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Topic: Urgent -Transaction stuck "missing block" - They will burn my BTC (Read 424 times)

legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
He has unfortunately already scammed you. He is surely not looking to return your money. Don't give him any personal information like your name, address, date of birth. Who knows if he would be prepared to visit you where you live. He might think you have more than 0.3 BTC in your possession.

A new address from a new wallet is all you should give him. He might try to confuse you again by saying things like you need to give him a funded address with the seed so that the security department con confirm the wallet's authenticity, or similar tricks. Don't fall for it. In your eyes he is a scammer that will try everything he can against you.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 5834
not your keys, not your coins!
So not the address I sent the 0.3 BTC from?

Another one on a different exchange?

What do you mean by spending funds on a know your customer service?

Thanks
Stop it with all the exchange bullshit. You put your money on a scammer fake 'exchange' who just takes your money and doesn't give it back out.
If you want to try to have them send you back your funds, download a real Bitcoin wallet software like Electrum, generate a new wallet and click 'receive', then give him the address that Electrum spits out.

If you ever need to sell your BTC, don't contact such a scammer agent ('account manager' - WTF do you need that for?) again, just use Bisq or if you don't care about KYC use a trusted KYC exchange like Binance, Kraken or another on the top of this list for example: https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/. If you want to 100% make sure, just ask here if an exchange is safe. There are enough people who can help you.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
He has asked for a number and wallet address.
He probably wants your phone number for future scams. I'm pretty sure you're a high value target now for scammers, so your phone number is worth a lot.
You can get a prepaid burner phone, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. I think the only way for you to get any of your money back, is if the scammer believes he can scam you for more later on. Don't send him anything else, no matter what he promises.
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 13
So not the address I sent the 0.3 BTC from?

Another one on a different exchange?

What do you mean by spending funds on a know your customer service?

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 3584
Merit: 5243
https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
So finally, after me not sending any more money, they have declared that the funds are burned.

In addition to the funds that were put up for this ‘contract’, I have other funds in a regular trading account with this  account manager, who is allegedly separate from blockchain.com.

I have asked him to halt trading, and to return all my funds to me.

He has asked for a number and wallet address.

I’m not sure what ‘number’ he needs, but if I were to give him my wallet address, would I be compromising myself in anyway? Or is it safe to give the wallet address, in the hope that he just may return my funds?

(Long shot, I know)

Thanks.

If it's ONLY your address, preferably one that has never been used before, it's safe... If you spend those funds on a KYC service, you might decrease your privacy, but that's it....

Don't get your hopes up tough... Make sure you don't hand your seed phrase, account details from a different service or private key to him, and make sure he doesn't push you into sending him more funds first
newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
mocacinno has said everything bro
I literally don't think creating a new transaction is the solution
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 13
So finally, after me not sending any more money, they have declared that the funds are burned.

In addition to the funds that were put up for this ‘contract’, I have other funds in a regular trading account with this  account manager, who is allegedly separate from blockchain.com.

I have asked him to halt trading, and to return all my funds to me.

He has asked for a number and wallet address.

I’m not sure what ‘number’ he needs, but if I were to give him my wallet address, would I be compromising myself in anyway? Or is it safe to give the wallet address, in the hope that he just may return my funds?

(Long shot, I know)

Thanks.
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 13
I appreciate all the advice, thank you.
legendary
Activity: 3584
Merit: 5243
https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
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It must make lots of people here feel very smug and fortunate, so enjoy those emotions if you like, I don’t care.
In my experience, not many people enjoy seeing new Bitcoin users get scammed. Actually, it sucks big time, but the harsh reality is you're not the first and you certainly won't be the last.
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this ^^^

Really, there are some of us who might come over as smug, but i'm pretty sure even those people feel sorry for you... I mean, we have nothing to gain from you getting scammed, and most people actually have a lot of sympathy for you. There might be a couple of people out there that are enjoying these kinds of threads, but i'm pretty sure they're grossly outnumbered.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 7340
Farewell, Leo
Yes, Black Hat Coiner, I know. I feel very stupid and angry.
I guess we've all experienced this situation. I know at first hand how it feels, I was a victim too, but didn't lose so much money. I lost almost nothing and was so pissed off, so I can't imagine how I'd react if such thing ever happened to me.

I have a friend who has runs their own cyber security operation, and contacts in Germany where this scam is supposedly originating, so maybe I’ll get lucky, probably not, but wouldn’t you try? Or would you just give in?
Depends. Is that amount much money to you? You know that there're things you may also lose by choosing to not admit your defeat, right? Time. I wouldn't try it, no.

