. Bitcoin holders panic and price suddenly go down. I think gold could be more safe than bitcoin. Crypto is really hard volatile so dont expect it to be much more safe than gold. 
For now.
If gold would be under similar political pressure as bitcoin is, or if there would be any threat that governments could make illegal to hoard it (again), it wouldn't act as a safe heaven either. Gold isn't better, it's just currently on good terms with governments.
If gold would be under similar political pressure as bitcoin is, or if there would be any threat that governments could make illegal to hoard it (again), it wouldn't act as a safe heaven either. Gold isn't better, it's just currently on good terms with governments.
Exactly my thoughts. If gold as a publicly traded asset was also only 11 years old, I'd assume that it would also be as illiquid and probably as volatile as bitcoin, and it wouldn't also be an effective economic hedge. We won't get to that stage with bitcoin in just a decade; it's going to take time.
Despite this new, it doesn't show in the price of Bitcoin that much in comparison with what we used to experience before. All of them have their purpose and can stand independently. Gold has proven to be a save heaven and BTC also has this quality despite all hurdles and condemnations, it still survives and might be the king in the future
This chart is another proof that Bitcoin is not a safe heaven asset.Gold is still the one and only safe heaven asset,while BTC and the US stock market are following the same price patterns.
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If gold would be under similar political pressure as bitcoin is, or if there would be any threat that governments could make illegal to hoard it (again), it wouldn't act as a safe heaven either. Gold isn't better, it's just currently on good terms with governments.
May be these are just the panic investors who panic buy/sell their assets when they hear any news. We all know panic investors are present in both Stocks and the Crypto market.
On hearing this news may be these people sold their assets hoping that the market would crash. But to be honest, the market did take a dip but not much. It's kinda negligible.
On hearing this news may be these people sold their assets hoping that the market would crash. But to be honest, the market did take a dip but not much. It's kinda negligible.
I agree with you, this is mostly because of panic sellers. As you mentioned, they are everywhere in the Bitcoin market and in the stock market, and when they hear such news, they sell their assets, which leads to such a decline.
As for me, I think things are fine and after a short time everything will return to the same and better.
Also, since Bitcoin is mostly paired with USD the price is expected to fall down but if we compare it to another coin for example ether then there isn't much difference at all.
The below chart shows that the price hasn't changed much in the past 7 days when BTC is paired with ETH.
The below chart shows that the price hasn't changed much in the past 7 days when BTC is paired with ETH.
I mean, of course it doesn't, because most cryptocurrencies like ETH mostly follow BTC's price, not the other way around. There's a reason why almost every asset is paired with USD; and it's because it's one of the more sort of "accurate" assets to compare to, not like ETH which mostly follows bitcoin, and is a lot more illiquid compared to other assets.
May be these are just the panic investors who panic buy/sell their assets when they hear any news. We all know panic investors are present in both Stocks and the Crypto market.
On hearing this news may be these people sold their assets hoping that the market would crash. But to be honest, the market did take a dip but not much. It's kinda negligible.
Also, since Bitcoin is mostly paired with USD the price is expected to fall down but if we compare it to another coin for example ether then there isn't much difference at all.
The below chart shows that the price hasn't changed much in the past 7 days when BTC is paired with ETH.
On hearing this news may be these people sold their assets hoping that the market would crash. But to be honest, the market did take a dip but not much. It's kinda negligible.
Also, since Bitcoin is mostly paired with USD the price is expected to fall down but if we compare it to another coin for example ether then there isn't much difference at all.
The below chart shows that the price hasn't changed much in the past 7 days when BTC is paired with ETH.
From the bottom range, among Bitcoin, Gold, SP500, Bitcoin is the best one in terms of rallies. The chart shows that fact. I don't want to put too much detailed stats on the chart and mess it up.
If you care curious about my statement, you can use the Forecast and get the percentages of rally from bottom for each of these three (Bitcoin, Gold and SP500). You need to take into account the past rallies and today crashes. Even using today prices, bitcoin is still the best rallying asset.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=BITSTAMP%3ABTCUSD
If you care curious about my statement, you can use the Forecast and get the percentages of rally from bottom for each of these three (Bitcoin, Gold and SP500). You need to take into account the past rallies and today crashes. Even using today prices, bitcoin is still the best rallying asset.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=BITSTAMP%3ABTCUSD
Therefore we conclude that nothing is to be considered as a safe-haven investment, everything will change, and might gold will experience like this before. Even oil prices also fell down yesterday the same goes for Bitcoin and the stock market as well.
But I have doubt that this is a short impact after the announcement has been released by Trump, the fact that there are still big investors afraid of Bitcoin as an investment. Even Bitcoin has appeared to lead the losses dropping among other investments but I think it will recover quickly soon as we know how to fluctuate Bitcoin price.
But I have doubt that this is a short impact after the announcement has been released by Trump, the fact that there are still big investors afraid of Bitcoin as an investment. Even Bitcoin has appeared to lead the losses dropping among other investments but I think it will recover quickly soon as we know how to fluctuate Bitcoin price.
Can it be said that the money that came out from stocks and Bitcoin entered gold?
