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legendary
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This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".
Agree completely. Trump isn't articulate, quite often.
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I absolutely agree with you, Biden and Harris were a terrible choice.

I think it is fairly obvious the anti-Trump protest vote will not be enough to get him out of office because the Democrats should have had a suitable candidate and running mate to pile the pressure on Trump. Unless something changes it seems Trump will be re-elected.

Look at what Michael Moore said about Trump going to win re-election, it all seems to be playing out in his favour: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/michael-moore-donald-trump-repeat-2016-warning



Biden and Harris was a terrible choice. Better would have been a relatively unknown governor, non-commie non-socialist, with few negatives in the closet. But the primaries went the wrong way.
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This is an example of Trump not being articulate. Trump was reserving the right to pursue all available legal actions to ensure that voters are not disenfranchised from Democratic voter fraud.

I would also refer you to Hilary Clinton's statement to Biden advising him to not concede "under any circumstances".
legendary
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You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?
I just copied it from the BBC news website stating what they stated.
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Okay, I'll list the quote and make my point. I apologize if its obvious.

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. .

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."


Really, the question is the disaster. Does it imply that Trump should commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he wins? If the election appears a "draw" and goes into litigation?

My opinion is his answer was straightforward given the ambiguity in the question. So then you get headlines that Trump will not commit to a peaceful transfer of power...
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You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?
I just copied it from the BBC news website stating what they stated.


As a non-American observer, I'm more worried what will happen when he wins again. He haven't secured a second term yet and cities are already burning. Undecided
You seem sure he will win. I am not as sure as you but I think the way things are going in US politics and media it would not be a surprise if Trump was re-elected.


Electoral votes always lean towards the former president as always happens from the previous terms, so the only way for Biden to win this election is for him to have a unsounding victory over Trump, cause if the gap is slim or average-slim, the administration can easily manipulate some votes for it to lean towards them. And that is the sad truth about the "Democratic" society we're living in.
I would say that whether Trump or Biden win it must be an emphatic or resounding victory otherwise the loser will take it to Court based on mail voting irregularities.


I suspect we'll have that massive mandate in favor of Trump, and all the efforts of Democrats to confuse and delay the results and bring in attorney weasels, will not matter.

Republicans are used to having to have a electoral college advantage in excess of the Democrats level of corruption, in order to win an election. This time that corruption is expected to be higher.

The very name of this thread is an example of the much seen Democratic tactic of accusing their opponent of the very thing they are doing. The push for mail in ballots is nothing but an opportunity and an active attempt to delay, obfuscate and create opportunities for litigating the election results. Trump did not do this. Democrats did this. Duhh...
Biden seems unelectable to me because it seems like age has caught up with him and his running mate Harris does not seem to have connected at all with voters on the basis of her being female and/or being a person of colour. This could be a massive victory from Trump but a lot of the reason for his win could simply go down to Democrats selecting the wrong candidate. Even Trump said not long ago that he was not concerned about defeating Biden but he would have a more formidable opponent in Sanders and I think the Democrats just might have handed Trump his re-election by having Biden as their candidate.
legendary
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Well what cannot be denied is this will be a very difficult battle for a winner to be announced unless it is with a massive mandate from the electorate ...

I suspect we'll have that massive mandate in favor of Trump, and all the efforts of Democrats to confuse and delay the results and bring in attorney weasels, will not matter.

Republicans are used to having to have a electoral college advantage in excess of the Democrats level of corruption, in order to win an election. This time that corruption is expected to be higher.

The very name of this thread is an example of the much seen Democratic tactic of accusing their opponent of the very thing they are doing. The push for mail in ballots is nothing but an opportunity and an active attempt to delay, obfuscate and create opportunities for litigating the election results. Trump did not do this. Democrats did this. Duhh...
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Well what cannot be denied is this will be a very difficult battle for a winner to be announced unless it is with a massive mandate from the electorate otherwise both Trump and Biden will dispute the results. This looks like it will get very messy.

If Trump loses the election, that will be a sorry case as he will say 'bye bye' to the presidential seat. USA is not practicing autogracy or semi-democracy, United States is practising democratic system of government. He may only try to manipulate, but if he loses, then his wining counterparty which will be Biden will be the next United State president. Just based on the system of US government, I am not in support of any of them with this write up.
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Sigh.