I can't imagine myself trying to find a person by knowing they can have hidden themselves very easily.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
always create a thread here whenever you have queries about things you don't know.
Additional warning: do not believe everything you read on the internet, that includes Bitcointalk. Scammers have used this forum to steal large amounts of money.
Many people here are willing to help, but always be vigilant. Especially when you receive a PM from someone. See How can we protect Newbies from getting scammed?.

It must make lots of people here feel very smug and fortunate, so enjoy those emotions if you like, I don’t care.
In my experience, not many people enjoy seeing new Bitcoin users get scammed. Actually, it sucks big time, but the harsh reality is you're not the first and you certainly won't be the last.

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I have a friend who has runs their own cyber security operation, and contacts in Germany where this scam is supposedly originating, so maybe I’ll get lucky, probably not, but wouldn’t you try? Or would you just give in?
If the scammer is smart, you'll never find him. If he makes a mistake, you may have a chance. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 13
Yes, Black Hat Coiner, I know. I feel very stupid and angry. I’m just trying to keep them talking at the moment, to have as much evidence as possible. It must make lots of people here feel very smug and fortunate, so enjoy those emotions if you like, I don’t care. This is my first time, hopefully my last, I’m trying to learn as much as possible from it.

I have a friend who has runs their own cyber security operation, and contacts in Germany where this scam is supposedly originating, so maybe I’ll get lucky, probably not, but wouldn’t you try? Or would you just give in?
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 7340
Farewell, Leo
Alright, you need to hear this out:  You've been scammed. That's the end of the story. Harsh or not, this is what happened. There isn't such thing as a missing block, you can verify that the transaction is confirmed from a block explorer.

This guy continues discussing with you by the belief you'll be fooled to send another 0.3 BTC. Thus, he responded with a part from an unknown code trying to justify that you've done something wrong. Do you really believe that a multi-millionaire company would show you such thing as a response from their support?

Lesson learnt and you've paid 0.3 BTC for it. Do not repeat it and always create a thread here whenever you have queries about things you don't know.
legendary
Activity: 3584
Merit: 5243
https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
I asked for systemic proof that my deposit failed, and this is what they sent. Any coders that can verify this?

https://ibb.co/wYnrcY8

This looks like smoke and mirrors... really... This looks like an ether contract, which has nothing to do with missing transactions on bitcoin's blockchain...

The thing is: it seems like every time this scammer sends you an answer, he makes sure he uses some defenitions, codes, contracts,... that might sound familiar if you're a bitcoin beginner. However, he uses everything out of context, just to confuse you completely.

Bottom line: your 0.3 BTC transaction went trough, that's final... The transaction has been confirmed... He is now using some random ether smart contract code that looks complex whilst still being semi human-readable to install some fear into you, in the hope you'll send him another 0.3 BTC
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 13
I asked for systemic proof that my deposit failed, and this is what they sent. Any coders that can verify this?

https://ibb.co/wYnrcY8
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 6080
Self-proclaimed Genius
Totally ignored my request for proof.
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You said you're looking for a way to track them and involve law enforcement, right.
Then I'd suggest you to keep your communication with the suspect by stalling with few of more of those "questions" and show it to the authorities.
Police may be able to get some leads if they are knowledgeable in crypto and if the scammer is dumb enough.

Yes, the email domain is different from the website domain. Email domain is @ltdblockchain.com, website is blockchain.com. So maybe phishing.
Yes it is phishing, blockchain.com's email should be from @blockchain.com or @.blockchain.com - with dot before the url.
(and the replies should be weeks to months apart :D)
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 5834
not your keys, not your coins!
I don't understand what you were trying to do in the first place. Did you want to send the funds on your exchange to another exchange?
Why did you like to "deposited it elsewhere" in the first place?
And where did you try to deposit it to?
Such large amounts in general shouldn't reside on online wallets except for a short duration after purchasing..
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I mean, if my deposit is able to move around to different wallets, then SURELY it is/was a perfectly fine transaction in the first place, right?.. if not, it simply wouldn’t move around like that?…
Your transaction was fine from a technical point of view. The address is owned by a scammer. You got scammed, and by the nature of Bitcoin, there's is no "undo".

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Would my transaction ID show up on any search function on any exchange? Or would the wallet I deposited to only show up specifically on the exchange it belongs to, in this case blockchain.com?
All transactions show up on all block explorers. Try Blockchair.com for instance. Exchanges usually don't show other transactions.
My advice: before doing anything else Bitcoin related, make sure you understand what you're doing. Unfortunately, you were now an easy victim for scammers, and there are many more scammers out there.
newbie
Activity: 10
Merit: 13
Sounds like BS to me...
To clarify;

The bullshit, nonsensical and scamming-ly yelling part is this:
It is very simple, you need to try exactly the same transaction one more time, to exactly the same address, from exactly the same crypto exchange. Old transaction will take information from the new one. The old one will be returned to your crypto exchange and the new one will arrive at the recipient's address.

