Topic: US planning a "Falseflag" attack on Iran? (Read 3035 times)

No, I don't think they are.

If they attack they will just do it with the excuse of Iran having nukes and being evil - no matter the facts.


I DO however think the risk of them attacking is disturbingly high.

America today is acting like early Nazi Germany.

I think a major cyber attack such as bringing down power stations, or even leading to their destruction (especially in the case of nuclear power stations) by overriding control systems, or bringing down the electricity network or bringing down Air traffic control, would certainly fly with public opinion.

I dont think thats gonna fly with public opinion, even in a militaristic society as the US. "Oh no, they defaced my facebook page, lets launch a nuclear attack(*)"

(*) attacking active nuclear installations, is a nuclear attack IMO.

Anyway, I dont think they will do anything to Iran before having toppled Assad in Syria.  Thats clearly where the propaganda is focusing on now.

This threads title is misleading. Quote from first post:


So the attack would be on some US or Israeli assets, like the aircraft carrier mentioned in the first post. So the attack itself would technically not be "against Iran".

It was possibly maybe never meant to?

Stuxnet for sure is something amazing and scary. A new weapon for a new kind of war.
But i don't see how stuxnet will be able to liberate Iranian oppressed oil.

Wow. I'm sure this raises confidence in US produced goods. I suppose that their airplanes will fall out of the sky if we push a button too.

Why worry about a false flag attack on Iran to come?
Try your google on: stuxnet!

SIE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy) have broken your link.
This one worked for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGZ-hTBmUyg&feature=youtu.be

The US and Israil won't invade Iran because they'd loose heavily.  Iran is well prepared for a military conflict although the US could carpet bomb them and launch missile attacks on key targets but they couldn't invade, win, then maintain control.

Amazing documentary.
Thanks for sharing 

Well, information sharing in general.

It doesn't have to files.

Think about it. Homo sapiens (no matter what you may think about it) is a highly social species. That's the main reason for its dominance. Individuals lived in groups and communicated, told each other to work together when hunting, how to make fire, cook, what's dangerous, how to work together to catch an animal. So over time something like a language, something completely artificial was created (children can't simply speak). Then paintings and symbols have been created to communicated which made written language possible. Then stuff like math has been developed and ways to store information in various ways were created. Without communication you couldn't have culture or civilization. You couldn't even tell someone about rules. Humanity always had its biggest progress when a better, more efficient way of communication has been found. Talking (which means a common language), writing (which among other things means archiving information/communication) and other things like the history of paper, the history of printing (not only Gutenberg!) and then telecommunication with telegrams, telephony and computer networks. Without any of these things a modern society is simply impossible.

And if you think about art, which more or less is pure culture. It has always been about using various forms of communication. And if you think about civilized cultures. It has always been about how efficient information can be shared. It's even the same for wars. Philosophy would be impossible.

All of this is sharing and copying data. If you tell someone something he basically gets a copy of things in his brain. He may keep it or not, but it has been copied. Think about epochs in art. The reason things were similar are exactly because people copied. Most of your thoughts are because of something someone else said, showed you, something you read. Every social norm we have is because humanity copies stuff.

Without copying/communication/sharing of information every market would be dominated by a monopoly. Everything you see in the supermarket is a copy. The supermarket itself is a copy of the first market. Think about money. Even here someone had the idea and others copied it.

Hmm, you could maybe go even deeper and think about genetics. Even here it's about sharing information. Reproduction is basically copying your DNA, for humans and other sexual species remixing stuff. If you reduce an individual to its DNA similar twins are even identical copies of each other. With asexual life forms it's exact cloning with (sometimes) errors (mutation). For others it is mostly male and a female copying their DNA (which is the medium this form of information uses) and mixing it with the others. But I guess you all learned that in school.


So yes, file sharing follows the same way cultures work, humans work, life itself works.

I am not sure how serious they were, but sums it up pretty well: http://youtu.be/NGZ-hTBmUyg?hd=1

maybe the US will just claim to have been "cyper-attacked": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_N_M6AlhE&feature=g-all-u&context=G2b6fba6FAAAAAAAAAAA

What? You're saying file-sharing is the basis of humanity? Cool!

When we think about the U.S. economic being liberal we forget the war complex. The U.S. has not only the second biggest army, but the most expensive. This isn't just about 1.5 million soldiers, but also about huge supporting companies, which means mercenaries, logistics, weapon production, etc. In a way that's like the natural way because of the extremely positive economic effect the two world wars, as well as the cold war and and pretty big number of invasions the U.S. did. I think with stuff like atomic bomb tests and maybe even the space program they tried to do things in a more peaceful way.

So in the U.S. you have the problem everything that looks like government spending is called socialism, communism or whatever (evil stuff). That comes from all the deep propaganda and as a way to justify everything (see all the stuff the Freedom of Information legislation revealed, but is unknown by the public, though official).

Still the government needs to be there and has some means of controlling things. Tons of jobs need to be created and if the free market fails to create them (and come on, don't think of it like a dogma. It isn't perfect.) then the government needs to invest money. I mean think about it. If war suddenly ended and everything would be peaceful the U.S. would be the first country to "die", even though they have other nice tricks like USD for oil, etc. I think they also have lots of other economic powers, but I don't think anything could really jump in if there was no need for the military. Also China is pressuring a lot. Everyone with some attentions know that they will replace the U.S. as a super power and they possibly can't even do anything about it, because I think in a war China has a much bigger chance to win these days.

This doesn't mean any of these countries is bad. It's just a historical development. And if they would change it right now a huge crisis could evolve. I mean there is much more behind this. Everyone waits for the other one to show some kind of weakness. This isn't something you can simply turn off. It would be awesome, but also quite utopian.

I am sorry for disillusioning people. It would be great if things were better and I don't know, the U.S. would really be about freedom and peace of France would really be about fraternity and the communist countries would be about people that meet on the same eye level (like in the original idea, stopping the class war). It would be nice if a free market could simply solve all our problems. All these things can't solve anything.

Everything that ever made things better is people who didn't really (even if they maybe count themselves as one of them) care about any of these, but actually worked together to make things better. I mean that's the foundation stone of civilization, but goes even deeper. Humanity emerged as the dominant life form because they worked together. Of course others do too, but we have a great number of thinking individuals that are awesome and communicating (sharing data for all the geeks. ) and reach goals because of that. The position we are now even makes things a lot easier. We created so many tools to help us with all these things. With technology and science we pretty much found a way to take evolution into our own hands. We don't need to, lets say evolve hours brains to telepathy, because we can just phone, send an SMS, email or use VoIP. We don't need to evolve to be faster at telling our children what we know, because there are books.

Well, anyway. I think that's kinda off topic, so I'll shut up.

Of course.   Also takes care of the disposal of the carrier for you.

I'd say everything except the 1st one.It's just how I see it (doesn't mean it's true or false though)

OP is worried that the US will pretend Iran attacked it and use that as an excuse for an invasion.

Step 1, fly plane into WTC.

Step 2 Repeat.

Let's hope so.