This really is just not something you want to say. Like shit you can THINK this sort of thing as Trump (I don't agree with it obviously) but you don't say it out loud. Does the Trump campaign team know that Biden is going to use this as a campaign ad now?

Shit you don't even need to sit down and piece together stuff that Trump has done with graphics and such. LITERALLY JUST PLAY HIM SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER TO DEM VOTERS. This'll easily improve voter turnout among them.

Crazy.
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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."



It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

Supreme court rules higher than the executives. and that is given at many points, so our common sense will dictate that, "YES, they will remain unbiased" but for what is happening, there will only be 2 scenarios that we can expect. The court leans toward Biden, or trump, no in-between. The emotional state of America has gone really high, and this was cause by all the ruckus and pandemic happening around it.

It will probably end up in Court but there is no evidence to back up the view that he will stay in power after losing the election. Whoever loses at the ballot box will insist he will win when mailing votes will be counted and that is going to cause a huge problem. Both will claim victory unless one has a resounding overwhelming victory over the other on the night.


Electoral votes always lean towards the former president as always happens from the previous terms, so the only way for Biden to win this election is for him to have a unsounding victory over Trump, cause if the gap is slim or average-slim, the administration can easily manipulate some votes for it to lean towards them. And that is the sad truth about the "Democratic" society we're living in.
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As a non-American observer, I'm more worried what will happen when he wins again. He haven't secured a second term yet and cities are already burning. Undecided
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It will probably end up in Court but there is no evidence to back up the view that he will stay in power after losing the election. Whoever loses at the ballot box will insist he will win when mailing votes will be counted and that is going to cause a huge problem. Both will claim victory unless one has a resounding overwhelming victory over the other on the night.


@JollyGood this is inevitable now Trump is not going to give up, and thanks to the additional judge he’ll possibly reverse the election results if he loses and then continue to stay in power. Also I had written about this possibility in another thread, and day by day I’m getting convinced that he’ll use courts help to stay in power which will definitely hurt the American people’s sentiments.
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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden....

You might want to revise your first sentence.

Since you infer "Trump will not commit to peaceful transfer" based on his response to your first sentence, then do you have to revise your conclusions also?
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It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?
If Trump loses the election, that will be a sorry case as he will say 'bye bye' to the presidential seat. USA is not practicing autogracy or semi-democracy, United States is practising democratic system of government. He may only try to manipulate, but if he loses, then his wining counterparty which will be Biden will be the next United State president. Just based on the system of US government, I am not in support of any of them with this write up.
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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."



It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?

@JollyGood this is inevitable now Trump is not going to give up, and thanks to the additional judge he’ll possibly reverse the election results if he loses and then continue to stay in power. Also I had written about this possibility in another thread, and day by day I’m getting convinced that he’ll use courts help to stay in power which will definitely hurt the American people’s sentiments.

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Also if he were to loose the elections then too he can use his power to appoint a judge till January 2021, so he can appoint the judge post the election results too, and then use the court to reverse the election results, and I know it’s easy to say this and it’s difficult to execute it, but my gut feeling says that this is what he plans to do.

Sources:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-ruth-bader-ginsburgs-death-could-mean-for-2020-and-the-supreme-court/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/18/ruth-bader-ginsburg-supreme-court-faq-explainer
 
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BBC News: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54274115

Mr Trump was asked by a reporter on Wednesday evening if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power "win, lose or draw" to Democrat Joe Biden. The president currently trails his challenger in national opinion polls with 41 days to go until the election.

"I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots," Mr Trump, a Republican, said. "And the ballots are a disaster."

When the journalist countered that "people are rioting", Mr Trump interjected: "Get rid of the ballots, and you'll have a very - you'll have a very peaceful - there won't be a transfer, frankly, there'll be a continuation."



It seems Trump intends to claim undisputed victory if he win the election and he intends to claim foul-play and cheating if he loses. Quite likely it seems Biden will play the same game but Trump is the incumbent whereas Biden is not. Yes this will go to the Supreme Court but how many of Judges will be Republican appointees? How many will be Trump supporters? Will they remain unbiased?
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