Whoever sent this to you was hoping (or was aware) that you'd no idea what you're reading. They, firstly, told you to send 0.3 BTC again while you had already sent them before; a transaction which can be verified if you look up a block explorer. They, then, started explaining to you how block chain works falsely (pruning isn't what they've written). Now they repeat to re-send the 0.3 BTC.

Well, don't. Would you mind looking if it's a phishing email? If you're on Gmail click on the email details and check the mailed-by. It's most likely not from blockchain.com.

Yes, the email domain is different from the website domain. Email domain is @ltdblockchain.com, website is blockchain.com. So maybe phishing.

When I search for my transaction ID using the search function on blockchain.com, my deposit shows up, and also shows that it has left the wallet I deposited my 0.3BTC into, into and out of several other wallets, until it gets to a wallet where there are so many transactions that I lose it.

I emailed the phishy representative about this today:

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Hello,

I’ve been looking at the transaction trail of my 0.3BTC deposit on the Blockchain.com search function, I can see my deposit has left the wallet I deposited it to, and been moved into and out of several other wallets, until it is mixed in with a lot of other transactions in another wallet… what is going on?? If my initial deposit failed, why is it able to move into and out of all these wallets?

I would like to see clear evidence that my initial transaction failed, I want to see detailed systemic screenshots, describing errors in detail please.

Regards,
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The reply I got was:

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If I understand correctly, your question is why your 0.3BTC transaction was moved to different wallets.

The reason for that is the reservation of your crypto funds, before you will be able to make a duplicate transaction the funds will be stored on different wallets to avoid sending them to burning address.

That, among what I've told you yesterday, is the reason why we charge customers for 2,000 GBP for address reservation. It requires us to use several different wallets and for each wallet we pay additional fee.

Kind Regards.

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Totally ignored my request for proof.

I’m still not sure if the blockchain.com website I’m looking at, the one where I can see that my deposit arrived in the wallet, is real/legit or not. It seems ok to me… I submitted a support ticket to ask if they could verify my deposit, and if they had a representative by the name I had been told, using the @ltdblockchain email address, and if his communications were legitimate or not, but I have not heard back after two days. But then again, I’ve had terrible customer service from other exchanges too, so this fact alone doesn’t mean they are a scam site…. I think…

I mean, if my deposit is able to move around to different wallets, then SURELY it is/was a perfectly fine transaction in the first place, right?.. if not, it simply wouldn’t move around like that?…

Would my transaction ID show up on any search function on any exchange? Or would the wallet I deposited to only show up specifically on the exchange it belongs to, in this case blockchain.com?
legendary
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Merit: 3878
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For you to understand what missing block means, let me explain how blockchain works.

Blockchain is a system of recording information. So, it's like a ledger system, where every data exchange has a spot in the log. More so, the data exchanges in the system are called transactions. Once the transaction is verified, it gets a place in the ledger system as a block (this is why it is called blockchain).

In the Bitcoin network, each peer maintains a full copy of the ledger (blockchain).

What will happen if a peer loses one of its blocks in the blockchain (e.g. another process on the peer accidentally wiped out the disk area that stores the block)?
For Bitcoin Core, the node maintains a database which has the locations of all blocks on disk. If a block is deleted, then it will notice that the location of a block either does not exist or contains garbage or invalid data. If it does notice that a block is missing (or something is corrupted), it will attempt to rebuild the database using the blocks stored on disk and then download the missing blocks from its peers.

However, blocks can actually be deleted after they have been verified and the local database has updated so that the node knows the block it has just deleted was a valid block. This is called pruning, and with pruning, old, historical blocks can be deleted as they aren't used for anything in normal node operation (except helping new nodes sync).

So how can we correct it, if the blockchain can not recover database of the transaction?

It is very simple, you need to try exactly the same transaction one more time, to exactly the same address, from exactly the same crypto exchange. Old transaction will take information from the new one. The old one will be returned to your crypto exchange and the new one will arrive at the recipient's address.

For more details please feel free to reply here.
The moment I saw this explanation, I was in an impression that it's a scam attempt. It's a BS theory which works when someone is not much experienced in crypto industry. Sorry OP for your loss and good work mocacinno to confirm it and saving OP's 0.3 BTC.

Evan at $43,440 rate 0.3BTC is a lot of money.
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