US justice department charges Chinese with hacking

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Quote from: bitsmichel on May 22, 2014, 07:11:24 PM

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at this point, i am confused and have no idea who the good or bad guy is. maybe there is no good guy, just the guy looking out for his own interests. how can we point the finger at china when we've been monitoring people from all other countries? that'll only add fuel to the fire. china would respond "well, you guys do it too." and it would be a legitimate rebuttal.

yes, this is indeed the case. In fact, the US helped China (and others) with mass surveillance systems. Good/bad guy is only in the movies, in real life there is financial interest and interest of resources.

well, even though i'm american, it seems that they just use the media as an apparatus to convince people that we are the good guys, and they are the baddies.. even though we do the same shit as they do. it's okay that we do bad shit, because you know.. nationalism.

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at this point, i am confused and have no idea who the good or bad guy is. maybe there is no good guy, just the guy looking out for his own interests. how can we point the finger at china when we've been monitoring people from all other countries? that'll only add fuel to the fire. china would respond "well, you guys do it too." and it would be a legitimate rebuttal.

yes, this is indeed the case. In fact, the US helped China (and others) with mass surveillance systems. Good/bad guy is only in the movies, in real life there is financial interest and interest of resources.

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at this point, i am confused and have no idea who the good or bad guy is. maybe there is no good guy, just the guy looking out for his own interests. how can we point the finger at china when we've been monitoring people from all other countries? that'll only add fuel to the fire. china would respond "well, you guys do it too." and it would be a legitimate rebuttal.

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Quote from: Hiraga on May 21, 2014, 01:34:21 PM

You could live on an island without electronics and not be spied on. I think any smartphone has a backdoor so NSA can listen in if it's lying on the table. It's rediculous. But the same is valid for any computer with a microphone/webcam.

US has satellite imagery system and can probably see what you do everyday from the sky if you are important enough.

Yes it looks like google earth but in real time, the only that can save you is a cloudy day or in the night!, hehe

http://www.n2yo.com/

It is google earth with extra information.

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Do they save all the image?

We save everything we can

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Quote from: Benjig on May 22, 2014, 02:47:11 PM

Quote from: fdiini on May 22, 2014, 08:11:31 AM

Quote from: Hiraga on May 21, 2014, 09:34:21 AM

You could live on an island without electronics and not be spied on. I think any smartphone has a backdoor so NSA can listen in if it's lying on the table. It's rediculous. But the same is valid for any computer with a microphone/webcam.

US has satellite imagery system and can probably see what you do everyday from the sky if you are important enough.

Yes it looks like google earth but in real time, the only that can save you is a cloudy day or in the night!, hehe

http://www.n2yo.com/

Do they save all the image?

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Quote from: fdiini on May 22, 2014, 08:11:31 AM

Quote from: Hiraga on May 21, 2014, 09:34:21 AM

You could live on an island without electronics and not be spied on. I think any smartphone has a backdoor so NSA can listen in if it's lying on the table. It's rediculous. But the same is valid for any computer with a microphone/webcam.

US has satellite imagery system and can probably see what you do everyday from the sky if you are important enough.

Yes it looks like google earth but in real time, the only that can save you is a cloudy day or in the night!, hehe

http://www.n2yo.com/

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The US has charged five Chinese army officers with hacking into private-sector American companies in a bid for competitive advantage, in the first cyber-espionage case of its kind.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the alleged breaches were "significant" and demanded "an aggressive response".

US prosecutors say the officers stole trade secrets and internal documents from five companies and a labour union.

China denied the charges and warned the case would harm US-China relations.

Insert something about the pottle and the kettle

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Quote from: Hiraga on May 21, 2014, 09:34:21 AM

You could live on an island without electronics and not be spied on. I think any smartphone has a backdoor so NSA can listen in if it's lying on the table. It's rediculous. But the same is valid for any computer with a microphone/webcam.

US has satellite imagery system and can probably see what you do everyday from the sky if you are important enough.

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The U.S. government is a great example of noise without substance. First they place sanctions on Putin's friends, but not Putin himself. Now they indict people who will never suffer a moment's distress. Why not indict the head of the Commuity party in China? Why indict the soldiers and not Xi Jinping? Or maybe this is what Obama referred to as being "more flexible" after the election. You know: appear to be doing something when actually he's doing nothing.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on May 21, 2014, 08:08:12 AM

Quote from: Hazir on May 21, 2014, 07:59:57 AM

Yes, China is horrible. They don't care about any international copyright law. They copy everything they can and use it like they invented it. They probably stole everything they are accused for and much more. And what we can do about it? Nothing.

What can we do about America spying on us all? Nothing. America probably only knows about the spying because they were spying on the Chinese.

You could live on an island without electronics and not be spied on. I think any smartphone has a backdoor so NSA can listen in if it's lying on the table. It's rediculous. But the same is valid for any computer with a microphone/webcam.

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Wow, Edward snowden said the US was doing this same exact thing to companies like Siemens (a German company), but he was waiting for Greenwald to release the documents after thorough journalistic review

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Quote from: Hazir on May 21, 2014, 07:59:57 AM

Yes, China is horrible. They don't care about any international copyright law. They copy everything they can and use it like they invented it. They probably stole everything they are accused for and much more. And what we can do about it? Nothing.

What can we do about America spying on us all? Nothing. America probably only knows about the spying because they were spying on the Chinese.

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Yes, China is horrible. They don't care about any international copyright law. They copy everything they can and use it like they invented it. They probably stole everything they are accused for and much more. And what we can do about it? Nothing.

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Double standard from the US.

How stupid do they think international community can be?

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They just like to move some attention on this to China to let their own spyprograms look less bad.
Personally I think the NSA is a horrortale.

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Jinping could achieve immortality by spitting on Obama at their next meeting.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on May 20, 2014, 10:54:47 AM

Quote from: commandrix on May 20, 2014, 10:50:31 AM

So China's mad because we caught them stealing our trade secrets. And very likely we won't do much more than slap the wrists of those Chinese officers. Everybody, if you're going to get mad about this, quit buying products that are made in China.

The point is the laughable hypocrisy and double-standards of America. And they won't do shit to the Chinese especially since they wouldn't ever hand them over. All this does is weaken relations between China and the US whilst the rest of the world is just laughing at America for pulling this stunt.

Have to agree here.

Considering what US have done to other countries. This spying incident from China isn't even on the same scale.

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Will they actually be able to extradite them? Don't think so!

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Quote from: commandrix on May 20, 2014, 10:50:31 AM

So China's mad because we caught them stealing our trade secrets. And very likely we won't do much more than slap the wrists of those Chinese officers. Everybody, if you're going to get mad about this, quit buying products that are made in China.

The point is the laughable hypocrisy and double-standards of America. And they won't do shit to the Chinese especially since they wouldn't ever hand them over. All this does is weaken relations between China and the US whilst the rest of the world is just laughing at America for pulling this stunt.

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So China's mad because we caught them stealing our trade secrets. And very likely we won't do much more than slap the wrists of those Chinese officers. Everybody, if you're going to get mad about this, quit buying products that are made in China.

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