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I am inclined to agree with you. Right now there seems to be a belief that whether he is removed or not he will at some point face prosecution over whatever he was up to while he was in office. I am sure various business dealing and so-on will be scrutinised and he a case for beyond reasonable will be made. Once he is no longer in office (either by forceful removal, after losing the election bid for his second term or after completing a second term) I think the things might gain traction.

As for his removal in the coming months, though it is definitely possible is also highly improbable because of the politics about party lines.

Don't know much about the Cuba stuff. but If they discover evidence of a crime thats statute of limitations would pass while he could still be in office (most financial crimes, including tax related are 6 to 10 years I think), the sealed indictment freezes it.  Just gotta convince a grand jury.

No doubt. He had illegal dealings with Cuba but the statute of limitations ran out on that one but I have no doubt there's many more such things.

The can only think of 2 scenarios where they vote to remove Trump, both are very unlikely but not impossible.

A - The life long conservatives who have been horrified by his behavior but remain quiet because he could destroy their career get together and just blind side him without telling Mitch or anyone.  Classic reality television strategy - don't let whoever you're planning on blind siding them so they don't have a chance to throw a tantrum and maybe convince one person to vote differently.

B - They get some witnesses and documents, the trial drags on, Trump gets paranoid about what they're going to say and does something really really stupid like get recorded blackmailing Boltons wife or something.


I think it's very likely there are sealed indictments with his name on them at the SDNY offices 'do not open until Trump is out of office'.  His lawyer is already in prison for crimes that Trump was obvious co-conspirator in, he had his fraud charity shut down in NY, and I'm gonna say they probably discovered multiple other illegal things he did before taking office and are just sitting on them.

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The SNL cold open was pretty hilarious, I expect Trump to dedicate a few of his 100+ tweets tomorrow on it.

Alan Dershowitz Argues for Trump Cold Open - SNL

The chance of him getting thrown out of office is pretty damn slim. But, it all comes down to the public and what they do which is another reason McConnell wants to rush this through. He knows the longer it drags out, the more chance more and more of the public will want him out. Watched a video last night and at the end the guy put up phone numbers of some senators for people to call and demand witnesses. Some of the people were calling their senators. The more this drags out, the more of that will happen.

What I think will be more entertaining is once Trump is out of office. I suspect the knives of the republicans will finally come out and he will also end up in court for a hole host of things and he will no longer be "protected". It's going to make for some fantastic "entertainment".

 

There is still a chance Trump could be removed from office, let us see how this drama plays out.

Maybe the US legal system will say to Trump: You're Fired!

If he makes it to the end of his second term, and someone he despises (any democrat) wins in 2024, I wouldn't put it past him to play the 'nope that election was rigged, I'm not going anywhere' card, which would be so ugly.

I def put being Trump being convicted and removed (or he knows it's coming and resigns),  and Craig Write being vindicated both  in the 0.01 -1% range though.

There is a 100% certainty that Trump will be removed from office.

At the end of his 2nd term.

There's a slightly higher probability than the Craig Wright claim that at that time, the Democrats will have an improved clown show.

Trump has already been impeached.

If you mean removed from office, I'd say there's a slightly higher chance of that happening than Craig Wright proving he's satoshi.

Which has a higher rate of success? Craig Wright and having the keys to the 1.1 million + bitcoins or Donald Trump getting impeached?

At this time it is the most attractive news in the world. History says nothing will happen to him. I think Trump will get rid of the impeachment.

Trump will face trial, that much is certain even if he has hired a show case of legal talent to represent him and for them to try to have the charges dismissed at the preliminary stage.

About what happens next, it is a tough one to call. Most of what any judgement will be based upon what can and cannot be admitted as evidence in a Court of law. I think it will be prudent to wait until a later date when things become clearer about the proceedings before I could comment further.

That does not seem possible, quite the reverse is occurring. It brings Biden's problems all the more to the front of the issues.

I don't think the RNC will have the opportunity to have either of the Bidens under oath after Joe wins the nomination. Also, harming Biden during the primaries may result in the DNC not nominating Biden, and instead nominating someone much less electable.

Keep in mind that Democrats are impeaching Trump to in effect protect Biden from being investigated. The RNC could argue that democrats were trying to protect the lucrative arrangement, that reasonably does not serve US interests, even if not illegal the Bidens have. It may also sway some Democrat Senators who are on the fence to vote to acquit, which would allow Trump to claim he received a bi-partisan vote in his favor in both chambers of congress.   

Turns out this is actually debatable.  Apparently there's precedent from Johnsons Senate Trial (from 1868) where the Chief Justice was tie breaker, not the VP....if it comes down to a 50/50 split (not a crazy long shot) there could be a giant fight...and the chief justice would be at the center of it...what a mess that would be. 

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At this point I think every decision is a relative 'crap shoot'.  Anything could backfire.

I don't see many scenarios where trashing the Bidens would be a net gain at this point in the game though.  Any dirt they've been collecting on Biden would be worth much less before he becomes the actual nominee.

I don't see why the RNC shouldn't be pumping the breaks hard on Biden dirt until he wins the nomination, or even better, October.

I have heard multiple, not-swing Republican Senators say on various cable TV shows that if witnesses are called, that witness rules would be balanced for both sides, meaning each side would get to call the same number of witnesses. If House Democrat managers call two witnesses, Trump's defense team would get to call two witnesses of their choice.

This is important because witnesses Democrats may call would largely be prohibited from giving information due to executive privilege, and even if privilege is waived/defeated, IMO it is a crapshoot that new information damaging to Trump will come to light. To date, the left wing MSM has done a good job of covering for Biden. If Joe and/or Hunter Biden is forced to testify, it could highlight corruption by the Bidens. It may be the case that the Bidens did nothing illegal, but I think Hunter Biden's business relationships would be very strongly frowned upon by mainstream voters. If these business relationships are highlighted, calling witnesses may be more damaging to Democrats than to Trump.   

Articles were delivered to the Senate yesterday, today John Roberts (chief justice of the supreme court, who will act as 'judge' over the trial) swore in all 100 senators.

The Trial starts next Tuesday - I think they are just going to set the rules of the trial then, which could take a day or two?

Some rules we know so far:

- It's going to be 6 days a week
- Senators must be at their desk the whole time
- Senators can't speak to each other, use cell phone or read anything non-trial related while in session (same rules a jury for a criminal trial have to follow).

The big question right now is will Witnesses be called and if so, who?

Dems will surely call for Bolton and Mulvaney and maybe Rudy?
Republicans will surely call for Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Whistle Blower.

From what I understand, the judge will make the call like normal civil/criminal trials.  However, in this case, the Senate (jury) has the power to overule the judge with a simple majority of 51 votes.  The republicans have 53 members.  Tie goes to the republicans (Pence is tie breaker) Mitt Romney has already made it clear he wants witnesses, and confirmed explicitly he'd like to hear from Bolton.  There are a couple other Republicans in purple states up for election in Nov that all eyes will be on.

I need to stop posting when I'm hangover.

2/3 = 66.67%

But they won't get the 2/3.

Also, it would be correct to say "every ELECTED president" since Ford wasn't elected.