Totally possible, but it's going to be hard to make such conclusions in cases like this, because of a few factors:
1. Probably only a minority of bitcoiners are actually interested in buying gold.
2. Not all stock market investors are interested in economic hedges, as I think most are interested in taking advantage of the uncertainty by buying value stocks.
3. It could probably just be goldbugs being more bullish on gold.
But then again, we can't really know this unless we grab all the data from multiple bitcoin exchanges, stock brokerage platforms, and online precious metals dealers.
Looking at the chart it seems the rally of gold happened almost immediately after the prices of stocks and Bitcoin fell. Can it be said that the money that came out from stocks and Bitcoin entered gold?
By the looks of it there seems to be an inverse relationship between stocks and Bitcoin on the one hand and gold on the other. So if you are closely monitoring the stock market and you want to hedge your funds then, based on the chart, you should be going into gold rather than Bitcoin.
By the looks of it there seems to be an inverse relationship between stocks and Bitcoin on the one hand and gold on the other. So if you are closely monitoring the stock market and you want to hedge your funds then, based on the chart, you should be going into gold rather than Bitcoin.
This chart is another proof that Bitcoin is not a safe heaven asset.Gold is still the one and only safe heaven asset,while BTC and the US stock market are following the same price patterns.
It sure isn't right now(price wise), but the long-shot bet is that it will hopefully be a good hedge against economic uncertainty in the future. Regardless the price movement though, I'd still rather hold bitcoin than gold. Bitcoin's easy self-custody characteristics is a really important factor when talking about economic hedges in my opinion.
This chart is another proof that Bitcoin is not a safe heaven asset.Gold is still the one and only safe heaven asset,while BTC and the US stock market are following the same price patterns.
I guess that the COVID-19 announcement made by Trump scared a small part of the traders,so they sold stocks and bought gold,but this is only a short term impact.The US stock market is going to be crazy in the next few months.
I'd rather think that the Bitcoin market is still just way too uncertain right now due to immaturity. If you take a look at it, while it surely did follow a hard decline similar to stocks, from 00:00 to 06:00 it's almost like it didn't know what to do.I guess that the COVID-19 announcement made by Trump scared a small part of the traders,so they sold stocks and bought gold,but this is only a short term impact.The US stock market is going to be crazy in the next few months.
If we think about it, maybe Bitcoin isn't neither a safe haven asset or a stock-related one. Maybe it's something different and this is why it also acts differently. We still try to attach Bitcoin to different definitions, terms and categories yet we never think it might actually fit into an unique definition of its kind.
When I first heard Trump and his wife had tested positive for coronavirus I knew precisely what I should do with my bitcoin - just hodl it further despite market movements. I decided for myself that bitcoin is a store of value, just like that. This is how SoV part of money is born. The more people refuse to sell bitcoin, the less volatile it gets, the less it fluctuates on every single news. I don't understand those people who claim that bitcoin is neither a safe haven nor is it a store of value. Your opinion is simply based on the wrong assumptions, you trust others emotions (market small movements) more than your perception and your experience.
For the stock markets it might seem to be a huge event, but for bitcoin it is not. The change is single digit percentage for bitcoin that has been negligible for years now, and we know that wilder and more erratic declines and spikes have been recorded than this. For sure most bitcoiners don’t really care about the drama of the events on the US, and only those who are directly affected by this which obviously are the Americans. But yeah, it is too small of a change to be worried about IMO.
And for the presidential aide whom the Trumps came in close contact with, you did the USA a whole favor for Trump to acknowledge the disease finally.
And for the presidential aide whom the Trumps came in close contact with, you did the USA a whole favor for Trump to acknowledge the disease finally.
This chart is another proof that Bitcoin is not a safe heaven asset.Gold is still the one and only safe heaven asset,while BTC and the US stock market are following the same price patterns.
I guess that the COVID-19 announcement made by Trump scared a small part of the traders,so they sold stocks and bought gold,but this is only a short term impact.The US stock market is going to be crazy in the next few months.
I guess that the COVID-19 announcement made by Trump scared a small part of the traders,so they sold stocks and bought gold,but this is only a short term impact.The US stock market is going to be crazy in the next few months.
As somewhat expected, since bitcoin and the US stock market in general have been heavily correlated since the past months, they've went down together; whereas gold had a small spike up in price. Unfortunately we're yet to see bitcoin do it's job as a sort of "economic hedge"; hopefully some time in the future.
Completely up to you how you're going to use this information. I just find it interesting.
EDIT(October 7): After Trump has announced that stimulus talks will be delayed until after the upcoming election, the markets dropped a bit. Again, market correlation continues.
■ Gold
■ SP500 futures(US stock market)
■ Bitcoin
Previous chart(October 02, 2020):
Completely up to you how you're going to use this information. I just find it interesting.
EDIT(October 7): After Trump has announced that stimulus talks will be delayed until after the upcoming election, the markets dropped a bit. Again, market correlation continues.
■ Gold
■ SP500 futures(US stock market)
■ Bitcoin
Previous chart(October 02, 2020):
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